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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q3-12 Thread)


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#1721 OFFLINE   TheRatPatrol

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:37 PM

This thread is rocking now! :D

Tonyd79, maartena, Graham Norton in HD. SWEET! ;)

I'm very happy with these additions.

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#1722 OFFLINE   jdspencer

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:38 PM

I have DirecTV delivered locals. I can also get them OTA. The CW just went HD OTA but not yet on DirecTV. What's interesting is that The CW is on a sub channels along with our CBS affiliate. Both being 1080i. Hopefully, DirecTV will change to HD for The CW for us. But, if not I have the OTA.

The other combination we have is that our ABC affiliate carries our NBC affiliate on sub channels. Both of these are 720p.

No local ION here.
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#1723 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:59 PM

I have DirecTV delivered locals. I can also get them OTA. The CW just went HD OTA but not yet on DirecTV. What's interesting is that The CW is on a sub channels along with our CBS affiliate. Both being 1080i. Hopefully, DirecTV will change to HD for The CW for us. But, if not I have the OTA.

The other combination we have is that our ABC affiliate carries our NBC affiliate on sub channels. Both of these are 720p.

No local ION here.


Wow. Didn't realize Binghamton had that many shared channels. I grew up in Hazleton, Pa and we often got channel 12 when the atmospheric conditions were right. I remember watching Broome County Duster games on it.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:03 PM

I refuse to unpack my festivus pole until we have Pac12 and DIY in HD.....when that happens I will unpack the pole, air my grievances, and even celebrate by eating the tops of muffins!!!!

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:05 PM

ESPN is one of the best-funded operations around. I can't believe that budget is driving them holding on to 720p.

Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled thread. . .


There is thought among many sports broadcasters the progressive scan provides for a better sports action picture and because of that they stay at 720p.

#1726 OFFLINE   Alan Gordon

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:09 PM

Just curious....

I saw this as part of the Wikipedia article on BBC World News, the 24/7 service:

"In October 2011, a high definition feed of BBC World News showed up on Galaxy 13 in the United States.[6] The channel is speculated for launch in high definition in 2012."

Does anyone know if the HD launch mentioned has happened? I thought they were still only SD on the unfortunately few systems that carry them.

If they're available in HD, I want BBC World News HD! They would be a great addition to Directv's 24/7 news lineup which at the moment leaves a lot to be desired.


Supposedly, it has already launched. I don't know of any carriers though...

I have DirecTV delivered locals. I can also get them OTA. The CW just went HD OTA but not yet on DirecTV. What's interesting is that The CW is on a sub channels along with our CBS affiliate. Both being 1080i. Hopefully, DirecTV will change to HD for The CW for us. But, if not I have the OTA.

The other combination we have is that our ABC affiliate carries our NBC affiliate on sub channels. Both of these are 720p.

No local ION here.


Wow! Binghamton shares a lot in common with Albany, GA. The CW affiliate is the second sub-channel on our CBS (MyNetworkTV is the first), and our ABC is a sub-channel of our NBC... though ABC is 480i only on the sub-channel.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:31 PM

There is thought among many sports broadcasters the progressive scan provides for a better sports action picture and because of that they stay at 720p.


I still say that's a load of crap. Lower quality at progressive signal is going to appear to have just as much motion blur as a 1080i signal.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:55 PM

I still say that's a load of crap. Lower quality at progressive signal is going to appear to have just as much motion blur as a 1080i signal.


I agree. ESPN just doesn't want to put the financial investment into broadcasting better HD picture quality. They should be at the forefront
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 09:10 PM

Yawn. It is not 720p versus 1080i as much as the quality of the equipment itself and the production and the bandwidth. And your TV. Some TVs do a great job with 1080i. Some with 720p. All except pure native displays convert. So you are all seeing the results of the conversion, not the true signal. I've seen crap and great picture on espn/abc. I've seen crap and great picture on CBS (supposedly the king of 1080i).


THANK you TonyD!

