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#451 OFFLINE   lcsenn

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 06:05 PM

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 06:28 PM

Wasn't Directv also one of the few carriers to pick up the NFL Network? I believe Time Warner has just now finally agreed to carry the channel.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 06:44 PM

Sports fees are by far the highest cost of any basic programming. I'm a sports fan, you are a sports fan, many others are as well. We want our games. However, many people are not sports fans (HUGE NUMBERS of people) and as costs continue to rise and thus their bills, you cannot ignore the millions of customers you have that are equally passionate about not being sports fans and having their bills weighted so heavily by sports costs. If there was a way to strike a balance where the sports fans that are passionate would need to pay while protecting the rising costs of those that don't care about sports, that would be ideal. YES? Good luck because, oh by the way, that league \ channel wants every eyeball it can get to also sell advertising.

That is the rub.

Let's also be realistic that as D* was growing through the years and adding sports product and going after sports programming, the environment was a lot different. Now every NFL deal is costing billions whether it is D*, CBS, NBC, Fox. Far different than in the past. In the past, there was no such thing as college networks, yet now we have BTN, Pac 12, SEC about to come down the pipe. MLB rights deal just set a record. On and on and on. We're not talking about 5% annual increases, we're talking 20%, 30%, 50% type increases.

Now, that doesn't mean D* is no longer the sports leader. The facts are that D* has more sports than anyone else. PERIOD. The other reality, however, is that the world has changed and like any good business, you have to watch your costs, understand your customers (all kinds...sports fans, non sports fans, etc), and make the best decision possible. That is awfully tricky when on one side you have sports fans willing to pay anything to watch their games and millions of other customers on the other side not wanting to pay 1 cent for something they never watch and never will watch while the sports channel \ league is demanding distribution to pretty much everyone on the platform. Definitely makes it a challenging endeavor in my opinion.


I agree Sat, so bring on ala carte pricing, carry everything, pay for only what you want and everybody's happy. This is something that sends chills down the spines of the cable and sat carriers, but if given the choice, would be the choice of almost every sub, no matter the carrier.
Sports costs are growing, but rights fees are not just based on sub fees, but reaching the high revenue buyers sought out by advertisers. Sports brings predicatbale ratings to the programming evidenced by the number of primetime football games on almost every night of the week .
We sub to 601 channels on D* and watch maybe 30. I'd pay for what I want if I didn't have to pay for channels I never watch, I'm sure the vast majority of all subs, no matter the carrier, are in the same situation.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 06:59 PM

Your opinion doesn't change the reality of the situation though. Only DirecTV can claim to be the sports leader. No one else comes close.


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 07:05 PM

I feel D* stance with the P12Nets, a la carte or bust, is the new business model they're attempting to establish. They're hoping it turns out to be a workaround allowing them to carry these RSN's the cable co. have hijacked, and they otherwise couldn't afford to carry. But they've yet to set precedent, so who knows if this is going to be a viable option? Until D* finds a solution, it's only going to get worse as more broadcast rights get picked up by cable. Not to mention how many additional uplinks they'll have to do on a daily basis to be able to keep offering duel feeds (home and away) for all of their league passes.


Perhaps, but then they need to do this with all of the niche sports channels, including Speed, Fuel, Pursuit, Sportsman, Golf, Tennis, etc. and they need to give Big 10 the same deal and so forth.

To pick on one sports channel (Pac 12) (or is it 7, whatever) is really ridiculous. I pay for all of the above named channels and all sorts of others that I never watch. Yet I cannot watch football/basketball, which is more mainstream and has more appeal than auto racing (not meaning to pick on the car racing folks), especially in the markets the Pac 12 exists

To me make them all ala carte and then I think all the customers would be fine. But some of those channels above wouldn't like it at all. They'd lose constant revenue streams from all of us that don't care. But let's treat them all equally if this is what we do.

But as long as competitors all do something different then Directv's effort at this is going to fail in the long run. I am leaving - Dish is coming to hook me up on Saturday and I am done w/Directv. Been a happy customer all this time, well out of contract - they'll pay me at least $20 off for a year, give me NFL Sunday Ticket, various pay movie channels to stay, etc. But they can't give me Pac 12? Not a chance.

In the end I know about 25 others that have left, are leaving, or are seriously considering it. For every 25 people I know there are probably others out there as well.

I call this the great customer purge of 2012.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 07:06 PM

Does DirecTV have the Pac 12 Network? No...they're not the sports leader.


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 07:13 PM

I agree Sat, so bring on ala carte pricing, carry everything, pay for only what you want and everybody's happy. This is something that sends chills down the spines of the cable and sat carriers, but if given the choice, would be the choice of almost every sub, no matter the carrier.
Sports costs are growing, but rights fees are not just based on sub fees, but reaching the high revenue buyers sought out by advertisers. Sports brings predicatbale ratings to the programming evidenced by the number of primetime football games on almost every night of the week .
We sub to 601 channels on D* and watch maybe 30. I'd pay for what I want if I didn't have to pay for channels I never watch, I'm sure the vast majority of all subs, no matter the carrier, are in the same situation.


