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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q3-12 Thread)


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#1821 OFFLINE   Laxguy

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 12:54 AM

It's obvious you haven't seen a FOX NFL broadcast then, because CBS's 1080i blows away FOX's 720p broadcasts any day of the week!


So does NBC's, but I submit the differences are more related to other factors than to the differences between those formats. Other factors include: camera quality. Skill in camera use and placement. Initial compression. Transmission quality. Secondary or tertiary compression. Quality of TV monitor, esp. its ability to display each format.
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#1822 OFFLINE   Jon J

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 03:53 AM

Or as soon as you can get an HR 34.

That's not going to happen anytime soon. No attractive deals out there for me. ;)
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 05:50 AM

Part of the master (not The Master) plan.

BBCA gives us a Tardis in HD.

Timey Wimey.


We don't need the Drums or the Toclafane again. The Doctor can get HD even at the event horizon of a super nova. :).
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 06:09 AM

Not to get into this again, but I wanted to add to this.

There is a big difference in quality of 720p vs 1080i if you have a quality TV. I have had no issues at all with the 1080i NBC Olympic feed. It is some of the highest quality sports programming I have ever seen on my TV. (LG 47" LCD)


Again, it really depends on your source.

I've noticed recently a decrease in the PQ of my local NBC affiliate. I had every intention of posting a report about it in the LOCAL ISSUES thread, but I decided to check my OTA signal first, and I saw similar results. I've contacted my local NBC affiliate and am awaiting verification, but I think they've given more bandwidth to the ABC sub-channel as I believe it's looking sharper than it was previously.

So... the 1080i NBC Olympic feed is less than impressive here.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 06:22 AM

Cool. Party tomorrow night at Sixto's house. Who's going?


I'll bring a case of good beer, a bottle of grey goose, and some killer Creole Shrimp Dip.

Id love to see how these test channels work.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 07:37 AM

Directv doesnt control the format the channels broadcast in. Some do 1080i. Others do 720p. So who exactly are you mad at?

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 07:45 AM

It's obvious you haven't seen a FOX NFL broadcast then, because CBS's 1080i blows away FOX's 720p broadcasts any day of the week!


However, Fox's Saturday night college football broadcasts on FX last season, when they were the only game they were carrying and didn't have to split resources, is one of the most beautiful things you'll ever see.

...and they gave you Gus Johnson for free! :D

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 07:48 AM

Cool. Party tomorrow night at Sixto's house. Who's going?


I don't think Sixto can see the actual channel play on his TV, he just has a satellite card in his computer and software that allows him to see changes on the satellites. So if you are wanting to look at a bunch of numbers.... fine. :D
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 07:58 AM

I don't think Sixto can see the actual channel play on his TV, he just has a satellite card in his computer and software that allows him to see changes on the satellites. So if you are wanting to look at a bunch of numbers.... fine. :D


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Posted 10 August 2012 - 08:29 AM

So does NBC's, but I submit the differences are more related to other factors than to the differences between those formats. Other factors include: camera quality. Skill in camera use and placement. Initial compression. Transmission quality. Secondary or tertiary compression. Quality of TV monitor, esp. its ability to display each format.


Let us all perpetuate the myth of CBS PQ superiority. They do quite well when they have one game but watching a mix if CBS and Fox games on Sunday Ticket has disproven the myth to me. However, when Fox is bad, they are horrible. Plus, CBS has to get big demerits for that sham if HD they put on CBS sports channel. Yuck. Yuck. Yuck. Almost as bad as the mountain was.

As for NBC, there were a ton of complaints on picture breakdown for at least their first Sunday night season. They got better but still not perfect.

But let us all believe in the Internet myths.
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 08:51 AM

Are you to believe these new HD channels will be live tomorrow?

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 08:55 AM

My points were about the factors that might mitigate the superiority of one broadcast over another, not comparing network vs. network.

With the right set, all things being equal (which they never are fully), I believe 1080i brings a better picture than 720p, but not a vastly better one.
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 09:13 AM

My points were about the factors that might mitigate the superiority of one broadcast over another, not comparing network vs. network.

With the right set, all things being equal (which they never are fully), I believe 1080i brings a better picture than 720p, but not a vastly better one.


Didn't mean to pick on you. Yours was just latest post. I've given up on the quasi-religious 1080i theory. I am watching right now a very realistic looking LL World Series on espn after watching a bunch of motion artifacts on the Olympics.
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 09:16 AM

Are you to believe these new HD channels will be live tomorrow?


I think the earliest date is going to be next Wed the 15th for the channels to go live.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 09:31 AM

I have been reading this board for ages. It would seem the rash of new HD follows the rhythm of marketing initiatives Directv has employed over the years. Sunday Ticket is the biggest marketing push every year. In the past when we had a new satellite the HD was timed perfectly for the big money spent on advertising during the early part of NFL season. The renewal of retransmission rights and the sixth HD feed on a transponder are two big reasons, but the timing fits the usual calendar.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 09:31 AM

Which would be fine for the start of Copper on BBCA which is 8/18.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 09:34 AM

Are you to believe these new HD channels will be live tomorrow?


They generally don't launch anything over the weekend, so I would imagine they won't be.

My guess is Wednesday, but it has been done on a Monday before. It has also been done on a Friday, but since it didn't go live today, it will be next week some time.

Or maybe later, we just don't know for sure. My guess is still next Wednesday.
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 09:43 AM

And, of course, TCM, the latest add, was Thursday but that was an odd duck in many ways. I think mostly because of vacations around the fourth of July.
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 10:09 AM

With the right set, all things being equal (which they never are fully), I believe 1080i brings a better picture than 720p, but not a vastly better one.


If you think it is more important to watch sweat drip down the pitcher's face as he gets the signal from his catcher, rather than his slider headed towards the plate.
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 10:13 AM

If you think it is more important to watch sweat drip down the pitcher's face as he gets the signal from his catcher, rather than his slider headed towards the plate.


Arrrgh. That is what they have done. Closer close ups because of the clarity. I'd rather see more of the game as if I were there.

I was sold on HD sports the day I was waiting for a car stereo install and watched a Delaware football game in HD shot as if from the seats. Saw every player on the field at the snap of the ball and could see the play developing. Closer shots were only for replays. It was amazing. But the stupid put the viewer in the jock strap mentality wastes what HD and widescreen does so well.
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