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#251 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:26 PM

Yes, and about 22 games in the regular season nationally. This is why i call for a fair price, but i think TWC may stick it to us because:
A. Dwight Howard
B. Steve Nash
C. One network with two feeds (Spanish)
D. TWC overpaid and trying to justify by saying "we" also get the Sparks, Galaxy, etc.
They are trying to be a Network when in reality it's just the Lakers. If they add the Dodgers THEN they become a Network. Having both the Lakers and the Dodgers will make a FULL year round channel. Not a 6 or 7 month station.


Players from this year have nothing to do with it.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:39 PM

Lakers channel will broadcast all but about 18 games in the season (there are a few games that will be on national and the Lakers channel) and most of the first round of the playoffs. After the first round, all games are exclusive to national channels like espn and TNT.


And for out of market maybe some on nba channel or does that 18 count that?
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:55 PM

And for out of market maybe some on nba channel or does that 18 count that?


I counted 29 including NBATV.

Wow... 29 of 82 games are on ESPN, TNT, ABC, or NBATV. I hope the rest are on LP for us out of market fans. I have a feeling it'll get on DirecTV.


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:19 PM

I counted 29 including NBATV.


Didn't realize nba tv announces this early. Figured they were flexible.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:48 PM

Didn't realize nba tv announces this early. Figured they were flexible.


They are. They'll also do fan voting for some nights.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:29 PM

Players from this year have nothing to do with it.


I think you're wrong. I know their contract (TWC) was in place before all that happened, but the Laker fans AND casual fans have come to realize that with the new additions, this may be the beginning of something special. My point is, that people who are not with TWC, which is currently everyone else, will be pressured to finalize a contract which may be higher than normal BECAUSE of Howard and Nash. TWC way overpaid for the rights, and knowing that the Lakers are on paper one of the favs if not THE fav to win it all, that DIRECTV will have to pay more for a sportschannel than they normally would. So it does affect us in Laker land.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:42 PM

And for out of market maybe some on nba channel or does that 18 count that?


Here's the rub. TNT and abc have exclusive national rights when the lakers are on those channels. When the lakers are on nbatv and espn they are on both channels (national and local). Any game on nba tv will be blacked out, but espn, who knows. That's based on last year.

The real bad part, I much prefer the lakers announcers over the mostly annoying national ones.

I haven't missed seeing or listening to a game since the 80's so I am concerned.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:52 PM

I think you're wrong. I know their contract (TWC) was in place before all that happened, but the Laker fans AND casual fans have come to realize that with the new additions, this may be the beginning of something special. My point is, that people who are not with TWC, which is currently everyone else, will be pressured to finalize a contract which may be higher than normal BECAUSE of Howard and Nash. TWC way overpaid for the rights, and knowing that the Lakers are on paper one of the favs if not THE fav to win it all, that DIRECTV will have to pay more for a sportschannel than they normally would. So it does affect us in Laker land.


Sorry but I've heard nothin about them changing how much they are asking and they got the lakers for 20 years. They bought the brand knowing it will always be strong. Had nothing to do with any one single year, it's about what they can do with he brand year in and year out for 20 or more years.

It might increase the number of customers calling, but it won't increase the pressure overall DirecTV will feel. Again it's the long term brand that both are dealing with.

And actually I don't think twc overpaid. But we won't know for 20 years one way or the other for sure.

And the casual fan will still be fine with the national coverage, so it's only the big fans like myself that really want this channel.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 02:43 AM

Sorry but I've heard nothin about them changing how much they are asking and they got the lakers for 20 years. They bought the brand knowing it will always be strong. Had nothing to do with any one single year, it's about what they can do with he brand year in and year out for 20 or more years.

It might increase the number of customers calling, but it won't increase the pressure overall DirecTV will feel. Again it's the long term brand that both are dealing with.

And actually I don't think twc overpaid. But we won't know for 20 years one way or the other for sure.

And the casual fan will still be fine with the national coverage, so it's only the big fans like myself that really want this channel.


I am also one of those big fans and have been a diehard since the late 70's when i came out here from Boston. I used to be the only one who still had cable of all my friends. In May of this year i switched to DIRECTV. None of my friends have TWC. All the experts believe TWC overpaid. I know TWC needs DIRECTV and the others just like we need the Lakers. But my beef is with TWC calling this a regional TV network. Right now it's the Lakers network. I have heard it might cost $5 per month. I'm fine with that, but will the other fans go for it knowing that they can see many Laker games throughout the season and playoffs without TWC. I hope there's a fair balance between TWC and the other sat/cable companies and this gets done soon.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 04:29 PM

Well, on Mason/Ireland show on KSPN they devoted about half the show to DIRECTV and how they will switch to TWC if we don't have a resolution for the Lakers and the Big 12 network (which starts tomorrow with UCLA). That sounds great....however, i'm not rich like those two guys and just can't walk away (in my case DirecTV) and go back to TWC. I'm only in my first few months of my contract and i don't have money to throw away. I love DirecTV and plan on keeping it. But i'll be damned if they don't do something, and something soon.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 02:01 AM

Very interesting discussion by LA sports media people who have subscribed to Directv since the mid 90's.John Ireland also works for the Lakers and does the radio play by play.

