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DTV: Legacy SD Receivers To Be Obsolete


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#51 OFFLINE   Tom Robertson

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 09:42 PM

While I do love being a thrifty sort of person (my car is a '95 camero with less than 100k miles), I don't use monochrome monitors on my computers nor CRT monitors for that matter anymore. :)

At some point it just makes sense to move on. The newer units might use enough less energy than the cost of the upgrade... (especially if the units are free.) :)

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#52 OFFLINE   naijai

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:34 PM

I have 6 Hughes SD-HBH receivers still active that were made in 2004. I wonder if they will qualify for replacement or are they just new enough to keep.


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#53 OFFLINE   BrucePadgett

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 02:49 AM

Hey Tom, I resemble that remark! ; )

BTW I still use Advent speakers in my sound system--30 plus years and still going strong.
However, I'm sending this post on an iPad. Ooooh, cutting edge.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 10:28 AM

I have three very old STBs in service. An old Hughes E11 (Silver Series) and two RCA DRD-420e boxes.

I also still have two R10 DirecTivos but I doubt if those are impacted by this.

I've actually been considering getting an HR34 and replacing all of the old legacy STBs with simple clients. I've been out of contract for 16 months. Maybe it's time to pull the trigger on that.


R10 not impacted

The DRD-420RE (that's the official designation) will be impacted but not until later in the year and next year.

Not sure about the E11.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:21 AM

Well ... since the service was originally released back in late 2000, I'll ask ... :)

Are Ultimate TV boxes affected?

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:53 AM

Well ... since the service was originally released back in late 2000, I'll ask ... :)

Are Ultimate TV boxes affected?


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Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:50 PM

R10 not impacted

The DRD-420RE (that's the official designation) will be impacted but not until later in the year and next year.

Not sure about the E11.


I'm not surprised about the R10s, but the E11 is so old it doesn't even support 4-digit channel numbers :lol:

It was part of my very first system, circa 1998. It actually has some cool features like color coded channels in the guide (e.g. Red=Movie channel) and what was called Turbo Tune (a tic-tac-toe matrix of 9 favorite channels you can tune to quickly) a version of which was eventually added to the HR2X firmware, accessed by pressing up-arrow.

But it is older than dirt. A good 2 -3 years older than the RCAs. From clear back in the Clinton administration.
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:33 PM

I'm not surprised about the R10s, but the E11 is so old it doesn't even support 4-digit channel numbers :lol:

It was part of my very first system, circa 1998. It actually has some cool features like color coded channels in the guide (e.g. Red=Movie channel) and what was called Turbo Tune (a tic-tac-toe matrix of 9 favorite channels you can tune to quickly) a version of which was eventually added to the HR2X firmware, accessed by pressing up-arrow.

But it is older than dirt. A good 2 -3 years older than the RCAs. From clear back in the Clinton administration.


Is it a HNS HIRD-E11N, then yes it is affected. I'm not familiar with just an E11. Sorry to be nit picky on these, there are so many models over the years that I need the exact model number. I suspect that is the one you are talking about and it will be on the list to be replaced.
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Posted 04 July 2012 - 07:53 AM

Is it a HNS HIRD-E11N, then yes it is affected. I'm not familiar with just an E11. Sorry to be nit picky on these, there are so many models over the years that I need the exact model number. I suspect that is the one you are talking about and it will be on the list to be replaced.


Yes, the manaul says HIRD-E11. I used to refer to it in the long form and so many other referred to it as simply an "E11" I started using the abbreviated model numbre since the first part seemed to be a pretty obvious abbreviation for "Hughes IRD" with E11 being the 'operative' part of the model number.

Thanks. I completely understand your attention to detail if you are providing information to others. You wouldn't want to disseminate something that was inaccurate and have folks relying on it.

That, and some folks can turn on you like jackals around here if you mess up or are a little off.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 08:45 PM

Anyone know if this will include legacy receivers with an APG guide that will be made obsolete? or just the pre-APG guide receivers?

