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#221 OFFLINE   WebTraveler

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 09:05 PM

I'm already making plans to suspend my Directv account come late September and have Time Warner Cable come out and install service and of course will not sign a contract and will go month to month with TWC.


Who has time for this? You waste a day whenever a provider comes to your home, does an install, etc. Then learning all the new commands on your remote, DVRs, etc. I don't have time for this back and forth with providers.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 02:27 AM

Who has time for this? You waste a day whenever a provider comes to your home, does an install, etc. Then learning all the new commands on your remote, DVRs, etc. I don't have time for this back and forth with providers.


Die HARD sports fans of a particular team and my team being such a successful franchise over the past 33 years alone.Are the type of people willing to put in the time & effort to go this route.Those are a lot of the same people who sign up for Directv just to get NFL Sunday Ticket for the same reasons.

It's not that hard also.Most companies like both Directv & Time Warner offer weekend appointments.

Learning a channel guide & lineup is so damn easy that most 5 year old kids learn & memorize their favorite channels in a matter of days.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 07:41 AM

Who has time for this? You waste a day whenever a provider comes to your home, does an install, etc. Then learning all the new commands on your remote, DVRs, etc. I don't have time for this back and forth with providers.


You can leave your DirecTV setup completely intact and up and running, and just add 1 receiver to the main TV of the house with a cable connected to the local cable system. (Cable company can run a 2nd cable that attaches to the cable tv connection point at the house) Then get the cheapest package possible, which on their "12 month special" or something might only run you $19.95 per month. It will have the TWC LA Sportsnet in them, and in HD.

You will then ONLY use that receiver when the lakers play, the rest of the time you will just use the DirecTV system. Not much to learn then, except where the TWC Sportsnet channel is, and how to change HDMI input on your TV.

Plus, that raider fan can continue to watch the raiders. That's how I would do it anyways.

As for who has time..... depends on how serious a sports fan you are. And correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you say you would probably switch to Comcast if they didn't have PAC12 by the first weekend of football? Can't remember now.
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 07:49 AM

We have no idea what kind of clauses are in the contract for coverage. After the Trailblazer fiasco, you'd think a team would be a bit more proactive in making sure their games get to their fan base. It happened in Chicago and happens elsewhere. The teams have a say in distribution.


There might indeed be a clause... yeah we don't know at all. But I suspect it is probably a compensation of some sorts, not a "accept what the carrier is offering" kind of clause. If DirecTV suspects it is the latter, it will just offer $1, sit back and relax, and wait till the Lakers activate the clause. :D

If it was a clause that would somehow force TWC to ensure carriage with DirecTV, Dish, and others or face a stiff penalty, the carriers will know this.... they will have their lawyers examine every bit of info they can find. If there was such a clause, it would make a very strong case for DirecTV to offer low and stick with it until TWC breaks because the Lakers are activating said clause.
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 01:02 PM

There might indeed be a clause... yeah we don't know at all. But I suspect it is probably a compensation of some sorts, not a "accept what the carrier is offering" kind of clause. If DirecTV suspects it is the latter, it will just offer $1, sit back and relax, and wait till the Lakers activate the clause. :D

If it was a clause that would somehow force TWC to ensure carriage with DirecTV, Dish, and others or face a stiff penalty, the carriers will know this.... they will have their lawyers examine every bit of info they can find. If there was such a clause, it would make a very strong case for DirecTV to offer low and stick with it until TWC breaks because the Lakers are activating said clause.


Aside from everything else, why on earth would twc and the Lakers ever let any other provider see their contract? That would be dumb and destroy all leverage they had on anything, assuming there is such a clause, which I seriously doubt their is.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 01:30 PM

Aside from everything else, why on earth would twc and the Lakers ever let any other provider see their contract? That would be dumb and destroy all leverage they had on anything, assuming there is such a clause, which I seriously doubt their is.


No team should ever enter into a contract that does not stipulate minimum coverage. Money is money but exposure is worth that much more.

