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#1051 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 01:24 PM

I'm thinking what he was trying to get at was maybe getting all these locals launced before the deadline is taking up the time/material/money resources that may have otherwise been dedicated to launching national channels, and maybe that is why we aren't seeing as much movement on the national level right now.


Now, now. You are talking actual resource management. I keep trying to bring that up into the conversation and it gets ignored. Well, I won't ignore yours. It is a pretty decent theory overall and could have been a big reason why TCM was in "test" so long.
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#1052 OFFLINE   maartena

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 01:34 PM

I'm thinking what he was trying to get at was maybe getting all these locals launced before the deadline is taking up the time/material/money resources that may have otherwise been dedicated to launching national channels, and maybe that is why we aren't seeing as much movement on the national level right now.


It's very possible. Although I would imagine that putting up 1 CONUS feed is just about as much work as putting up 1 Spot Beam feed, and they seem to set those up with 6 or 7 at a time and launching them. :D

But you are right that it might be a higher priority right now.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 01:48 PM

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Maybe they have all the money and resources that get used to launch channels dedicated to getting the locals up and running that they have to have up by a certain date, and the few CONUS channels that they are ready to launch have been put on the back burner because all of the resources are tied up elsewhere.

For example they could dedicate the time/money/resources to work on launching the Epix Channels now, and make a few more people happy, maybe make some money off them, but by doing so maybe that means they don't get 4 local channels launched by the deadline and they end up getting fines for not having them up that exceed the additional revenue brought in by EPIX. That wouldn't be a good business decision.

Any yeah, maybe TCM was in test so long becuase the people working on launching it got repurposed to launching the locals in LA. Then they might have had some down time waiting on a piece of equipment or something to get the LA locals done so they want back to TCM for a bit and got it launched, then went back to working on the LA channels.

Stuff like that happens all the time, at least it does in my job as a design engineer. I've been working on projects for months and had them to where they were a couple of days away from completion only to be pulled away to work on another project to get it done before a deadline. Then when I hit a point where I was waiting on information from a supplier for the second job I went back and finished the initial project. Could be what happened with TCM.

I'm wondering if that's what's going on with the other channels that have supposedly been up in test mode since April or so.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 01:49 PM

Key word "relevant". That might be very personal.

Some people, for instance, might prefer EPIX more then e.g. BBC America. Everyone's definition of what is relevant to THEM, is different.


you get points for reading between the lines!! yes RELEVANT!!

I dont think anyone in this entire site will ever agree that Shorts was a relevant addition..

Epix & BBC yes even DIY even BET when it was added b4 the last bird flew ...very relevant!!!

Shopping Channels ...not very...

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 01:49 PM

Wake me up when some new basic HD is actually coming to Directv.


I anticipate HDs with Time Warner Cable SportsNet and Time Warner Cable Deportes and Comcast SportsNet Houston. Add to that Pac-12 Network. All are brand-new launches.

For basics, which are mostly assigned to the channel ranges of the 200s and 300s, I think it's so stifling at DirecTV that I'm not encouraged. Crumbs being sprinkled over the last year (AMC HD, in September 2011; truTV HD, March 2012; E! Entertainment Television HD, April 2012; Turner Classic Movies HD, July 2012) lead me to believe that anything more will be of such narrow scope it would be silly to get very excited. And yet, there's a long list of Missing Basics.

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204 Headline News HD
230 DIY Network HD
232 Cooking Channel HD
233 GSN HD
235 Style Network HD
238 Reelz Channel HD
240 Home Shopping Network HD
251 Oxygen HD
253 Lifetime Movie Network HD
260 We TV HD
264 BBC America HD
271 H2 HD
273 TV Guide Network HD
274 Ovation HD
275 QVC HD
279 Oprah Winfrey Network HD
283 Nat Geo Wild HD
285 Investigation Discovery HD
289 Disney Junior HD
294 The Hub HD
295 PBS Kids Sprout HD
301 Nick Jr. HD
304 TV Land HD
313 Jewelry Television HD
328 TV One HD
333 MTV 2 HD
338 gmc HD
339 Fuse HD
345 RFD-TV HD
346 NASA TV HD
350 C-Span HD
351 C-Span 2 HD
353 Bloomberg Television HD
369 Daystar HD
370 EWTN HD
371 The Church Channel HD
372 TBN HD
374 BYU Television HD

404 Galavision HD
559 IFC HD
605 Sportsman Channel HD
606 Outdoor Channel HD


None of this addresses a national Ion Television or the contractual agreement DirecTV has to bring in more screens of Encore. And none of this saying how many, if any, "basics" would come in before the next satellite, D14, gets its launch in 2014. (One may consider it wise to limit the potential number.)