It sends chills down the spines of customers. It means much higher prices and far fewer choices. A la carte is a horrible idea. It hasn't worked and it will not work. It's content providers who are opposed, not service providers.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 07:42 PM

I think instead of the providers having to pay these channels to be on their service the channels should provide their signals to all providers and let the provider act as a "gateway or pipeline" to get the channels, sort of like how the internet is now. If it wasn't for the providers these channels wouldn't be seen. The customers would then pay the provider, the "gateway" to get the channels, then the customer would pay for channels in packages. You want basics, pay for basics. You want sports, pay for sports. You want both, you pay for both.

I'm sure the channels wouldn't go for this, but something needs to change.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 08:16 PM

Enjoying the channel live right now in HD on my TWC box.

Kevin Frazier had Kobe in studio and did a great interview with Kobe Bryant

Andy Adler just interviewed Landon Donovan.

Dwight Howard is next to be interviewed along with Steve Nash.

Backstage Lakers premiere episode starts at 9PM tonight.

Also successfully tested the streaming options on the www.twcsportsnet.com site and also on the IOS app installed on both my iphone 5 and ipad 3.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 08:33 PM

Dodger fans be prepared to go through the same thing starting in the 2014 season.

Magic Johnson who is a big part of the Dodgers new ownership group is at the event being interviewed by Andy Adler.

I have no doubt behind the scenes at the launch party that Time Warner is dropping hints and having conversations with him about joining TWC SportsNet when the Dodgers TV contract expires with Fox Sports Net in late 2013.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 08:39 PM

Dodger fans be prepared to go through the same thing starting in the 2014 season.

Magic Johnson who is a big part of the Dodgers new ownership group is at the event being interviewed by Andy Adler.

I have no doubt behind the scenes at the launch party that Time Warner is dropping hints and having conversations with him about joining TWC SportsNet when the Dodgers TV contract expires with Fox Sports Net in late 2013.


Let us know if they announce a single carriage deal.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 08:41 PM

Let us know if they announce a single carriage deal.


Do your own research !

Your nothing but a D* fanboy.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 08:49 PM

Do your own research !

Your nothing but a D* fanboy.


I was being sarcastic. We already know they have ZERO deals. The pressure is on TWC.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 08:52 PM

I think that we are at the point that any new stations coming on board now will have to expect to be in higher tiers or a la cart for just that channel with Directv, while existing channels they already have are probably pretty safe. I see a hybrid approach for Directvs future.

I think a package of college sports channels would be good, put the conference channels in there, along with espnu, etc...


I also think they need to figure out a way to go to three main packages instead of two, and split a few more channels apart.

Might also be good to have a separate package for sports channels dedicated to the second tier sports, so outdoor horse racing etc could be a separate package...

They will never go full a la cart, but it would be good if they could split things a little more and that alone might make it easier to defray the costs of the additional channels without upsetting customers to much more than they are already getting annoyed with all the rate increases from any and all carriers.

With that said, I want my Lakers, but My choices are Directv and Charter, so I am still screwed at the moment.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:01 PM

Enjoying the channel live right now in HD on my TWC box.

Kevin Frazier had Kobe in studio and did a great interview with Kobe Bryant

Andy Adler just interviewed Landon Donovan.

Dwight Howard is next to be interviewed along with Steve Nash.

Backstage Lakers premiere episode starts at 9PM tonight.

Also successfully tested the streaming options on the www.twcsportsnet.com site and also on the IOS app installed on both my iphone 5 and ipad 3.


WoW, Landon Donovan. Who dat? I saw a great interview with Nash, Howard, Kobe today on DirecTV, and KSPN radio had Metta, Howard, and Kobe live IN Studio. My computer is connected to my 52" HDTV.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:03 PM

Dodger fans be prepared to go through the same thing starting in the 2014 season.

Magic Johnson who is a big part of the Dodgers new ownership group is at the event being interviewed by Andy Adler.

I have no doubt behind the scenes at the launch party that Time Warner is dropping hints and having conversations with him about joining TWC SportsNet when the Dodgers TV contract expires with Fox Sports Net in late 2013.


If the Dodgers do end up with TWC, does that mean that another channel would have to be created to accommodate the times in which the Dodgers and Lakers would be playing at the exact same time? (In late March/ early April, the Dodgers would be in spring training and beginning their regular season, while the Lakers would just be finishing up their regular season). Not to mention, the Galaxy season begins some time in March/April, as well. I wonder how they will handle those possible overlaps.

Overflow feeds perhaps? If not, if a new channel does get created for the Dodgers, would that mean that negotiations would start all over again for it and not be part of the initial agreement to carry TWC SportsNet for TV service providers?
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:43 PM

But Direct TV is fighting for you, the consumer. Just like they do in Philly.... Have fun missing your local team but rest assured that D* and certain DBS talk posters are fighting for Direct TV, wait you. Or?

