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#426 ONLINE   HoTat2

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 12:40 PM

On a Lakers rumors fan site. I saw this via twitter.


A Lakersnation reporter is reporting that a deal is done between TWC and DirectTV:

Here is his twitter:

Jabari A. Davis ‏@RealTalkOnSprts

Found out Directv and TWC worked out their issues, and I will be able to watch every second of action from @ejchristian7 #BestNewsOfTheDay.

Take it for what it is worth. Could be legit or just someone trying to get followers.


Nah ....

Can find no confirmation of this anywhere;:nono2:

Seems like just a false rumor.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 01:37 PM

The problem is Directv's new stance regarding sports is Sports pack/ premier, stand alone ala carte or lastly ppv. They seem to be using this stance towards all new sports channels poping up right now. Which is what the Directv statement meant. They don't want to put it in a very low base package anymore. I would say the days of Directv being the sports leader are gone. Now if you live out of market the online packages except for NBA league pass are the way to go. I wouldn't expect it added anytime soon. Especially before the regular season starts. CSN Houston and FS New Orleans may be in the same boat.


base package in market and sports pack out of side of it.

Is how it worked for years.

Now what the point of makeing it base package for all if out of market is loaded with blackouts?


FS New Orleans is just a new sub feed split off of a FS feed that they have now.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 02:48 PM

The problem is Directv's new stance regarding sports is Sports pack/ premier, stand alone ala carte or lastly ppv. They seem to be using this stance towards all new sports channels poping up right now. Which is what the Directv statement meant. They don't want to put it in a very low base package anymore. I would say the days of Directv being the sports leader are gone. Now if you live out of market the online packages except for NBA league pass are the way to go. I wouldn't expect it added anytime soon. Especially before the regular season starts. CSN Houston and FS New Orleans may be in the same boat.


How is what you are saying any different than what already exists? The only exception to this rule I can think of is BTN, which can be argued is a regional channel but it is more of a super regional like Pac 12. All local RSNs are local except for sports pack, etc.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 03:04 PM

What?!?! :lol::lol::lol: There isn't a single provider in the country that comes even remotely close to DirecTV in sports offerings.


Does DirecTV have the Pac 12 Network? No...they're not the sports leader.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 03:15 PM

Does DirecTV have the Pac 12 Network? No...they're not the sports leader.


No provider has every single channel available. By your logic no provider is a leader at anything.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 03:22 PM

Does DirecTV have the Pac 12 Network? No...they're not the sports leader.


Who is?
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 03:23 PM

No provider has every single channel available. By your logic no provider is a leader at anything.


Except D* has ALWAYS touted itself as the Sports Leader.
Without the PAC-12 Net (and if it doesn't sign with the TWC/Lakers RSN) it isn't anymore thus, the torch has been passed.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 03:29 PM

Except D* has ALWAYS touted itself as the Sports Leader.
Without the PAC-12 Net (and if it doesn't sign with the TWC/Lakers RSN) it isn't anymore thus, the torch has been passed.


To who? No one can ever answer this...probably because they know they're full of crap.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 03:41 PM

To who? No one can ever answer this...probably because they know they're full of crap.


From the DirecTV website:http://www.directv.c...iew?lpos=header


"DIRECTV is the undisputed leader in sports. .


No matter what teams you follow, no matter where you live, no one has you covered like DIRECTV.
From international soccer to college hoops to every out-of-market NFL game every Sunday—we have it."

Well, they don't have college hoops covered if they don't sign the PAC-12 Net, and TWC/Lakers channel, that also has plans to cover college hoops.So, I'd say TWC is quickly catching them.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 03:47 PM

That didn't answer my question. You said "it (DirecTV) isn't anymore thus, the torch has been passed." Who'd they pass it to? Who's the new sports leader?


As I just wrote:
"Well, they don't have college hoops covered if they don't sign the PAC-12 Net, and TWC/Lakers channel, that also has plans to cover college hoops. So, I'd say TWC is quickly catching them."

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 03:50 PM

From the DirecTV website:http://www.directv.c...iew?lpos=header


"DIRECTV is the undisputed leader in sports. .


No matter what teams you follow, no matter where you live, no one has you covered like DIRECTV.
From international soccer to college hoops to every out-of-market NFL game every Sunday—we have it."

Well, they don't have college hoops covered if they don't sign the PAC-12 Net, and TWC/Lakers channel, that also has plans to cover college hoops.So, I'd say TWC is quickly catching them.


