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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q3-12 Thread)


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#2326 OFFLINE   maartena

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 01:15 PM

Anything official as to why IONE HD hasn't shown up?


Contract issues. Someone in this thread called ION and they told him the contract simply wasn't signed yet. I guess it is a case of the technology being ready faster than the legal track.

We will probably get it soon.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 01:18 PM

the way I see it Basic is the lowest cost package of channels. from any provider. I have basic cable as well as satellite TV. Basic cable is mainly all the NYC locals. There are a few others but mainly junk.


By your definition, then, to be considered "basic" it must be in the Entertainment package and not require special equipment. Using your definition, and not counting the west feeds where the east feed is already in HD, the only basic channels left that are not HD are:

BYU
Bloombert
CNBC World
CSPAN1
CSPAN2
Christian Television Network
Church Channel
Daystar
EWTN
GOD TV
Galavision
Gospel Music Channel
Headline News
Home Shopping Network
INSP
ION (which will be in HD soon)
Investigation Discovery
Jewelry Television
Lifetime Movie Network
LinkTV
MTV2
NRB
Nick Jr
Nickelodeon
OWN
Pursuit Channel
QVC
RFD TV
Reelz Channel
SOAPnet
ShopNBC
TCT Network
TV Guide Network
TV Land
Teen Nick
The Word Network
Trinity Broadcasting Network
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Many of those do not exist in HD on any provider. The number of basics (by your definition) left to be added is extremely small.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 01:21 PM

There's never been anything official about when it was supposed to launch, so nope.


There was. There was an official announcement on the website (which since has been updated to exclude ION, but you can track back in this thread when it was live), and it still announced for August 15th in the DirecTV magazine of which there is a PDF in this thread somewhere.

ION was officially announced a day or so before along with the other channels that actually were launched on the 15th. Something last-minute must have happened for the launch to be scrapped.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 01:27 PM

the way I see it Basic is the lowest cost package of channels. from any provider. I have basic cable as well as satellite TV. Basic cable is mainly all the NYC locals. There are a few others but mainly junk.


So you would then consider channels like H2, GAC, DIY, Cooking Channel, Bio, Military, NatGeoWild, Oxygen, Science Channel and WGN to be PREMIUM because they are not in the lowest cost package of DirecTV? (Some of those aren in the 2nd lowest cost package either).

How would you classify those channels? Would DIY HD not be considered a "basic" HD channel?
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 02:09 PM

True, but the Vuelta and Giro have been on Universal sports only, while the Tour of California and the Tour de France have been on Versus only.


Reasons alone to have USN in HD sooner rather than later...

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 02:32 PM

Don't forget Investigation Discovery.


It's at the top of my list now, because it is my wife's favorite channel, and I get tired of walking in the room and seeing a non-HD picture. :mad:

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 03:21 PM

Many of those do not exist in HD on any provider. The number of basics (by your definition) left to be added is extremely small.

World Fishing Network is missing from your list. Even Charter carries WFN HD (after adding 56 HD channels at once)!

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 03:34 PM

And speaking of BBCA.....their program schedule for the next weeks certainly lacks much variety unless one is a Doctor Who, Star Trek TNG, Gordon Ramsey or Top Gear fan. Those programs are fine but why is there nothing else scheduled? I was originally a BBCA viewer but gave up on them when the video quality became so poor. I didn't realize that their range of programming had become so limited. The BBC TV archives are huge, so why is so little of it being utilized for BBCA???


Not saying these shows are your cup of tea, BUT "Copper" premieres this Sunday, and it appears that BBCA will be starting to re-air the series "Luther" which is an Emmy nominated, Golden Globe winning series. I like Idris Elba a lot and I never bothered to watch the series in SD, so I'm very excited for this show.

A "Law And Order: UK" episode is airing next week as well, which includes BSG and DW alums in the series.

BBCA tends to cycle their programming schedules. If you don't like something now, just keep an eye of their schedule. You may find something later...


*Channel Updates
• ION West moved to Channel 306
• AXS TV moved to Channel 340[/B]


Glad to see Ion West moving to channel 306.

On a personal level, I'd move MTV2 to 332, VH1 and VH1 Classics to 333 and 334 respectively, and put the nearby Audience on 335, and AXS TV on 336, but 340 is not bad. If they weren't going to make the changes I'd like, I think 333 would have been a better choice than 340, but that's just my opinion.

BBCA must've put on some sort of push to get hd systems. Went live on fios today. Their first basic add in a long, long time.


The FIOS announcement was made... last month, I believe?!

True. It is hard to truly define basic. We argue over that all the time.


There's two kinds of basic in my mind.