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 08:55 PM

Anyone know if this will include legacy receivers with an APG guide that will be made obsolete? or just the pre-APG guide receivers?


It's just the MPG (Master Program Guide) receivers. APG receivers are not going to be effected.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 09:11 PM

It's just the MPG (Master Program Guide) receivers. APG receivers are not going to be effected.


Are there any APG receivers without RIDs?

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 09:26 PM

Are there any APG receivers without RIDs?


I know there are a few of the old TiVo's that do not have a RID.

As for the regular IRD's, I do not remember any APG's without a RID, but I reserve the right to be wrong on that one.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 09:28 PM

I think the Hughes Gaeboa might be APG receivers without RID's

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 11:14 PM

Anyone know if this will include legacy receivers with an APG guide that will be made obsolete? or just the pre-APG guide receivers?


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Posted 05 July 2012 - 06:45 AM

How much bandwidth will that save having to get rid of that old master program guide data?

Do you think some day they could phase out MPEG2 set tops? I would love to see better picture quality on channels I like to watch frequently like DIY Network, H2, BBC America, Fuse and the wife's Oxygen, Style, We.

The MPEG2 or MPEG 1.5 (if you want to call it that) quality is atrocious. It would be great if we could move all of 101 to MPEG4. Could have better quality in less footprint. More standby transponders for disaster recovery. More transponders for HD and other advanced services. The system would be in much better shape and it would follow a single standard (MPEG4) and would be simpler to support just one style of inventory and SWIM setups.

I know that would take a lot of work, but if you start now maybe you would have it done in the next 5 years?

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 11:49 AM

I see that tp24 on 119W as first attempt to convert Ku tpn to MPEG-4 using DVB-S2D 8PSK. It carry 5 HD channels now (really only two, but a replication of one to four PIDs do stress for whole bandwidth).

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 02:43 PM

How much bandwidth will that save having to get rid of that old master program guide data?

Do you think some day they could phase out MPEG2 set tops? I would love to see better picture quality on channels I like to watch frequently like DIY Network, H2, BBC America, Fuse and the wife's Oxygen, Style, We.

The MPEG2 or MPEG 1.5 (if you want to call it that) quality is atrocious. It would be great if we could move all of 101 to MPEG4. Could have better quality in less footprint. More standby transponders for disaster recovery. More transponders for HD and other advanced services. The system would be in much better shape and it would follow a single standard (MPEG4) and would be simpler to support just one style of inventory and SWIM setups.

I know that would take a lot of work, but if you start now maybe you would have it done in the next 5 years?


I'm betting that bandwidth isn't a primary driver for this, from the satellite perspective, but more of a resource and time investment that is no longer cost effective. The receivers are not being replaced with MPEG 4 receivers so this is not the start of an MPEG 4 transition.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 04:08 PM

I'm betting that bandwidth isn't a primary driver for this, from the satellite perspective, but more of a resource and time investment that is no longer cost effective. The receivers are not being replaced with MPEG 4 receivers so this is not the start of an MPEG 4 transition.


That's odd. If your going to replace them then why not put mpeg4 boxes out there since they have been in production for so long... Spend time and effort once rather than twice.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 04:37 PM

They know how many SD boxes out there and do count money - we are speculating; so the your question/pitch is not well funded.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 05:22 PM

They know how many SD boxes out there and do count money - we are speculating; so the your question/pitch is not well funded.


I know your right It seems asinine from the outside looking in. Not something I would do, but then I don't run a DBS provider either.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 06:30 PM

They developing/have/correcting own plans. We would be lucky to just make right guess. Nothing else.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 07:49 PM

Got a call this week from DirecTV informing us that the legacy receivers will be phased out by Dec. 31 of this year. I personally didn't take the call, but now I at least know the definitive drop-dead date for my Sony.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 07:59 PM

As for the regular IRD's, I do not remember any APG's without a RID, but I reserve the right to be wrong on that one.


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Posted 06 July 2012 - 05:13 PM

so are people being offered an owned for an owned receiver? Or what's the deal with this?




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