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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q3-12 Thread)


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#941 OFFLINE   maartena

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:32 AM

So, nothing about actual negotiations going on, just "our stuff is great! and if Directv doesn't pay whatever we demand for it, it's all their fault."


Well, from the tweets I got from DirecTV and what has been reported in the news as of late, there is reason to think that a carriage agreement will be signed, and it is more about "ironing out the details" than anything else.

But as we have seen with Viacom, one sticking point can make a deal go sour.

On the PAC12, by the way, we have a separate topic going:
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#942 OFFLINE   ep1974

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:21 AM

Re: TCM HD: Does anyone know why Robert Osbournes preview for each movie is not in full screen. It's boxed on all four sides. Just curious.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:27 AM

Re: TCM HD: Does anyone know why Robert Osbournes preview for each movie is not in full screen. It's boxed on all four sides. Just curious.


That usually happens when the following happened:

1) The preview was originally in a widescreen format. (Or, they used widescreen film for the preview).
2) The preview was recorded/stored in a 4:3 format on broadcast tape, which would, on a 4:3 TV, cause a bar on the bottom and top.
3) This tape, in turn, was used to broadcast on TCMHD, causing additional black bars on the sides.

Result: Black box.

Perhaps the preview was old. Used years ago, and just pulled out of the archive to promote that they are broadcasting said movie again.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:28 AM

Re: TCM HD: Does anyone know why Robert Osbournes preview for each movie is not in full screen. It's boxed on all four sides. Just curious.


It was filmed as letterboxed for a 4:3 screen. So it ends up being pillarboxed as well since nothing is HD on TCM HD.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:04 PM

That usually happens when the following happened:

1) The preview was originally in a widescreen format. (Or, they used widescreen film for the preview).
2) The preview was recorded/stored in a 4:3 format on broadcast tape, which would, on a 4:3 TV, cause a bar on the bottom and top.
3) This tape, in turn, was used to broadcast on TCMHD, causing additional black bars on the sides.

Result: Black box.

Perhaps the preview was old. Used years ago, and just pulled out of the archive to promote that they are broadcasting said movie again.


BTW:

While I realize you and others are likely using the term "tape" in a loose sense for recorded video on whatever actual form or medium. To be technically accurate though, isn't virtually everything in a modern broadcast facility today coming off digital video file servers?

Linear tape, even if digital, is a relic of the past I thought.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:08 PM

BTW:

While I realize you and others are likely using the term "tape" in a loose sense for recorded video on whatever actual form or medium. To be technically accurate though, isn't virtually everything in a modern broadcast facility today coming off digital video file servers?

Linear tape is a relic of the past I thought.


Yes, I would imagine that most TV stations have converted their library to a datacenter instead of using tapes. That said, broadcast tapes are still being used, either the BETACAM or DCMPRO format. They are digital already by the way, the information on the tape is digital just like DAT tapes in the audio industry that have been used for about 10 years before the first MP3 was even invented. ;)

It could also very well be that TV stations DO have a tape library still, because they haven't converted everything. I would imagine this is up to the stations to decide.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:24 PM

Yes, I would imagine that most TV stations have converted their library to a datacenter instead of using tapes. That said, broadcast tapes are still being used, either the BETACAM or DCMPRO format. They are digital already by the way, the information on the tape is digital just like DAT tapes in the audio industry that have been used for about 10 years before the first MP3 was even invented. ;)

It could also very well be that TV stations DO have a tape library still, because they haven't converted everything. I would imagine this is up to the stations to decide.


OK;

But thought that any video tape material, even if digital, is rarely if ever aired that way, but is run through "ingest" servers for storage as digitally compressed files in a main storage facility somewhere (typically an "SAN" architecture) where any editing, graphics insertion, etc. or other manipulation of the file takes takes place for long term storage and eventual transfer to "playout" servers for airing at the desired time.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 02:41 PM

OK;

But thought that any video tape material, even if digital, is rarely if ever aired that way, but is run through "ingest" servers for storage as digitally compressed files in a main storage facility somewhere (typically an "SAN" architecture) where any editing, graphics insertion, etc. or other manipulation of the file takes takes place for long term storage and eventual transfer to "playout" servers for airing at the desired time.


