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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q3-12 Thread)


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#1701 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 05:43 PM

1920x1080
1280x720

Yes, a lot of stuff can make the differences in those numbers mean less, but they are still there.

Depending upon many factors, one might not be able to notice the difference, but many of us can.

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And that is what convinces everyone. Throw away progressive versus interlace. Just look at those number. Sorry. Not buying it. People believe what they want to. I've read for years how CBS has such great HD based on the 1080i theory yet I watch nfl games from the sources via Sunday ticket and there is no correlation between the network and the PQ.

Watch a live game on CBS sports network. After you throw up tell me that 1080 is the big factor.
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#1702 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 05:44 PM

They are not beliefs, they are facts.


Yeah sure. Like the fact that you didn't even know what CBS broadcasts in? That you used as evidence?
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#1703 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 05:45 PM

Anyway. This is worse than arguing religion or news channels. Let's end it now. If you hate 720p don't watch it. If you don't, watch it. Peace.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 05:47 PM

Yeah sure. Like the fact that you didn't even know what CBS broadcasts in? That you used as evidence?


Like I said, the quality of CBS I was talking about had nothing to do with 720p vs 1080i. I was thinking it was 1080i but wasn't certain, and didn't want to look it up, so sue me. So tell me how 720p is better than 1080i exactly, and don't give me any progressive signal crap.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 05:49 PM

Flashpoint is firstrun, although this is the final season.


It's all repeats right now, the new season hasn't started yet has it? They have rights to broadcast every episode and have been for about 9 months.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 05:50 PM

After the initial burst of new HD when D12 first launched, things quickly started looking quite dire. Much of the capacity was dedicated to "push" channels and a big chunk of the additions were to the premium movie services. New HD is great, but it was mainly focused on a fairly particular segment of the customer base.

Then word followed that D14 would be launched even later than expected, making it appear that we'd have to wait even longer for lots more new HD. Adding in the noises Directv was making about challenging contract negotiations and the possibility of some channels getting dropped, things were really looking bad.

It was only recently that we began to get word of the new tech that would allow 6 channels per transponder, greatly expanding the capacity of D12. Now, the hope many of us had for D12 to really blow the doors off of HD upgrades may finally be coming true.

There's still the issue of managing the capacity for the next 18-24 months until D14 gets here and all the new sports programmers that want to get on board. But maybe, just maybe, there's room for everyone to get at least some of what they want in the next year or two - a few more premiums, more sports, more basics, etc, etc.


Just to be clear, the new six per transponder affects d10 and d11and possible the space ways too. ;)

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 05:51 PM

And that is what convinces everyone. Throw away progressive versus interlace. Just look at those number. Sorry. Not buying it. People believe what they want to. I've read for years how CBS has such great HD based on the 1080i theory yet I watch nfl games from the sources via Sunday ticket and there is no correlation between the network and the PQ.

Watch a live game on CBS sports network. After you throw up tell me that 1080 is the big factor.


Sporting events (in particular) can be problematic for the 1080 resolution given the amount of bandwidth given to the channel. That's not the fault of the resolution though...

Your argument about sub-channels is another valid point. My local NBC hasn't looked as good lately, and at first I assumed it was an issue with DirecTV's feed until I checked the OTA version and noticed it was the same. My assumption is that perhaps they have given more bandwidth to their SD ABC affiliate on their sub-channel... though I have not spoken to them to verify.

However, a proper 1080i/p feed versus a proper 720p feed is miles apart in quality.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 05:53 PM

The CW feeds are DNS plus locals, the Ion feeds are basics plus locals. There is a difference, but yeah, the CW feeds wouldn't cover as many people as Ion even though, as I stated, I believe The CW DNS feeds are available in more local markets than the Ion feeds, the size of the markets are far smaller.

As for your second paragraph, there are multiple large markets (like NYC) that actually has their local Ion available in SD, so while the population of those larger markets adds up, the actual number of markets is small. However, unlike the CW DNS feeds, EVERYBODY gets Ion from DirecTV (Ion is in the lowest base packages).