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:55 PM

I agree Sat, so bring on ala carte pricing, carry everything, pay for only what you want and everybody's happy. This is something that sends chills down the spines of the cable and sat carriers, but if given the choice, would be the choice of almost every sub, no matter the carrier.
Sports costs are growing, but rights fees are not just based on sub fees, but reaching the high revenue buyers sought out by advertisers. Sports brings predicatbale ratings to the programming evidenced by the number of primetime football games on almost every night of the week .
We sub to 601 channels on D* and watch maybe 30. I'd pay for what I want if I didn't have to pay for channels I never watch, I'm sure the vast majority of all subs, no matter the carrier, are in the same situation.


Sure, and that ESPN that is going for $4.50 or whatever it is, now it's $10 to $15. Etc, etc. That's the problem with a la carte pricing and why it doesn't work. People in Canada are learning that right now. Yup, they lower their bill because they are only buying what they watch and instead of getting 150 channels for $75 they're getting 20 for $45. A la carte means less choice, far less diversity of offerings, etc, etc. On the sports side, it would basically destroy the leagues revenue system (we can argue whether that is a good or bad thing). Quick example, ESPN just recently spent several billion on Monday Night Football rights. Those dollars go to the league and eventually to the players via the salary cap and each team's chunk of the pie. ESPN bid billions KNOWING what bird they have in hand with X number of millions of subscribers across D*, Dish, Fios, UVerse, Cable, etc because they are penetrated about 90% on all base packages, whether people want ESPN or not.

Now, make ESPN a la carte, the cost goes up to $10 to $15 MINIMUM per month per subscriber to cover those same costs..that is if people are even willing to pay the price.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:58 PM

Nobody is denying that D* has the most sports... PERIOD...


Yes, several people just in the last 12 hours on this very thread
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:00 PM

Perhaps, but then they need to do this with all of the niche sports channels, including Speed, Fuel, Pursuit, Sportsman, Golf, Tennis, etc. and they need to give Big 10 the same deal and so forth.

To pick on one sports channel (Pac 12) (or is it 7, whatever) is really ridiculous. I pay for all of the above named channels and all sorts of others that I never watch. Yet I cannot watch football/basketball, which is more mainstream and has more appeal than auto racing (not meaning to pick on the car racing folks), especially in the markets the Pac 12 exists

To me make them all ala carte and then I think all the customers would be fine. But some of those channels above wouldn't like it at all. They'd lose constant revenue streams from all of us that don't care. But let's treat them all equally if this is what we do.

But as long as competitors all do something different then Directv's effort at this is going to fail in the long run. I am leaving - Dish is coming to hook me up on Saturday and I am done w/Directv. Been a happy customer all this time, well out of contract - they'll pay me at least $20 off for a year, give me NFL Sunday Ticket, various pay movie channels to stay, etc. But they can't give me Pac 12? Not a chance.

In the end I know about 25 others that have left, are leaving, or are seriously considering it. For every 25 people I know there are probably others out there as well.

I call this the great customer purge of 2012.


That would be great if all the contracts were up at the same time, but they're not. You can't just unilaterally do that to the B10 if there are years left on the current deal. Same with the others you mentioned. You can't just "make them all a la carte" for that very reason, there are governing contracts that exist.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:02 PM

As I asked earlier, if not D*, then who is?

Netflix lost Starz programming earlier this year and A&E programming the last few weeks....are they still not the video streaming leader despite Amazon having those services?

Just because DIRECTV doesn't have every sports channel, doesn't mean it isn't the sports leader. Just because Netflix doesn't have all the content, doesn't mean they aren't the leader in that space.

The reality is that D* carries more sports programming nationally, more sports hours, more sporting events, etc, than any other broadcaster in the United States.


If cheapo Dish Network has the Pac 12 Network, then it is an EMBARRASSMENT that DirecTV does not have it...plain and simple. Accept their terms like Dish did...IT MAKES NO SENSE TO NOT CARRY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:04 PM

In general I've stayed out of this one except for a few comments. Even though I am in Southern California, I an not a basketball fan, so I feel I have little to say here. However, if ABC is to be believed, TWC is asking over $3 per subscriber per month for this channel. Given other constraints I believe this would equate to a $10 per month increase to my bill for one channel. That is absolutely not something I am interested in, and I am not alone.

It seems to me that if a fair price were being asked for this channel then deals would be done.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:08 PM

If cheapo Dish Network has the Pac 12 Network, then it is an EMBARRASSMENT that DirecTV does not have it...plain and simple. Accept their terms like Dish did...IT MAKES NO SENSE TO NOT CARRY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 11:01 PM

I believe it is reverting to no one. As Directv loses programing that was part of other things they will slide back to the others. They still have more sports over all I agree.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 11:48 PM

I believe it is reverting to no one. As Directv loses programing that was part of other things they will slide back to the others. They still have more sports over all I agree.


How is it that you can say it is reverting over...what...three channels? (These two and the PAC-12 Network.) It's not that they merely have more...they have vastly more. More sports packages, more sports channels, and more event specialty channels. It's an incredible difference between them and second place. DirecTV hasn't done anything to slide back unless you count GolTV (which lost most of its content) and G4 (which was a shell of its former self). What they have actually done is built upon their massive lead. The cable companies aren't going to catch up for various reasons. That leaves Dish Network. They have had about 16 years and haven't made a dent in DirecTV's sports lead.
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