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 01:54 PM

you get points for reading between the lines!! yes RELEVANT!!

I dont think anyone in this entire site will ever agree that Shorts was a relevant addition..

Epix & BBC yes even DIY even BET when it was added b4 the last bird flew ...very relevant!!!

Shopping Channels ...not very...


I find DIY extremely unrelevant personally. Still, eye of the beholder. I like Shorts. The problem with it is the lack of guide data. I don't watch it to stick around to find what is on but if I knew what was on, I would record a lot of stuff. There is a ton of Oscar nominated material that is terrific and it is on Shorts but I cannot find it easily. I have downloaded quite a bit from the On Demand stuff.

So, you are wrong, I consider Shorts relevant and DIY not. Thhhhppppt! :)
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 01:59 PM

For basics, which are mostly assigned to the channel ranges of the 200s and 300s, I think it's so stifling at DirecTV that I'm not encouraged. Crumbs being sprinkled over the last year (AMC HD, in September 2011; truTV HD, March 2012; E! Entertainment Television HD, April 2012; Turner Classic Movies HD, July 2012) lead me to believe that anything more will be of such narrow scope it would be silly to get very excited. And yet, there's a long list of Missing Basics.


As there is a long list of missing anything from any provider. Until HD is so normal that SD is a mere memory, you will not get full HD from anyone.

That list I cut out has a lot of pretty meaningless channels on it for a lot of people. That is not great for those who want them, but that is the way it is. Every provider is struggling with cost and bandwidth and making value judgements on what they provide. Not just DirecTV. Dish has made judgements on RSNs in New York and channels like AMC. Fios is pretty much stuck for bandwidth right now. Comcast is taking DOWN channels as we speak because of bandwidth (and not to add basic, but supposedly to add sports) and is missing a lot of stuff in areas where their systems are old.

Sure there are some providers who have a lot of stuff. But you think they will keep adding? It is unlikely with this economy and with the current technologies.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:13 PM

Nationally in HD; Merely SD on DirecTV…


Do we REALLY have to post these kinds of lists like once a week? :mad:
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:21 PM

I dont think anyone in this entire site will ever agree that Shorts was a relevant addition..

Epix & BBC yes even DIY even BET when it was added b4 the last bird flew ...very relevant!!!

Shopping Channels ...not very...


That is YOUR opinion.

First off, there is about 99.9% more DirecTV customers outside of this site. This site only represents a very small portion of customers, and a very specialized kind of customer at that.

Second, I really can't tell what is relevant to who. Shorts HD has some good stuff, I watched it a bit a few weeks ago. I like some of the World stuff, the international shorts they put up.

So why you might find that Shorts HD is not relevant, others might disagree with you. You are not, and I am not either, the decider on what is, and what isn't relevant.

Finally, something can also be relevant to DirecTV. Perhaps a channel like Shorts HD did not have a lot of demand, but it might have been cheap to get, and it boosted the HD channel count by 1.

But then, my opinion might just not be relevant. :D
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:24 PM

Do we REALLY have to post these kinds of lists like once a week? :mad:


If only...
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:59 PM

I guess i offended the loyal order of the sophisticato's in regards to shorts..I apologize for besmirching the sanctity of that wonderful channel. It truly is an asset to D*'s lineup..and worthy of not being the butt of jokes here on DBS...heh heh

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:10 PM

Ugh, I cant stand Shorts HD. I'd much rather have DIY HD. It's like what HGTV used to be.

Part of the problem with Shorts HD is the generic program listings in the guide. How are you supposed to know what's on? Its a good candidate for HD video on demand only. At least on a VOD screen the titles would be populated more accurately. Then you wouldn't even be wasting any transponder bandwidth on a full time broadcast.

There has been VOD only channels before, we have some too I think, like the Anime Network for example. Comcast had FearNET VOD only long before it became a broadcast network (if it ever did, I don't know I moved out of their territory). I know a lot of providers have some WWE Wrestling on demand too that isn't a real linear broadcast channel. Shorts HD would fit this bill perfectly.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:13 PM

APB101, I like your lists but you should be sending them to DirecTV as frequently as you post them here. WE know the deficiencies. Perhaps they don't... or else they wouldn't have so many deficiencies.