The first, and most important in my mind, is the way the providers present the channels. Many channels actually refer to themselves as basic channels, but that doesn't mean that providers have to carry them as such. For instance, Hallmark Movie Channel is considered a basic channel, and on some providers, is one, yet DirecTV offers it in a premium package. Upon it's launch, Sony Movie Channel described itself as a "basic" channel, yet DirecTV carries it in a premium package.

The second, is when you are referring to the way a provider bundles them. If I'm talking about basic channels, I'm talking about ones that DirecTV provides in base packages. Why?! Well, I'm a DirecTV subscriber.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 03:38 PM

Also ITV, etc. Since when are BSG and TNG British shows?

The first season of BSG was co-financed by Sky1, and in fact aired in the UK first. So throw in James Callis and Bamber and maybe it's like one tenth British? :P

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 03:41 PM

Just saw Copper "behind the badge" documentary about the show. Looks very interesting indeed. NYC after the Civil War looks amazing.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 03:42 PM

The second, is when you are referring to the way a provider bundles them. If I'm talking about basic channels, I'm talking about ones that DirecTV provides in base packages. Why?! Well, I'm a DirecTV subscriber.

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That's mostly why I used the term for BBCA even on fios.

Plus, if you want decent Internet speed, you almost have to get their middle package. The price actually goes UP if you try to take a lower package of channels. So, it funnels a lot of customers to the middle package, which includes BBCA.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 03:45 PM

BYU
Bloomberg
CNBC World
CSPAN1
CSPAN2

Christian Television Network
Church Channel
Daystar
EWTN
GOD TV
Galavision
Gospel Music Channel
Headline News
Home Shopping Network
INSP
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Investigation Discovery
Jewelry Television
Lifetime Movie Network
LinkTV
MTV2
NRB
Nick, Jr
Nickelodeon
OWN
Pursuit Channel
QVC
RFD TV
Reelz Channel
SOAPnet
ShopNBC
TCT Network
TV Guide Network
TV Land
Teen Nick
The Word Network
Trinity Broadcasting Network
WE
World Harvest Television


Many of those do not exist in HD on any provider. The number of basics (by your definition) left to be added is extremely small.


23 of those are available in HD, 16 are either known not to be, or have unknown status. The ones in bold are available.

Did you leave in Nickelodeon by accident?!

BTW, I called out SOAPnet as it was rebranded to Disney, Jr. It was said that it was going to be left on until contracts were made for Disney, Jr., but to be honest, I'm surprised it's still on. Either way, an HD feed will never exist for it...

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 04:42 PM

...it appears that BBCA will be starting to re-air the series "Luther" which is an Emmy nominated, Golden Globe winning series. I like Idris Elba a lot and I never bothered to watch the series in SD, so I'm very excited for this show.~Alan


I loved Luther...I was just thinking about it tonight while wondering what was on BBCA. There were far too few episodes. I see they may do a spinoff centering on Ruth Wilson's character. She was fantastic. http://weblogs.varie...ce-spinoff.html

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 04:50 PM

By your definition, then, to be considered "basic" it must be in the Entertainment package and not require special equipment. Using your definition, and not counting the west feeds where the east feed is already in HD, the only basic channels left that are not HD are...



If you stick with this very strict definition of "basic" Directv doesn't have any basic HD, since they charge an extra fee for HD. You can get this fee credited back for 2 years if you autopay, but the fee is still there.

It's one of those cable marketing ploys, "we don't charge extra for HD."
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 04:54 PM

If you stick with this very strict definition of "basic" Directv doesn't have any basic HD, since they charge an extra fee for HD. You can get this fee credited back for 2 years if you autopay, but the fee is still there.

It's one of those cable marketing ploys, "we don't charge extra for HD."


This continual argument is why I stay away from the term basic usually. Sorry to have restarted it. Channels are channels. They are available on a system or they are not. the rest is how and how much you pay for them.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 05:02 PM

OK... now that my #2 most wanted channel (BBCA) became available yesterday, it's time to update my anticipation list:


  • CW HD-DNS
    While I will continue to hold out hope that it will come prior to the start of the new Fall season (October 2nd is when it starts for The CW), I don't expect them until D14.
  • TV Land HD
    My hope is that the recent Viacom deal included TV Land HD. Of all the channels on my wishlist, it's the one that I feel I have the best chance of receiving this year.
  • Lifetime Movie Network HD
    Overall, I only watch this channel around November/December, so with it being August, it's higher on my list than it might usually be.
  • DIY-HD
    Watched frequently at this home, and a highly watched channel in my area.
  • Cooking Channel
    Watched frequently at this home.


I omitted Ion as I suspect it'll be here in the next couple of weeks...


BTW, while I'd LIKE to have multiple other channels, including The Hub and Fox Movie Channel, if I could get the channels listed above, I'd be pretty much satisfied with their national channel lineup for the time being.