Again, ask the Trailblazers of they would do it differently. Ask the Padres about their Cox experience. Ask the Bulls, Cubs, White Sox and Blackhawks how they did do it differently. Ask the Mets...oh well, I hope you get the idea. A team just cashing in and letting a channel/cable system do what they want is shortsighted and ignoring realities.
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 02:40 PM

Aside from everything else, why on earth would twc and the Lakers ever let any other provider see their contract? That would be dumb and destroy all leverage they had on anything, assuming there is such a clause, which I seriously doubt their is.


No one ever lets another see contracts. But I am assuming that the lawyers that DirecTV employs and the knowledge that DirecTV has in these kinds of contracts (including several Root sports networks they own themselves) allows them to come up with all the legal options that could exist between a sports team and the buyer of broadcast rights. They have brainiac lawyers, just like TWC and Lakers would. :)

DirecTV could just simply sit back and see if anyone bites.

That said, a "other carriers must carry" clause might also forgo the first season, which would give TWC all the time to wait it out themselves, and see if DirecTV is the first one to buckle under all the customers leaving.

In any case, looking back at Tribune, Viacom, now PAC12..... I have every reason to expect that DirecTV will be doing some HARD negotiating here, with missing a week or two weeks of the season a distinct possibility.

For the record:

First Pre-Season game: Oct. 7th.
First Season game: Oct. 30th (First three season games will be shown on national channels).
First Season game ONLY on TWC SN: November 4th.

I expect negotiations to go on till AT LEAST November 4th.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 06:03 PM

Comcast is not as cheap as you think it may be. It's more expensive than other carriers.

That said I said I would leave Directv if they didn't carry Pac 12. Didn't say it was day one.

Comcast didn't have streaming until today I am told and I am told its a pretty shoddy set up, so I need to let them work the kinks out.

Word is out that Dish is testing Pac 12 on it's systems today. That said, that will either force Directv to come to the table OR it will force me to go to Dish rather than Comcast.


You can leave your DirecTV setup completely intact and up and running, and just add 1 receiver to the main TV of the house with a cable connected to the local cable system. (Cable company can run a 2nd cable that attaches to the cable tv connection point at the house) Then get the cheapest package possible, which on their "12 month special" or something might only run you $19.95 per month. It will have the TWC LA Sportsnet in them, and in HD.

You will then ONLY use that receiver when the lakers play, the rest of the time you will just use the DirecTV system. Not much to learn then, except where the TWC Sportsnet channel is, and how to change HDMI input on your TV.

Plus, that raider fan can continue to watch the raiders. That's how I would do it anyways.

As for who has time..... depends on how serious a sports fan you are. And correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you say you would probably switch to Comcast if they didn't have PAC12 by the first weekend of football? Can't remember now.



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Posted 05 September 2012 - 07:42 PM

No team should ever enter into a contract that does not stipulate minimum coverage. Money is money but exposure is worth that much more.

Again, ask the Trailblazers of they would do it differently. Ask the Padres about their Cox experience. Ask the Bulls, Cubs, White Sox and Blackhawks how they did do it differently. Ask the Mets...oh well, I hope you get the idea. A team just cashing in and letting a channel/cable system do what they want is shortsighted and ignoring realities.


I completely totally agree with you. I just think its a bit much to think that in any way dtv could ever know for sure what exactly is in the contract between the Lakers and tw.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 07:44 PM

No one ever lets another see contracts. But I am assuming that the lawyers that DirecTV employs and the knowledge that DirecTV has in these kinds of contracts (including several Root sports networks they own themselves) allows them to come up with all the legal options that could exist between a sports team and the buyer of broadcast rights. They have brainiac lawyers, just like TWC and Lakers would. :)

DirecTV could just simply sit back and see if anyone bites.

That said, a "other carriers must carry" clause might also forgo the first season, which would give TWC all the time to wait it out themselves, and see if DirecTV is the first one to buckle under all the customers leaving.

In any case, looking back at Tribune, Viacom, now PAC12..... I have every reason to expect that DirecTV will be doing some HARD negotiating here, with missing a week or two weeks of the season a distinct possibility.

For the record:

First Pre-Season game: Oct. 7th.
First Season game: Oct. 30th (First three season games will be shown on national channels).
First Season game ONLY on TWC SN: November 4th.

I expect negotiations to go on till AT LEAST November 4th.