In my own market this is excellently demonstrated. We have one 720p commercial station, and three others at 1080i. The 720p regularly blows away the picture quality on one of the 1080i stations, simply because that particular 1080i is poorly set up. One other 1080i is adequate, almost if not equal to the 720p, and the other 1080i is its equal, or better.

And let's NOT ever, ever again, use the term 1080i/p, shall we? There's no such thing. 1080p is not used for OTA ATSC broadcast because it has a helluva lot more information than any 1080i signal. The numbers of lines on the screen at the same time aren't even the same.

ABC did extensive testing when the FCC was screwing around with the standard years ago. It's conclusion was that 720p was simply superior for fast motion, such as sports. Likewise, NASCAR was one reason that Fox chose 720p. NBC and CBS chose 1080i as they felt it was better for film and normal entertainment programming. This info comes from a number of engineers I met at NAB long before any of us could purchase modern 16X9 sets.

(Actually, Murdoch's original plan was to go 480i on ALL of his stations and run each as a four channel multicast. But pressure from certain members of Congress and the FCC forced him into the HD world.)

Apologies to the thread for this digression from the now-wonderful topic of how many basic HD channels DirecTV will be shortly adding. But as someone who's been in the business since Saticon studio cameras and 16mm film, I just couldn't let it go.

The bottom line is simple...it really doesn't matter what the specs of a facility are, be they 720p or 1080i. You have to have a great incoming signal (all the four networks do) and you have to properly process it (a LOT of local stations don't) to get the high quality of video that ATSC is capable of producing. And hats off to Direct for mucking around with the HD signals, both local as well as national, as little as possible.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 09:30 PM

Wow. Didn't realize Binghamton had that many shared channels. I grew up in Hazleton, Pa and we often got channel 12 when the atmospheric conditions were right. I remember watching Broome County Duster games on it.

There's another shared one as well. That's MyNetwork on a subchannel with Fox. But it's SD. And of course, there are the PBS ones, but almost all cities have them.

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Wow! Binghampton shares a lot in common with Albany, GA. The CW affiliate is the second sub-channel on our CBS (MyNetworkTV is the first), and our ABC is a sub-channel of our NBC... though ABC is 480i only on the sub-channel.

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Edited by jdspencer, 08 August 2012 - 09:37 PM.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 09:57 PM

There's no "p" in Binghamton! We aren't part of the Hamptons. :)


I actually know that, but apparently my fingers must have gotten momentarily confused... :)

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:09 PM

I agree. ESPN just doesn't want to put the financial investment into broadcasting better HD picture quality. They should be at the forefront


Nothing to do with it. There has been a general debate for a long time about what is the right format to use for sports. Some have chosen 720P and others 1080i. There are rational arguments for both perspectives.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:10 PM

In my own market this is excellently demonstrated. We have one 720p commercial station, and three others at 1080i. The 720p regularly blows away the picture quality on one of the 1080i stations, simply because that particular 1080i is poorly set up. One other 1080i is adequate, almost if not equal to the 720p, and the other 1080i is its equal, or better.


Your own market is unimportant to the discussion.

Nobody is saying that broadcasters can't screw up 1080i. It happens frequently, but a good quality 1080i picture trumps a 720p one. There is no arguing that fact. It simply is...

And let's NOT ever, ever again, use the term 1080i/p, shall we? There's no such thing. 1080p is not used for OTA ATSC broadcast because it has a helluva lot more information than any 1080i signal. The numbers of lines on the screen at the same time aren't even the same.


No, but DirecTV does offer some 1080p programming with PPV and VOD. I do not see where you got the impression that we were solely discussing OTA ATSC broadcasting.

ABC did extensive testing when the FCC was screwing around with the standard years ago. It's conclusion was that 720p was simply superior for fast motion, such as sports. Likewise, NASCAR was one reason that Fox chose 720p. NBC and CBS chose 1080i as they felt it was better for film and normal entertainment programming. This info comes from a number of engineers I met at NAB long before any of us could purchase modern 16X9 sets.