I would think most major stations have everything they are going to air stored on a digital medium of some sorts. But if it hasn't aired in years, it might not be on a digital medium yet, and they will digitize it to their data center before they air it. The cost of doing everything at once is probably too high for it to be a smart business decision. Doing it in stages, or "as needed for broadcast" is probably the way they go.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 02:51 PM

That usually happens when the following happened:

1) The preview was originally in a widescreen format. (Or, they used widescreen film for the preview).
2) The preview was recorded/stored in a 4:3 format on broadcast tape, which would, on a 4:3 TV, cause a bar on the bottom and top.
3) This tape, in turn, was used to broadcast on TCMHD, causing additional black bars on the sides.

Result: Black box.

Perhaps the preview was old. Used years ago, and just pulled out of the archive to promote that they are broadcasting said movie again.


The Osborne pieces are not usually reused. Remarkably, he often talks about the movie shown before and/or after the current movie. That would work for festivals that they repeat but his comments are often very topical.

I think they just don't have an HD studio and rather than stretch it, they just leave it be.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 02:55 PM

It scales in. Effective last February (2012) 60% of all markets with at least one channel carried in HD had to offer HD carriage to all channels in the market that broadcast HD (as a primary signal). Prior to February 2012 the threshold was 30%.

(Note "of markets with at least one channel in HD" - if a market has no HD locals carried or no carriage at all it doesn't count against the percentage. For example, if 100 of the 210 markets had at least one channel per market in HD then right now HD carriage would have to be offered to all channels in 60 of those markets. The other 110 markets could remain SD or not carried.)

The agreement with the FCC is only the minimum. Satellite carriers can carry channels beyond the minimum they agreed with the FCC to carry (for example, second HD feeds where a single station transmits two HD channels or non-broadcast HD versions of the SD broadcasts).

The good news is that, within the agreement, it means more HD - even if it is only within local markets. The bad news is that there is no timeline as to when all stations in all markets must be offered HD carriage.


And as I recall cable had different rules, and there's where more strict.

And there will never be a requirement for all channels to go Hi Definition. otherwise they never would have had sd digital specs in the firs place, Unfortunatly.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 03:03 PM

Let's get back to anticipatin!

When do we expect the next Festivus?

Augustivus sounds good to me.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 03:03 PM

Let's get back to anticipatin!

When do we expect the next Festivus?

Augustivus sounds good to me.


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 03:05 PM

"Soon"


Anonivus?
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:31 PM

I've got a feeling....

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:59 PM

I've got a feeling....


I'm hooked on a feeling...
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:59 PM

I've got a feeling....


L'chaim!


That being said, I am not aware of any additions tonight. :confused: ;) :D

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 01:25 AM

I've got a feeling....

...that tonight's gonna be a good time!
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 06:57 AM

Let's get back to anticipatin!

When do we expect the next Festivus?


Little by little. Closest to qualifying as a "Festivus" would be after D14 is successfully launched. Of course, that's wishful thinking. That DirecTV would immediately respond. That, at that point, whatever is nationally available in HD (carried only in SD) finally gets its high def added by DirecTV.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 07:49 AM

Little by little. Closest to qualifying as a "Festivus" would be after D14 is successfully launched. Of course, that's wishful thinking. That DirecTV would immediately respond. That, at that point, whatever is nationally available in HD (carried only in SD) finally gets its high def added by DirecTV.


Festivii are by nature smaller. Maybe D14 will bring a lot but until then, we just have to hope DirecTV gets it in gear and keeps stuff coming.
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 10:20 AM

This is the dawning of the Age of Sportiquarius.
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