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#526 ONLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 02:34 PM

On DISH?


Who cares about how dish is doing it? I am saying if DirecTV carries it they would make it full time, so dish can pound sound...

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 02:40 PM

Who cares about how dish is doing it? I am saying if DirecTV carries it they would make it full time, so dish can pound sound...


Isn't this why they claim to be the New Sports leader. The most Part Time Sports in HD.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 03:01 PM

I don't know, they likely want close to all games but there is a big difference when you consider there are twice as many games, and probably half as many on national tv, so there are so many more games.... Taking on a partner, even if it where only for the first half of the season might to make some sense. They could also always go the overflow channel route...



Very good points.

By the way, the YES Network carries both Yankees (MLB) and Nets (NBA). Does anyone know how they handle overlapping games? Do either the Yankees or Nets have a local TV partner or affiliate? Or are all games, basketball and baseball, exclusively all on YES? (excluding national broadcasts, such as the ones on ESPN, of course)
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 03:05 PM

They wouldn't black out the team if they have both channels available, but if they don't carry the local channel that is also showing the game, then they might black it out. That's my point, does anyone live in an home market and have a carrier that does not carry the local RSN that has your teams games? If so, do they black out the espn when they are showing your home teams?


It doesn't matter...ESPN games are never blacked out.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 03:27 PM

On DISH?


The station ITSELF is 24/7 HD. All 7 networks are. Cable providers mostly carry at least 2 of those in full time HD (the national and the local).

Dish carries just the NATIONAL network as full time HD, and has extra feeds for games not shown on the national network.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 03:30 PM

You are still assuming that espn won't be blacked out here. I think it will be. I think we will only get ABC and TNT games, as they are the only ones with exclusive broadcasts.


ESPN games are never blacked out. As a matter of fact, when the Angels or Dodgers play on ESPN, it is the Fox Sports feed that is blacked out, so it is the other way around. (I noticed this when I tuned in to 692 one night for an Angels game and was confronted with a blackout.... took me a few moments to realize the game was on ESPN). This is one of the reasons ESPN is so expensive by the way, when they buy rights to a game they buy it for the entire country, no blackouts.

You'll get all ESPN, ABC, TNT games. The only games that might be subject to a blackout is NBA TV, but if TWC has not signed deals with *anyone* I wouldn't be surprised the NBA is allowed to show the game. We'll have to wait and see.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 04:59 PM

Isn't this why they claim to be the New Sports leader. The most Part Time Sports in HD.


Well, they're certainly the college sports leader. 2 Pac 12 football games a week are completely unavailable to DirecTV subscribers...it's a travesty that the suits at DirecTV are putting their own financial desires ahead of what their customers want. I hope they lose a ton of people over it.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 05:01 PM

Well, they're certainly the college sports leader. 2 Pac 12 football games a week are completely unavailable to DirecTV subscribers...it's a travesty that the suits at DirecTV are putting their own financial desires ahead of what their customers want. I hope they lose a ton of people over it.


No they are not. DirecTV offers far more college sports.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 05:28 PM

Well, regardless of whether they are the "sports leader" or not, the landscape is changing IMO. Other providers are seeing cracks in DirecTV's sports armor and they're obviously going after it, who wouldn't if you were sitting in the president's office of Comcast, Dish or whomever? I would.

I bet things are much different once contracts start coming up for renewal. Considering DirecTV's seemingly new stance, while other providers are willing and all too eager to take up and distribute any sports programming they can grab, the tide is slowly shifting and five years from now things could be totally different.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 05:30 PM

Well, regardless of whether they are the "sports leader" or not, the landscape is changing IMO. Other providers are seeing cracks in DirecTV's sports armor and they're obviously going after it, who wouldn't if you were sitting in the president's office of Comcast, Dish or whomever? I would.

I bet things are much different once contracts start coming up for renewal. Considering DirecTV's seemingly new stance, while other providers are willing and all too eager to take up and distribute any sports programming they can grab, the tide is slowly shifting and five years from now things could be totally different.


Or not.

We haven't seen them play hardball with any sports renewals yet.

Only place they have on renewal was Viacom and that was pretty obvious what Viacom was trying to do. And they settled within days.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 05:38 PM

Well, they're certainly the college sports leader. 2 Pac 12 football games a week are completely unavailable to DirecTV subscribers...it's a travesty that the suits at DirecTV are putting their own financial desires ahead of what their customers want. I hope they lose a ton of people over it.


No they are not. DirecTV offers far more college sports.


There is a lot of discussion in this thread about whether DirecTV is the "sports leader." Some say yes and others are now saying no. You have to look at how they are defining what sports leader means to them. For some, it is defined by the total amount of sports shown on DirecTV. For others, it is defined by the ability to watch their favorite teams. Currently in L.A, you cannot watch Lakers, Sparks, Galaxy, USC, and UCLA unless the game is on a national channel.