At least many reps plead ignorance as if they never even knew that channel had HD.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:39 PM

APB101, I like your lists but you should be sending them to DirecTV as frequently as you post them here. WE know the deficiencies. Perhaps they don't... or else they wouldn't have so many deficiencies.

At least many reps plead ignorance as if they never even knew that channel had HD.


Don't we have a static list that is kept up to date, so APB's lists are redundant. Not to mention annoying. ;)

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:40 PM

I guess i offended the loyal order of the sophisticato's in regards to shorts..I apologize for besmirching the sanctity of that wonderful channel. It truly is an asset to D*'s lineup..and worthy of not being the butt of jokes here on DBS...heh heh

heh heh


No, you made a value judgement for others. That will always get swiped down around here. Even when I make them about AMC.:nono2:
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:31 PM

Ugh, I cant stand Shorts HD. I'd much rather have DIY HD.


Let's have BOTH! :D

Yeah if I had to choose I would choose DIY Network also. But what is done, is done. They aren't going to just throw Shorts HD out, they probably signed a contract, so lets move on and anticipate the NEXT HD channel. :D
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:59 PM

Let's have BOTH! :D

Yeah if I had to choose I would choose DIY Network also. But what is done, is done. They aren't going to just throw Shorts HD out, they probably signed a contract, so lets move on and anticipate the NEXT HD channel. :D


+1 on the BOTH!

But I'd prefer Shorts over X, Y or Z (whatever channel you, he, and she likes most)

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:17 PM

If DirecTV would take away Shorts HD, to make room for "missing basic," I would appreciate it.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:49 PM

you get points for reading between the lines!! yes RELEVANT!!

I dont think anyone in this entire site will ever agree that Shorts was a relevant addition..

Epix & BBC yes even DIY even BET when it was added b4 the last bird flew ...very relevant!!!

Shopping Channels ...not very...


I like Shorts, so yes it was a relevant addition for me. :D

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:09 PM

I anticipate HDs with Time Warner Cable SportsNet and Time Warner Cable Deportes and Comcast SportsNet Houston. Add to that Pac-12 Network. All are brand-new launches.

For basics, which are mostly assigned to the channel ranges of the 200s and 300s, I think it's so stifling at DirecTV that I'm not encouraged. Crumbs being sprinkled over the last year (AMC HD, in September 2011; truTV HD, March 2012; E! Entertainment Television HD, April 2012; Turner Classic Movies HD, July 2012) lead me to believe that anything more will be of such narrow scope it would be silly to get very excited. And yet, there's a long list of Missing Basics.

Nationally in HD; Merely SD on DirecTV…



List deleted to save space


None of this addresses a national Ion Television or the contractual agreement DirecTV has to bring in more screens of Encore. And none of this saying how many, if any, "basics" would come in before the next satellite, D14, gets its launch in 2014. (One may consider it wise to limit the potential number.)


We can already view these you posted. Why not add a network that is available in HD only? A sports network like MavTV. :)

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:11 PM

If DirecTV would take away Shorts HD, to make room for "missing basic," I would appreciate it.


I think to a large extent Shorts HD was added to enhance the value of the HD Plus Pack. The package gets fairly mixed reviews here (among a group more interested in HD than the average customer) so Directv may be having trouble up-selling the HD Plus Pack.

I'm not sure that Shorts HD in and of itself would drive more people to add the pack, but upping the overall channel count couldn't hurt. Shorts HD was also probably pretty cheap to pick up.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 08:12 PM

Let's have BOTH! :D

Yeah if I had to choose I would choose DIY Network also. But what is done, is done. They aren't going to just throw Shorts HD out, they probably signed a contract, so lets move on and anticipate the NEXT HD channel. :D


I don't care about DIY but, yes, have both. Eventually.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 09:03 PM

I think to a large extent Shorts HD was added to enhance the value of the HD Plus Pack.…


Supposing that's it. Perhaps FEARnet, in HD-Only, would have made for a better selection. But I'm not too confident with that.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 10:51 PM

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 05:49 AM

Epix added to HD Extra pack along with IndiePlex and Retroplex HD maybe could enhance that package.

Shorts HD is just too hard to tell whats on. Fix the guide data and maybe we'd be in business.

I'm in the "more is merrier" camp too... just my opinion is if bandwidth was really super scarce and it came down to Shorts HD or something else... I'd pick that something else and say move Shorts to VOD only. At least on VOD you can tell what the programming is called and get better descriptions of it.

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