At the 13:50 mark of the interview a Directv employee calls in.At the 19:11 mark a TWC employee calls into the radio show.



Come October 1st if Directv does not have the channel they are going to lose my business and a bunch of Laker fans business who are in the Lakers DMA area who have Time Warner Cable available in their area.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 02:08 AM

Well, on Mason/Ireland show on KSPN they devoted about half the show to DIRECTV and how they will switch to TWC if we don't have a resolution for the Lakers and the Big 12 network (which starts tomorrow with UCLA). That sounds great....however, i'm not rich like those two guys and just can't walk away (in my case DirecTV) and go back to TWC. I'm only in my first few months of my contract and i don't have money to throw away. I love DirecTV and plan on keeping it. But i'll be damned if they don't do something, and something soon.


Once again the power that you have as a customer is to suspend your Directv account for up to 6 months without having to pay the bill.Get TWC installed.Until Directv gets their **** together.This will also give you time to save money to pay the ETF fee if worse comes to worse and you have to cancel Directv because they can't come to an agreement to carry this channel.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 02:54 AM

Once again the power that you have as a customer is to suspend your Directv account for up to 6 months without having to pay the bill.Get TWC installed.Until Directv gets their **** together.This will also give you time to save money to pay the ETF fee if worse comes to worse and you have to cancel Directv because they can't come to an agreement to carry this channel.


Why would i suspend? TWC was charging me $140 a month, now, with all my discounts i'm paying $47 per month for 1 year and $67 for the second. I still have TWC Internet, but as i found out, i was getting ripped off on cable.
With DIRECTV i get about 125 stations in high def, AND, free Sunday Ticket MAX for this season. I'm getting more for less. If they don't come to an agreement, which i think they will, then i will live with it and watch the Lakers on TNT, ESPN, etc.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 06:12 AM

Once again the power that you have as a customer is to suspend your Directv account for up to 6 months without having to pay the bill.Get TWC installed.Until Directv gets their **** together.This will also give you time to save money to pay the ETF fee if worse comes to worse and you have to cancel Directv because they can't come to an agreement to carry this channel.


Get their what together? For not yet carrying a channel that hasn't even launched?
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Posted 15 September 2012 - 08:00 AM

Very interesting discussion by LA sports media people who have subscribed to Directv since the mid 90's.John Ireland also works for the Lakers and does the radio play by play.

At the 13:50 mark of the interview a Directv employee calls in.At the 19:11 mark a TWC employee calls into the radio show.



Come October 1st if Directv does not have the channel they are going to lose my business and a bunch of Laker fans business who are in the Lakers DMA area who have Time Warner Cable available in their area.

What are you missing anyway? Just about every Lakers game is also on TNT. Seems like every time they had a game on FSN, it was also on TNT.

Trust me when I say a deal will be reached before the start of the season.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 08:05 AM

What are you missing anyway? Just about every Lakers game is also on TNT. Seems like every time they had a game on FSN, it was also on TNT.
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That's not true. About 20 something are on national channels; 29 of 82 this coming season.
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Posted 15 September 2012 - 01:25 PM

What are you missing anyway? Just about every Lakers game is also on TNT. Seems like every time they had a game on FSN, it was also on TNT.

Trust me when I say a deal will be reached before the start of the season.


8 pre season games. Media say coverage and other exclusive team coverage all which starts on October 1st.

29 out of 82 regular season games are on National TV. That leaves 53 games out if Directv does not get this channel.

You like a bunch of other people on this thread sound like just a casual basketball fan.

Others like me are the hardcore Laker fans who don't want to miss any games.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 01:59 PM

8 pre season games. Media say coverage and other exclusive team coverage all which starts on October 1st.

29 out of 82 regular season games are on National TV. That leaves 53 games out if Directv does not get this channel.

You like a bunch of other people on this thread sound like just a casual basketball fan.

Others like me are the hardcore Laker fans who don't want to miss any games.


And I don't think we can get all 29. They usually black out the national games that are on nbatv in the home markets so they don't undercut the local channel. I need to count what channels the games are on for national broadcast.

I need either charter or DirecTV to pick up the channel or I'm completely screwed.

I have said it before though, the lakers channel is far more important than the pac12 channel to DirecTV I think.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 02:03 PM

8 pre season games. Media say coverage and other exclusive team coverage all which starts on October 1st.

29 out of 82 regular season games are on National TV. That leaves 53 games out if Directv does not get this channel.

You like a bunch of other people on this thread sound like just a casual basketball fan.

Others like me are the hardcore Laker fans who don't want to miss any games.