That being said, I think CW HD-DNS feeds should not be discounted as unworthy. They have far more original programming than Ion, and they can be far more expensive for those who subscribed to them as DNS feeds (like me), and the addition would amp up the (HD) LiL count in many smaller markets where the LiL count is smaller than the bigger cities.

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I would like to see CWeHD or CWwHD on my EPG! I do wish the CW DNS channels were out of NY & LA like the other DNS networks. I hope they add CW HD.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 05:54 PM

I would like to see CWeHD or CWwHD on my EPG! I do wish the CW DNS channels were out of NY & LA like the other DNS networks. I hope they add CW HD.


Thankfully my local CW feed has been in HD since 2009.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 06:03 PM

Anyway. This is worse than arguing religion or news channels. Let's end it now. If you hate 720p don't watch it. If you don't, watch it. Peace.


Nobody is arguing that 720p is bad and that we won't watch it...

With the recent news that my market's CBS affiliate will be launching CW in HD next year, I started crossing my fingers and toes (they will be sore by the time DirecTV hopefully launches it).

With the recent realization that they will most likely do this by downconverting CBS and The CW to 720p, my first thought was that I hope they will continue to offer DirecTV the CBS 1080i feed via fiber, and my second thought was how I wished I could receive their OTA signal in case DirecTV doesn't add them in 1080i from the start. I'd gladly take The CW in 720p over 480i, but I'll continue to hold out hope for DirecTV offering it in 1080i.

I had forgotten that Ion was 720p. I'm sad that it's not 1080i, but I'm still looking forward to having it.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 06:03 PM

However, a proper 1080i/p feed versus a proper 720p feed is miles apart in quality.

~Alan


Wait. Can't let this go. Who the heck was talking about 1080p?
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 06:14 PM

Wait. Can't let this go. Who the heck was talking about 1080p?


We were discussing 1280x720 resolution versus 1920x1080 resolution.

I've never seen a 720i picture, but I've seen 1080i/p pictures.

~Alan

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 06:18 PM

We were discussing 1280x720 resolution versus 1920x1080 resolution.

I've never seen a 720i picture, but I've seen 1080i/p pictures.

~Alan


We were discussing broadcast channels. I've never seen one in 1080p.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 06:59 PM

By the way, has Hoosier come around yet to make his traditional "You see how much better DirecTV is than Dish Networks with these new channels" preach? :D


ROFLMAO!!!
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:02 PM

So is saying HLN has fake reporters. Dr Drew is a real doctor. Nancy Grace was a real prosecutor. If you want "serious" news, watch CNN.


Staying out of the Cable news debate (Right versus left) but God Help us when Dr. Drew and Nancy Grace are held up for anything other than contempt.


CNN has some decent programming and while Drew and Grace may hold degrees in their field neither are "Serious" Journalists.

Both "personalities" at every stop of their respective Media careers have built their names by pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Nancy Grace in Particular.

Nothing more than a "shrill harpy"

Getting back on thread topic , glad to see the upcoming Channels having the HD version added.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:10 PM

I just did a little cleanup of posts that were leading in a political direction. Let's make sure we don't go down that road.

Back to anticipating. :)

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:13 PM

Good getting to far out.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:18 PM

Thanks Directv for the new basic HD channels. Keep 'em coming! :-)
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:20 PM

From what I understand, there is a currently present bug in HR34 equipment that allows people to see the feeds that are in test. Not sure how long this will last, they will probably eventually fix this bug.


Another factor. Your local channel. Do they use sub channels or not. Too many factors in PQ to just denounce 720p as the main factor.


This is only true if Directv picks up the channel ota. Many are fiber fed and are full bandwidth regardless of ota subchannels.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:32 PM

Just curious....

I saw this as part of the Wikipedia article on BBC World News, the 24/7 service:

"In October 2011, a high definition feed of BBC World News showed up on Galaxy 13 in the United States.[6] The channel is speculated for launch in high definition in 2012."

Does anyone know if the HD launch mentioned has happened? I thought they were still only SD on the unfortunately few systems that carry them.

If they're available in HD, I want BBC World News HD! They would be a great addition to Directv's 24/7 news lineup which at the moment leaves a lot to be desired.
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