Of course, on the locals front, I'm still waiting on ABC-HD and hoping I won't have to wait on CW-HD when it launches next year. :(

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 05:08 PM

If you stick with this very strict definition of "basic" Directv doesn't have any basic HD, since they charge an extra fee for HD. You can get this fee credited back for 2 years if you autopay, but the fee is still there.

It's one of those cable marketing ploys, "we don't charge extra for HD."


Technically, DirecTV charges for HD Access... or at least they did. Now it's lumped in with an Advanced Receiver Fee... not the channels themselves. Cable lumps in the same fees, but adds it to the equipment fees as well...

Plus, the SD versions of the channels would be considered basic, so the term basic would still apply to HD versions of the channels.

This continual argument is why I stay away from the term basic usually. Sorry to have restarted it. Channels are channels. They are available on a system or they are not. the rest is how and how much you pay for them.


The term is still appropriate... the pricing is up to each individual provider as to how much to charge for them, but there's nothing wrong with the term.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 05:12 PM

While I really haven't gotten to enjoy our recent HD since the Olympics took up most of TCM's debut (I do have a lot on the DVR) and BBC/NGW just hasn't been up long enough I guess it's time to rethink my HD want list.

1. HLN
2. Cooking
3. DIY
4. FMC
5. TVLand

While I don't watch it much I think I would watch Ovation if there was HD content so I'd add that too. That would pretty much do it for me.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 05:12 PM

The term is still appropriate... the pricing is up to each individual provider as to how much to charge for them, but there's nothing wrong with the term.

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Sure there is. Nobody calls packages basic. And nobody (various systems) agrees to what is a basic channel. With so many different packages, not even a single system can agree what is basic.

Here's a good one for you. Fios actually has a handful of channels that are included in their lowest package but are not in the next one up. So those channels can't be basic as they are not built upon.

I have a huge problem with the term.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 05:14 PM

  • CW HD-DNS
    While I will continue to hold out hope that it will come prior to the start of the new Fall season (October 2nd is when it starts for The CW), I don't expect them until D14.


Of course, on the locals front, I'm still waiting on ABC-HD and hoping I won't have to wait on CW-HD when it launches next year. :(


CRAP!! :mad:

I just found out a neighboring market's (Columbus, GA) NBC affiliate added HD to their CW sub-channel, and wouldn't you know, it's one of the two affiliates in that DMA I CAN'T receive via OTA since the digital switchover... :rolleyes:

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 05:17 PM

Sure there is. Nobody calls packages basic. And nobody (various systems) agrees to what is a basic channel. With so many different packages, not even a single system can agree what is basic.

Here's a good one for you. Fios actually has a handful of channels that are included in their lowest package but are not in the next one up. So those channels can't be basic as they are not built upon.

I have a huge problem with the term.


Again, I state that the channels define themselves as basic. If the channel defines itself as a basic, but the provider doesn't offer them as a basic, it's still a basic.

As a DirecTV subscriber, I'm aware that Hallmark Movie Channel and Sony Movie Channel are not basics, but they are meant to be.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 05:27 PM

I'm VERY happy with BBCA (Doctor Who) and I'm really hoping ION will go live HD before the new Flashpoint season begins.

My remaining HD hope list:
DIY
Cooking Channel
Fox Movie Channel
NASA
Encore channels
Fox Soccer Plus (full time)

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 05:32 PM

Again, I state that the channels define themselves as basic. If the channel defines itself as a basic, but the provider doesn't offer them as a basic, it's still a basic.


Say that out loud. It makes no sense. Especially as every channel contract has packaging clauses.

And what is basic? What level? It is an obsolete term from when cable just had analog channels and premiums. There were no tiers. No sports packages. Just cable and premium movie channels. Mostly HBO.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 05:33 PM

I don't watch any of new HD channels that were added, but I am happy we got more HD and happy for everyone else who were waiting for those channels to be added. If we could get DIY HD, then I will be very hapy:)

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 05:44 PM

Say that out loud. It makes no sense. Especially as every channel contract has packaging clauses.

And what is basic? What level? It is an obsolete term from when cable just had analog channels and premiums. There were no tiers. No sports packages. Just cable and premium movie channels. Mostly HBO.


When a company launches a channel, they decide whether to market it as a BASIC cable channel or a PREMIUM cable channel.

If they intend for it to be a basic channel, they shop the channel around to providers, hoping to get the channel into the lowest tier in order to have the most potential viewers for their advertising.

If the providers do not want to offer that channel in the lowest package, that should not discount the channel as a basic channel. As I stated previously, DirecTV's carriage of several BASIC channels in the HD Extra package... a premium package, does not change the fact that those channels are BASIC channels, but as DirecTV subscribers, it may change our view of those channels.

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