No ST on TWC. TWC lacks multiple HD feeds for CI, LP & EI.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 03:51 PM

The only pro sports pack that Directv currently has over it's competitors is NFL Sunday Ticket.

Even NFL ST is losing it's value now with how many games are shown on national TV on a weekly basis on CBS, FOX, NBC,ESPN, and NFL Network.

NHL Center Ice, NBA League Pass, MLB Extra Innings, are also available on Cable providers, or Telco IPTV providers.

When the current exclusive deal for NFL ST is up for bid again.I seriously won't be surprised to see Directv lose it's long standing exclusivity and the service offered to other providers.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 03:53 PM

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NHL Center Ice, NBA League Pass, MLB Extra Innings, are also available on Cable provider, or Telco IPTV providers.

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With 1 or 2 HD Game channels because cable lacks bandwidth for practically every game in HD.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 04:03 PM

Just compare the number of RSN's they have to any other provider. It's a blowout. DirecTV is the sports leader. No one comes close.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 04:03 PM

The only pro sports pack that Directv currently has over it's competitors is NFL Sunday Ticket.

Even NFL ST is losing it's value now with how many games are shown on national TV on a weekly basis on CBS, FOX, NBC,ESPN, and NFL Network.


As I posted elsewhere, this is nonsense. We have had three games on networks during the day on Sunday forever. Sunday night and Monday night have been around for well over a decade. As has half a season of Thursday night games. So, an addition of 8 games per year (the new expanded Thursday night schedule) has made Sunday Ticket lose its value?

NHL Center Ice, NBA League Pass, MLB Extra Innings, are also available on Cable providers, or Telco IPTV providers.


Uh, no where near as good or as much. And ignore all the coverage of the grand slam events and the golf events and nascar and....

When the current exclusive deal for NFL ST is up for bid again.I seriously won't be surprised to see Directv lose it's long standing exclusivity and the service offered to other providers.


Yeah, we will see. No one else can handle the NFL like DirecTV does. No one provides them consistent coverage across the country (other than Dish) and no one else has the dedicated sports bandwidth for HD.

Despite Comcast's whining, they could not support the NFL even today. They just don't have the HD bandwidth everywhere. Crap, Comcast doesn't even have its own distribution system. None of them do. They all use a third party.

Nor does the NFL want more than one provider. That gets them in trouble with their networks, where the BIG bucks are.

Sunday Ticket is big to DirecTV. It is peanuts to the NFL.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 04:05 PM

The only pro sports pack that Directv currently has over it's competitors is NFL Sunday Ticket.

Even NFL ST is losing it's value now with how many games are shown on national TV on a weekly basis on CBS, FOX, NBC,ESPN, and NFL Network.

NHL Center Ice, NBA League Pass, MLB Extra Innings, are also available on Cable providers, or Telco IPTV providers.

When the current exclusive deal for NFL ST is up for bid again.I seriously won't be surprised to see Directv lose it's long standing exclusivity and the service offered to other providers.


As has already been explained, ST is exclusive for a reason and that won't change. Plus, DirecTV will have an exclusive period of time where only they can make a new bid for it again.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 04:09 PM

Does DirecTV have the Pac 12 Network? No...they're not the sports leader.


Sports leader is not defined by what they do not have, but what they do have. And DirecTV has more sports than any other provider, even without PAC12 they are still the sports leader.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 04:39 PM

Sports leader is not defined by what they do not have, but what they do have. And DirecTV has more sports than any other provider, even without PAC12 they are still the sports leader.


If the game I want to watch, like the UCLA-Cal game this coming Saturday isn't on my carrier, then I don't consider it the Sports Leader.
Since I'm the customer, it's my opinion that matters to me (the first rule of sales).

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:09 PM

If the game I want to watch, like the UCLA-Cal game this coming Saturday isn't on my carrier, then I don't consider it the Sports Leader.
Since I'm the customer, it's my opinion that matters to me (the first rule of sales).


Your opinion doesn't change the reality of the situation though. Only DirecTV can claim to be the sports leader. No one else comes close.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:14 PM

I would say the days of Directv being the sports leader are gone.


Who is then?
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:24 PM

Does DirecTV have the Pac 12 Network? No...they're not the sports leader.


As I asked earlier, if not D*, then who is?

Netflix lost Starz programming earlier this year and A&E programming the last few weeks....are they still not the video streaming leader despite Amazon having those services?