Yes, DirecTV is the sports leader because they show the most sports, but the claim falls short on a personal level when you can't watch your favorite teams.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 05:46 PM

Doesn't explain why some people in the same market have it, and some don't...


It's not driven by market, driven by zip code. Pricing for RSNs is subject to the zip code. So you can have two customers in the same market, but in one zip code the rate D* pays the RSN is X while another customer in the same market but different zip code D* has to pay RSN X *5 as an example. Example purposes only, but that's how that stuff works. Territories are carved out by zip codes, not by DMA. A good way to explain this is the Lakers territory which goes to Vegas, Hawaii, up to Santa Barbara, down to San Diego, etc, but the rates are different even within a DMA.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:02 PM

Or not.

We haven't seen them play hardball with any sports renewals yet.

Only place they have on renewal was Viacom and that was pretty obvious what Viacom was trying to do. And they settled within days.


I wouldn't call the PAC-12 network negotiations soft by any means and I would probably be wise to guess the TWC stalemate will go on well into the season as well, if it ever gets signed at all this year.

It probably pains DirecTV to have to sign on the dotted line of their competitor, empowering them as much or even more than DirecTV. I probably wouldn't sign either, but that still doesn't negate the high probability that in five year's time, DirecTV's sports position will be compromised, as it's already slipping in my eyes.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:03 PM

Very good points.

By the way, the YES Network carries both Yankees (MLB) and Nets (NBA). Does anyone know how they handle overlapping games? Do either the Yankees or Nets have a local TV partner or affiliate? Or are all games, basketball and baseball, exclusively all on YES? (excluding national broadcasts, such as the ones on ESPN, of course)

Yes has an alternate feed. A few Yankees games are carried on channel 9. In the past, there had been Nets games in April/may that were also carried by channel 9 - I remembered one season finale Veronica Mars episode shown in ny like 1am because of the Nets. I don't know if channel 9 will carry any games next spring, though.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:23 PM

Though how much is attributed to the cost of sports programming is not indicated;

http://techcrunch.co...tv-train-wreck/

Still yea, as the article says, "something's gotta give." DIRECTV's programming cost have grown some 32% over the past five years. :eek2:

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Its no wonder they're stalling on adding the Pac 12 and TWC SporstNet along with experiencing a constant stream of disputes with the non-sports program providers and OTA station groups.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:49 PM

ESPN games are never blacked out. As a matter of fact, when the Angels or Dodgers play on ESPN, it is the Fox Sports feed that is blacked out, so it is the other way around. (I noticed this when I tuned in to 692 one night for an Angels game and was confronted with a blackout.... took me a few moments to realize the game was on ESPN). This is one of the reasons ESPN is so expensive by the way, when they buy rights to a game they buy it for the entire country, no blackouts.

You'll get all ESPN, ABC, TNT games. The only games that might be subject to a blackout is NBA TV, but if TWC has not signed deals with *anyone* I wouldn't be surprised the NBA is allowed to show the game. We'll have to wait and see.


Are you sure about that. I already thought in MLB and i pretty sure i am right that ESPN is blackout in the team market for that game. So if the Angels are playing the Rangers on a Wednesday and i on ESPN. it get blackout in the team market. Where in SO cal do you like. I know in the NBA ESPN games are not blackout. but in MLB they are in the team market.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:56 PM

Let's not forget that our prices have also increased substantially over the last five years as well.

I also see that executive comp is up as well at Directv over the same time period.

Maybe this has all finally bottomed out and the apocalypse is ready to happen.

Though how much is attributed to the cost of sports programming is not indicated;

http://techcrunch.co...tv-train-wreck/

Still yea, as the article says, "something's gotta give." DIRECTV's programming cost have grown some 32% over the past five years. :eek2:

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Its no wonder they're stalling on adding the Pac 12 and TWC SporstNet along with experiencing a constant stream of disputes with the non-sports program providers and OTA station groups.



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Posted 02 October 2012 - 07:33 PM

I wouldn't call the PAC-12 network negotiations soft by any means and I would probably be wise to guess the TWC stalemate will go on well into the season as well, if it ever gets signed at all this year.

It probably pains DirecTV to have to sign on the dotted line of their competitor, empowering them as much or even more than DirecTV. I probably wouldn't sign either, but that still doesn't negate the high probability that in five year's time, DirecTV's sports position will be compromised, as it's already slipping in my eyes.


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 08:02 PM

Let's not forget that our prices have also increased substantially over the last five years as well.

I also see that executive comp is up as well at Directv over the same time period.

Maybe this has all finally bottomed out and the apocalypse is ready to happen.


They haven't increased at the rate of the programming costs. Annual price increases have been about 4% to 4.5%. Programming costs about 10% per year the last few years.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 08:26 PM

If DirecTV doesn't kiss the NFL with loads of money come 2014, or the NFL decides to expand out-of-market distribution, and if DirecTV continues to play Dish Network of yesterday, they'll be in trouble in my opinion, as the more affluent demographics DirecTV so proudly touts to the finance sector and advertisers, flee.

