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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q3-12 Thread)


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#1801 OFFLINE   Alan Gordon

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 04:03 PM

First of all...

How AWESOME is it that BBCA presents the first four seasons of DW (that were not filmed in HD) in 16x9?

I saw a season four episode that was obviously not HD, but still managed to look fantastic for a program filmed in SD!

Kudos to BBCA for this!

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#1802 OFFLINE   xmguy

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 04:16 PM

Sweet can't wait to see BBC America in HD. I watch Top Gear religiously and love Doctor Who. Does anyone know how to find these "test channels"?

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 04:27 PM

First of all...

How AWESOME is it that BBCA presents the first four seasons of DW (that were not filmed in HD) in 16x9?

I saw a season four episode that was obviously not HD, but still managed to look fantastic for a program filmed in SD!

Kudos to BBCA for this!

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I believe the BBC in the UK did a lot of wide-screen SD prior to HD becoming more commonplace. As I've said many times before, SD can look quite acceptable when it's not having the *%$@# compressed out of it as Directv does.

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#1804 OFFLINE   Alan Gordon

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 04:40 PM

I believe the BBC in the UK did a lot of 16x9 SD prior to HD becoming more commonplace. As I've said many times before, SD can look quite acceptable when it's not having the *%$@# compressed out of it as Directv does.


Yeah, 16:9 content was not uncommon there for a while... though I will state that DW didn't go HD until season 5 (or S4.5 depending upon how you look at it) due to financial reasons.

No, my comment was that some networks will windowbox 16x9 SD programming on their HD channels, and I was very glad to see that BBCA did not do that.

I was hopeful for this due to the very thing you mentioned in your first sentence, but it's great to have confirmation.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 04:41 PM

First of all...

How AWESOME is it that BBCA presents the first four seasons of DW (that were not filmed in HD) in 16x9?

I saw a season four episode that was obviously not HD, but still managed to look fantastic for a program filmed in SD!

Kudos to BBCA for this!

~Alan


Well, to be fair, it wasn't filmed with 480i cameras either.... it was filmed with cameras that support PALPlus, in other words a 16:9 version of PAL, using 576 horizontal lines. And to be even fairer, it was shot using digital cameras that actually utilize 576p and store the result in a digital format, and indeed natively filmed in 16:9 format already.

It is slightly easier to up-convert that to 720p, and that in turn is very easy to broadcast on a 1080i broadcast network.

So yeah, it is not surprising that pre-2009 episodes actually look pretty good. They were already wide screen, filmed in a slightly higher resolution than 480i, making upconverting the materials for HD broadcast a bit easier to do.

I lived in Europe when "PALPlus" was the standard, and I had a tube widescreen TV back then. Europe started converting to widescreen before HD was adopted.

I owned something similar to this:

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We're just lucky that Doctor Who was already shot in 16:9, making it a lot easier for us to see in HD-ish. :D
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 05:31 PM

I'm sick of waiting. I want all of my channels in UHD now. :mad::mad::mad:


Not to mention , whatever happened to the flying cars? I was promised flying cars. With DirecTV in them :D

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 05:37 PM

Well, to be fair, it wasn't filmed with 480i cameras either.... it was filmed with cameras that support PALPlus, in other words a 16:9 version of PAL, using 576 horizontal lines. And to be even fairer, it was shot using digital cameras that actually utilize 576p and store the result in a digital format, and indeed natively filmed in 16:9 format already.

It is slightly easier to up-convert that to 720p, and that in turn is very easy to broadcast on a 1080i broadcast network.

So yeah, it is not surprising that pre-2009 episodes actually look pretty good. They were already wide screen, filmed in a slightly higher resolution than 480i, making upconverting the materials for HD broadcast a bit easier to do.

I lived in Europe when "PALPlus" was the standard, and I had a tube widescreen TV back then. Europe started converting to widescreen before HD was adopted.

I owned something similar to this:

Big tube. Wide screen. Not HD.

We're just lucky that Doctor Who was already shot in 16:9, making it a lot easier for us to see in HD-ish. :D


Just being widescreen and not having to be zoomed makes a by difference in itself. One on the subs near me is 480i widescreen and it looks good for 480i.
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 05:38 PM

Not to mention , whatever happened to the flying cars? I was promised flying cars. With DirecTV in them :D


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 06:02 PM

Nothing to do with it. There has been a general debate for a long time about what is the right format to use for sports. Some have chosen 720P and others 1080i. There are rational arguments for both perspectives.