I'm a "hardcore" Lakers fan too;

Have been since the mid-70's. But if what that TWC employee who called in to the Mason & Ireland show you linked to earlier claims is in any way true, I really can't blame DIRECTV for holding their ground here.

As he admitted the word around there was if "we" (TWC) do get a deal with DIRECTV we'll come away with an "arm and a leg." Since DIRECTV is our chief competitor for customers and "we" (again TWC) have no real incentive to come to a deal with them as opposed to other CATV companies who's franchises we can't cover anyhow.

I mean FWIW coming from a sole employee with alleged inside info., but interesting that he admits the strategy of TWC attempting to use their exclusive broadcast rights to the Lakers as leverage to try steal customers away from the satellite providers, in particular DIRECTV or otherwise fleece them if they make a deal.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 02:08 PM

... I need to count what channels the games are on for national broadcast.
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25 are non NBATV...meaning ESPN, TNT, or ABC.
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Posted 15 September 2012 - 03:18 PM

I'm a "hardcore" Lakers fan too;

Have been since the mid-70's. But if what that TWC employee who called in to the Mason & Ireland show you linked to earlier claims is in any way true, I really can't blame DIRECTV for holding their ground here.

As he admitted the word around there was if "we" (TWC) do get a deal with DIRECTV we'll come away with an "arm and a leg." Since DIRECTV is our chief competitor for customers and "we" (again TWC) have no real incentive to come to a deal with them as opposed to other CATV companies who's franchises we can't cover anyhow.

I mean FWIW coming from a sole employee with alleged inside info., but interesting that he admits the strategy of TWC attempting to use their exclusive broadcast rights to the Lakers as leverage to try steal customers away from the satellite providers, in particular DIRECTV or otherwise fleece them if they make a deal.


I understand but Laker fans who have D* right now and have TWC available in their area will switch & leave D* if come late October no deal has been made.

D* seems intent to wait until the last possible minute which would be 11-4 when that's the first Laker game not on national TV.

D* knows how important this channel is and according to that D* employee who called in says that this is their #1 priority right now.

D* knows they are going to bleed and lose a bunch of customers the longer they hold out leading up to the regular season.Especially if TWC first reaches agreements with other Cable companies and IPTV providers like Verizon Fios & AT&T U-Verse which are readily available in a lot of the Lakers DMA coverage area.

Also keep in mind that the LA & Socal regions is the biggest customer base for D* in the US.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 03:36 PM

I understand but Laker fans who have D* right and have TWC available in their area will switch & leave D* if come late October no deal has been made.

D* seems intent to wait until the last possible minute which would be 11-4 when that's the first Laker game not on national TV.

D* knows how important this channel is and according to that D* employee who called in says that this is their #1 priority right now.

D* knows they are going to bleed and lose a bunch of customers the longer they hold out leading up to the regular season.Especially if TWC reaches agreement with other Cable companies and IPTV providers like Verizon Fios & AT&T U-Verse which are readily available in a lot of the Lakers DMA coverage area.

Also keep in mind that the LA & Socal regions is the biggest customer base for D* in the US.


Your assumptions are based on your wants not reality. There will be some customers who care more about basketball than other sports, but at the end of the day there are more baseball, college, and football fans than Lakers fans. So some will be willing to switch but other's won't.

TWC wants this to be like Comcast in Philly. That's their goal and so far DIRECTV has done fine without sports in Philly.

Hopefully a deal will get done but not at the expense of the majority of people who don't care about the Lakers.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 03:58 PM

Your assumptions are based on your wants not reality. There will be some customers who care more about basketball than other sports, but at the end of the day there are more baseball, college, and football fans than Lakers fans. So some will be willing to switch but other's won't.

TWC wants this to be like Comcast in Philly. That's their goal and so far DIRECTV has done fine without sports in Philly.

Hopefully a deal will get done but not at the expense of the majority of people who don't care about the Lakers.

how much pull do the Lakers have?? and what about NON TWC areas that in the Lakers zone?
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Posted 15 September 2012 - 04:00 PM

TWC wants this to be like Comcast in Philly. That's their goal and so far DIRECTV has done fine without sports in Philly.

You can't compare the CSN Philly situation to the Laker situation, D* never had Philly sports to begin with so there was nothing lost there. D* had the Lakers, and if you don't get a deal done you will lose a very large chunk of subscribers.

But then again I partially blame the Lakers for this too, its obvious they were going after the cash cow.

how much pull do the Lakers have?? and what about NON TWC areas that in the Lakers zone?

I'd say none. Look what happened in Portland.

When are these teams going to wake up and smell the coffee? The Yankees, Red Sox and Bruins did it right, they actually own the networks their games are shown on.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 05:56 PM

That's not true. About 20 something are on national channels; 29 of 82 this coming season.

That is my point. How many other teams, besides the Yankees, have over 1/3 of their games on national broadcasts? How many other teams allow you to view those national games within your local area? The Lakers are the only team in all sports that has over 30% of their games broadcasts nationally and not blacked out within the local region.




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