Since I doubt any two contracts are identical, who knows.... I think the pac12 can pound sound in DIRECTV mind, but they better have this channel and I want it on day one. If I miss a single regular season game I'm actually going to be mad.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 07:44 PM

I completely totally agree with you. I just think its a bit much to think that in any way dtv could ever know for sure what exactly is in the contract between the Lakers and tw.


I don't think directv has a clue although they may be playing the odds.
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 10:30 PM

Yup very well explained.

I'm already making plans to suspend my Directv account come late September and have Time Warner Cable come out and install service and of course will not sign a contract and will go month to month with TWC.

Problem is though I have a family friend member renting a room in my house who is a HARCORE Raider fan.

Sorry for him. But push come to shove I'm the one making the TV viewing decisions in my house which I own and I'm paying the Directv monthly bill so he really has no say on the matter when this year NFL Sunday Ticket is free since I just signed up this past June.

He can go to a local bar and watch his pathetic Raiders lose while getting drunk.


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Posted 06 September 2012 - 04:39 AM

Directv should sell this channel like ESPN game plan, so who ever wants to support billionaire owners and millionaire players pay for it and keep my bill from going up because of sports.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 05:21 AM

I used to have TWC until i decided to change in May. If i go back to TWC i will lose money because i'm only partly into my contract. I love DirecTV and plan on keeping it, but something has to be done, and done quickly. If TWC loses DirecTV as well as all the other cable companies for not showing the Lakers.....this will be reprehensible.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 04:18 PM

I used to have TWC until i decided to change in May. If i go back to TWC i will lose money because i'm only partly into my contract. I love DirecTV and plan on keeping it, but something has to be done, and done quickly. If TWC loses DirecTV as well as all the other cable companies for not showing the Lakers.....this will be reprehensible.


You can suspend your Directv account and go back to TWC on a month to month basis until Directv & TWC reach an agreement to carry the channel.Then when or if a deal is reached cancel TWC without having to pay a termination fee and then turn back on your D* service.

That way you don't get hit with the early termination fee immediately with D*.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 10:01 PM

You can suspend your Directv account and go back to TWC on a month to month basis until Directv & TWC reach an agreement to carry the channel.Then when or if a deal is reached cancel TWC without having to pay a termination fee and then turn back on your D* service.

That way you don't get hit with the early termination fee immediately with D*.


Or even just suspend DIRECTV during the season, and then fire it back up after the regular season when all games are on national channels... Do that till you are no longer in commitment.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 10:41 PM

Or even just suspend DIRECTV during the season, and then fire it back up after the regular season when all games are on national channels... Do that till you are no longer in commitment.


But i don't want to suspend DirecTV, i'm more than happy with it. I left TWC for the sole reason of better programming at a lower price. I'm willing to pay a little extra for the Lakers, keep in mind that the Lakers will only be on for a few months, so TWC needs to keep that in mind. It's not a year round station as far as live events.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 11:10 PM

But i don't want to suspend DirecTV, i'm more than happy with it. I left TWC for the sole reason of better programming at a lower price. I'm willing to pay a little extra for the Lakers, keep in mind that the Lakers will only be on for a few months, so TWC needs to keep that in mind. It's not a year round station as far as live events.


No these new channels will be a year round 24/7 channel.TWC signed a distribution deals with the LA Galaxy, LA Sparks, local high school coverage, and they made a deal with the Mountain West Conference to show their college football & basketball games.

This won't be like what has happened with Fox Sports San Diego.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 11:56 PM

No these new channels will be a year round 24/7 channel.TWC signed a distribution deals with the LA Galaxy, LA Sparks, local high school coverage, and they made a deal with the Mountain West Conference to show their college football & basketball games.

This won't be like what has happened with Fox Sports San Diego.


I know the Galaxy, Sparks, high schools, and MWC will be carried. But who cares? Most Laker fans don't give a crap about these teams. Who's going to watch high school games on TV? If the Dodgers were added then i can see. But THIS IS NOT a new regional network as it is now and leaving all the other SAT/Cable providers in the dust will be the end of TWC as we know it.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 06:42 AM

...Who's going to watch high school games on TV?...


Myself and friends do. We enjoy seeing the best from other states to see if they're as good as Texas teams. I enjoy seeing De La Salle HS, Cal Poly HS, Mater Dei HS, etc play from California.
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