(Actually, Murdoch's original plan was to go 480i on ALL of his stations and run each as a four channel multicast. But pressure from certain members of Congress and the FCC forced him into the HD world.)


Yep...

I didn't hear it from the experts first hand, but I've read the same things multiple times as well (other than the tidbit about Congress and the FCC which I don't believe is correct).

The bottom line is simple...it really doesn't matter what the specs of a facility are, be they 720p or 1080i. You have to have a great incoming signal (all the four networks do) and you have to properly process it (a LOT of local stations don't) to get the high quality of video that ATSC is capable of producing. And hats off to Direct for mucking around with the HD signals, both local as well as national, as little as possible.


As I said, nobody is arguing that it comes down to what is done with the signal as to the extent of the difference, but a good quality 1080i signal will always be superior to 720p. I simply cannot understand how a person (with decent eyesight) can look and not tell the difference...

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:38 PM

Nothing to do with it. There has been a general debate for a long time about what is the right format to use for sports. Some have chosen 720P and others 1080i. There are rational arguments for both perspectives.


I see your point. I just get frustrated with the inconsistency of their HD quality. Some games or live events look very good and others look average or less. They have the financial wherewithal to have top notch HD equipment (cameras, etc....) to ensure that every broadcast is of the highest HD quality that is expected of them as being the "worldwide leader in sports".
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 12:05 AM

This is a funny thread ... I really do chuckle at times ...

We want xxx, DirecTV sucks to not have xxx, man if they only had xxx.

xxx gets announced.


DirecTV can add as much XXX as it wants. More porn!!! :dance01:

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 02:40 AM

I agree. ESPN just doesn't want to put the financial investment into broadcasting better HD picture quality. They should be at the forefront


Thought I read their newest studios where all 1080p. So I wouldn't say they don't want to spend the money. I'd say they are picking when to spend it.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 02:46 AM

Your own market is unimportant to the discussion.

Nobody is saying that broadcasters can't screw up 1080i. It happens frequently, but a good quality 1080i picture trumps a 720p one. There is no arguing that fact. It simply is...

No, but DirecTV does offer some 1080p programming with PPV and VOD. I do not see where you got the impression that we were solely discussing OTA ATSC broadcasting.

Yep...

I didn't hear it from the experts first hand, but I've read the same things multiple times as well (other than the tidbit about Congress and the FCC which I don't believe is correct).

As I said, nobody is arguing that it comes down to what is done with the signal as to the extent of the difference, but a good quality 1080i signal will always be superior to 720p. I simply cannot understand how a person (with decent eyesight) can look and not tell the difference...

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I think the key is to first get everyone to create top notch quality signals in the first place. Then we can discuss moving them to all 1080p which is where they should all be IMHO on DirecTV.

I have seen some incredible hd quality in both formats and unfortunately what I have seen when hd was first hitting was better quality than most of what's on today regardless of format. That's what bugs me. I know they could do so much better!

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 03:06 AM

Well ... whether you prefer 720p or not more is coming;

Just picked up the test feed for NGWHD and its in 720p.

So thats;

Disney Jr. -- 720p
ION East -- 720p
Nat Geo Wild -- 720p
BBC America -- 1080i

And I guess beIN Sports will continue to be in 1080i as a replacement for GOLTV HD

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 04:08 AM

Upconverted, 720p, or 1080i beats 480i anytime. ;)

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 05:49 AM

So are people who don't like 720p saying the glass is half empty? No, it's 7/8 full.

This reminds me of the Christmas Day temper tantrum I had at eight years old when I discovered Santa had only given me four of the new switches I needed for my train set. For the layout I wanted to build, I needed six. I was told to go to my room and hope that Santa didn't come back to take all of the switches away.

720p is an HD standard and a damn good one. I've seen stunning Monday Night Football broadcasts in 720p. Another HD standard is Dolby Digital 2.0. Are you going to stop watching the broadcast of a sporting event you want to see just because there are no surround channels?
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