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 06:06 PM

Thank you. Claiming ESPN is just "too cheap" is hilarious.


One thing that did happen to espn is that they were early adopters. It took a while to reoutfit all their venues, channels, etc, so you see an array of ages of equipment with a variation in quality. I'm sure they will cycle through again.
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 06:12 PM

Give me a channel in HD and the odds are greatly increased that I might watch it.


No kidding. We always hear the argument "that channel doesn't have enough viewers" without taking into account that part of the reason it doesn't, is because there are folks like you and me who won't watch it in SD. I've got about 15 movies from TCMHD queued up on my DVR right now, and that doesn't include the 10 or so I already watched and deleted.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 06:26 PM

Sweet can't wait to see BBC America in HD. I watch Top Gear religiously and love Doctor Who. Does anyone know how to find these "test channels"?


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 06:31 PM

Go to Sixto's house.


OK. I need directions. Lol ;)

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 06:36 PM

Cool. Party tomorrow night at Sixto's house. Who's going?
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 08:13 PM

OK. I need directions. Lol ;)


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 10:00 PM

One thing that did happen to espn is that they were early adopters. It took a while to reoutfit all their venues, channels, etc, so you see an array of ages of equipment with a variation in quality. I'm sure they will cycle through again.


I would be curious as to how many of their productions were "filmed" by ESPN crews. I have been to sporting events (MLS soccer, ok those are mostly RSN) where it looks like the crew is a local(ish) contract crew. I can't imagine ESPN would fly a production crew out to the Little League World Series preliminaries.

Anyhow, even if they are relying on the local ABC affiliate for these games, it would seem that there would be quite a bit of variability in production quality, not to mention resolutions.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 10:48 PM

Head down to 99c, skip over to 103ca, next over to 103cb and you have arrived.:)


I'm keeping that one. That's a great tag line. :)

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 10:54 PM

I wish the HR24 had this "glitch" of being able to view the testing HD channels. I did a search as said by a member here, alas nothing.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 11:52 PM

I agree. There is little difference between 720p and 1080i in terms of picture quality, and 720p is better for fast movement.


It's obvious you haven't seen a FOX NFL broadcast then, because CBS's 1080i blows away FOX's 720p broadcasts any day of the week!

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 11:57 PM

I agree. There is little difference between 720p and 1080i in terms of picture quality, and 720p is better for fast movement. ABC and ESPN are 720P and that is appropriate given their priority is live sports. While the Olympics are broadcast on NBC in 1080i, the strobing of the runners' legs is distracting on my 55" plasma and almost unwatchable on my 42" LED.


There is a big difference in quality of 720p vs 1080i if you have a quality TV. I have had no issues at all with the 1080i NBC Olympic feed. It is some of the highest quality sports programming I have ever seen on my TV. (LG 47" LCD)

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 12:54 AM

It's obvious you haven't seen a FOX NFL broadcast then, because CBS's 1080i blows away FOX's 720p broadcasts any day of the week!


So does NBC's, but I submit the differences are more related to other factors than to the differences between those formats. Other factors include: camera quality. Skill in camera use and placement. Initial compression. Transmission quality. Secondary or tertiary compression. Quality of TV monitor, esp. its ability to display each format.
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 03:53 AM

Or as soon as you can get an HR 34.

That's not going to happen anytime soon. No attractive deals out there for me. ;)
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 05:50 AM

Part of the master (not The Master) plan.

BBCA gives us a Tardis in HD.

Timey Wimey.


We don't need the Drums or the Toclafane again. The Doctor can get HD even at the event horizon of a super nova. :).

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 06:09 AM

Not to get into this again, but I wanted to add to this.

There is a big difference in quality of 720p vs 1080i if you have a quality TV. I have had no issues at all with the 1080i NBC Olympic feed. It is some of the highest quality sports programming I have ever seen on my TV. (LG 47" LCD)


Again, it really depends on your source.

I've noticed recently a decrease in the PQ of my local NBC affiliate. I had every intention of posting a report about it in the LOCAL ISSUES thread, but I decided to check my OTA signal first, and I saw similar results. I've contacted my local NBC affiliate and am awaiting verification, but I think they've given more bandwidth to the ABC sub-channel as I believe it's looking sharper than it was previously.

So... the 1080i NBC Olympic feed is less than impressive here.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 06:22 AM

Cool. Party tomorrow night at Sixto's house. Who's going?


I'll bring a case of good beer, a bottle of grey goose, and some killer Creole Shrimp Dip.

Id love to see how these test channels work.




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