Just guessing, but it's plausible, especially the NFL's desire to expand distribution.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 08:42 PM

If DirecTV doesn't kiss the NFL with loads of money come 2014, or the NFL decides to expand out-of-market distribution, and if DirecTV continues to play Dish Network of yesterday, they'll be in trouble in my opinion, as the more affluent demographics DirecTV so proudly touts to the finance sector and advertisers, flee.

Just guessing, but it's plausible, especially the NFL's desire to expand distribution.


No it isn't. The NFL wants ST to be an exclusive package for a reason and DirecTV will have first dibs on a new agreement. They paid $4 billion last time and have been more successful than ever since.

Dish Network of yesterday? DirecTV has had very few public retrans disputes. They have retained and added channels, while Dish Network has dropped and openly mocked content providers. Dish Network is the Dish Network of yesterday.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:12 PM

I just wonder how long it will take Lakers executives to grow impatient with TWC for not signing distribution deals.


Good point! Let's hope not too long.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:25 PM

ESPN games are never blacked out. As a matter of fact, when the Angels or Dodgers play on ESPN, it is the Fox Sports feed that is blacked out, so it is the other way around. (I noticed this when I tuned in to 692 one night for an Angels game and was confronted with a blackout.... took me a few moments to realize the game was on ESPN). This is one of the reasons ESPN is so expensive by the way, when they buy rights to a game they buy it for the entire country, no blackouts.

You'll get all ESPN, ABC, TNT games. The only games that might be subject to a blackout is NBA TV, but if TWC has not signed deals with *anyone* I wouldn't be surprised the NBA is allowed to show the game. We'll have to wait and see.


I have NEVER seen a FSN west baseball game blacked out because a game was on espn. EVER. That doesn't happen. If a game is on espn and its exclusive, then they just don't have the game, period, there is nothing to blackout. What game and what day did you see this? Something else was going on, there would be no point in them doing a broadcast for the game for this market if it was going to be blacked out. I caught myself tuning to 694 a couple times and seeing it say blacked out for a dodger game, but then I realized my mistake.. :)

Your dreaming if TWC is going to be ok with the nba relaxing its blackout rules for the Lakers if they don't have more carriage agreements.. :)

And I do see games blacked out on espn for college football if they are showing the game on our abc as well, and then you can watch the reverse mirror feed of the alternate channel instead, although that's not too often.

While I hope you all are right, until I see them hold to that, I won't bet on it, because again, I know of no market where this issue exists now and we have heard from someone whats happened in their market. I wish someone from Portland area was around, maybe they could tells us if they still get their espn games if its a blazers home game and they are on the Comcast sports channel?

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:43 PM

I have NEVER seen a FSN west baseball game blacked out because a game was on espn. EVER. That doesn't happen. If a game is on espn and its exclusive, then they just don't have the game, period, there is nothing to blackout. What game and what day did you see this? Something else was going on, there would be no point in them doing a broadcast for the game for this market if it was going to be blacked out. I caught myself tuning to 694 a couple times and seeing it say blacked out for a dodger game, but then I realized my mistake.. :)

Your dreaming if TWC is going to be ok with the nba relaxing its blackout rules for the Lakers if they don't have more carriage agreements.. :)

And I do see games blacked out on espn for college football if they are showing the game on our abc as well, and then you can watch the reverse mirror feed of the alternate channel instead, although that's not too often.

While I hope you all are right, until I see them hold to that, I won't bet on it, because again, I know of no market where this issue exists now and we have heard from someone whats happened in their market. I wish someone from Portland area was around, maybe they could tells us if they still get their espn games if its a blazers home game and they are on the Comcast sports channel?


We only get Blazer game blackouts on NBATV. Never blacked out on ESPN. I bitched about the blackouts here in Eugene, since we are over 100 miles away and don't get the local Portland channels or CSNNW. I should not be blacked out!

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 10:48 PM

Whenever the Blazers are on ESPN, they're shown over-the-air on the local NBC affiliate (KGW), rather than CSNNW. Ironically, I live in Los Angeles and get to see almost all of the CSNNW games on League Pass, where a good portion of the NW is shut out. Today the Blazers said they don't know if they're going to offer streaming this season of the Comcast games to the areas that can't get them otherwise. Last season they negotiated a deal with Comcast that allowed them to sell games for $2.99 each, or around $70 for the season. Remember, the Blazers own the broadcast rights to these areas and those people would be blacked out on League Pass.

Now it looks like Lakers and Rockets fans will be in the same boat as Sixers and Blazers fans. Someone should look up which other professional markets Comcast and TWC have coverage in. I'm expecting to see more of these cable deals down the road making it even more difficult on D*.

Btw, whenever the Dodgers are on ESPN in Los Angeles it's blacked out to protect the Prime Ticket and KCAL broadcasts.


Don't give up on CSN Huston yet the teams are big owners.


Also CSN Chicago seems safe (teams own 80%) and it's loaded with ATT U-Verse ad's.
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