Just because DIRECTV doesn't have every sports channel, doesn't mean it isn't the sports leader. Just because Netflix doesn't have all the content, doesn't mean they aren't the leader in that space.

The reality is that D* carries more sports programming nationally, more sports hours, more sporting events, etc, than any other broadcaster in the United States.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:27 PM

As I just wrote:
"Well, they don't have college hoops covered if they don't sign the PAC-12 Net, and TWC/Lakers channel, that also has plans to cover college hoops. So, I'd say TWC is quickly catching them."


"Quickly catching them"...now equals leader?


Those two seem to be at odds in the definition departing....trying to catch means, by default, not leading. :)
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:28 PM

Who is then?


Let me re-phrase the discusssion.

Up until now, we never had a doubt that when a new sports channel came along that D* would carry it, if it could. It would take the fans' position and try to do what it could to obtain carriage. We know that channels such as CSNPhilly, CSNNW and other owners throw road blocks in D*'s way so they could keep their channel(s) off of its system, and we lived with it because we felt that D* was in our corner.

But now, things seem to have changed. I get the feeling D* is putting its interests ahead of ours, and that's the issue.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:33 PM

The only pro sports pack that Directv currently has over it's competitors is NFL Sunday Ticket.

Even NFL ST is losing it's value now with how many games are shown on national TV on a weekly basis on CBS, FOX, NBC,ESPN, and NFL Network.

NHL Center Ice, NBA League Pass, MLB Extra Innings, are also available on Cable providers, or Telco IPTV providers.

When the current exclusive deal for NFL ST is up for bid again.I seriously won't be surprised to see Directv lose it's long standing exclusivity and the service offered to other providers.


That's not entirely true. Just because some providers carry "MLB Extra Innings" doesn't mean they are delivering the same number of games in that sports package...same for League Pass, same for NHL Center Ice. Some of those systems have bandwidth constraints that do not allow them to deliver all the games on certain days, especially in HD. D* often carries dual broadcasts as well, providing both the home AND away feeds while some systems give you no choice even if you have to listen to the other team's announcer and graphics package.

D* also has NASCAR, that may not be your cup of tea but it is for many people. That's another 4 channels X 38 races.

D* carries more RSNs than anyone else. Sure, in some local markets a local cable company may have an RSN that D* doesn't carry, but that same cable company will not have all of the out of market RSNs either so that local advantage is trumped by the sheer volume of the other channels.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:44 PM

Let me re-phrase the discusssion.

Up until now, we never had a doubt that when a new sports channel came along that D* would carry it, if it could. It would take the fans' position and try to do what it could to obtain carriage. We know that channels such as CSNPhilly, CSNNW and other owners throw road blocks in D*'s way so they could keep their channel(s) off of its system, and we lived with it because we felt that D* was in our corner.

But now, things seem to have changed. I get the feeling D* is putting its interests ahead of ours, and that's the issue.



Sports fees are by far the highest cost of any basic programming. I'm a sports fan, you are a sports fan, many others are as well. We want our games. However, many people are not sports fans (HUGE NUMBERS of people) and as costs continue to rise and thus their bills, you cannot ignore the millions of customers you have that are equally passionate about not being sports fans and having their bills weighted so heavily by sports costs. If there was a way to strike a balance where the sports fans that are passionate would need to pay while protecting the rising costs of those that don't care about sports, that would be ideal. YES? Good luck because, oh by the way, that league \ channel wants every eyeball it can get to also sell advertising.

That is the rub.

Let's also be realistic that as D* was growing through the years and adding sports product and going after sports programming, the environment was a lot different. Now every NFL deal is costing billions whether it is D*, CBS, NBC, Fox. Far different than in the past. In the past, there was no such thing as college networks, yet now we have BTN, Pac 12, SEC about to come down the pipe. MLB rights deal just set a record. On and on and on. We're not talking about 5% annual increases, we're talking 20%, 30%, 50% type increases.

Now, that doesn't mean D* is no longer the sports leader. The facts are that D* has more sports than anyone else. PERIOD. The other reality, however, is that the world has changed and like any good business, you have to watch your costs, understand your customers (all kinds...sports fans, non sports fans, etc), and make the best decision possible. That is awfully tricky when on one side you have sports fans willing to pay anything to watch their games and millions of other customers on the other side not wanting to pay 1 cent for something they never watch and never will watch while the sports channel \ league is demanding distribution to pretty much everyone on the platform. Definitely makes it a challenging endeavor in my opinion.

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