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#441 OFFLINE   Hoosier205

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 04:05 PM

The only pro sports pack that Directv currently has over it's competitors is NFL Sunday Ticket.

Even NFL ST is losing it's value now with how many games are shown on national TV on a weekly basis on CBS, FOX, NBC,ESPN, and NFL Network.

NHL Center Ice, NBA League Pass, MLB Extra Innings, are also available on Cable providers, or Telco IPTV providers.

When the current exclusive deal for NFL ST is up for bid again.I seriously won't be surprised to see Directv lose it's long standing exclusivity and the service offered to other providers.


As has already been explained, ST is exclusive for a reason and that won't change. Plus, DirecTV will have an exclusive period of time where only they can make a new bid for it again.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 04:09 PM

Does DirecTV have the Pac 12 Network? No...they're not the sports leader.


Sports leader is not defined by what they do not have, but what they do have. And DirecTV has more sports than any other provider, even without PAC12 they are still the sports leader.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 04:39 PM

Sports leader is not defined by what they do not have, but what they do have. And DirecTV has more sports than any other provider, even without PAC12 they are still the sports leader.


If the game I want to watch, like the UCLA-Cal game this coming Saturday isn't on my carrier, then I don't consider it the Sports Leader.
Since I'm the customer, it's my opinion that matters to me (the first rule of sales).

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:09 PM

If the game I want to watch, like the UCLA-Cal game this coming Saturday isn't on my carrier, then I don't consider it the Sports Leader.
Since I'm the customer, it's my opinion that matters to me (the first rule of sales).


Your opinion doesn't change the reality of the situation though. Only DirecTV can claim to be the sports leader. No one else comes close.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:14 PM

I would say the days of Directv being the sports leader are gone.


Who is then?
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:24 PM

Does DirecTV have the Pac 12 Network? No...they're not the sports leader.


As I asked earlier, if not D*, then who is?

Netflix lost Starz programming earlier this year and A&E programming the last few weeks....are they still not the video streaming leader despite Amazon having those services?

Just because DIRECTV doesn't have every sports channel, doesn't mean it isn't the sports leader. Just because Netflix doesn't have all the content, doesn't mean they aren't the leader in that space.

The reality is that D* carries more sports programming nationally, more sports hours, more sporting events, etc, than any other broadcaster in the United States.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:27 PM

As I just wrote:
"Well, they don't have college hoops covered if they don't sign the PAC-12 Net, and TWC/Lakers channel, that also has plans to cover college hoops. So, I'd say TWC is quickly catching them."


"Quickly catching them"...now equals leader?


Those two seem to be at odds in the definition departing....trying to catch means, by default, not leading. :)
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:28 PM

Who is then?


Let me re-phrase the discusssion.

Up until now, we never had a doubt that when a new sports channel came along that D* would carry it, if it could. It would take the fans' position and try to do what it could to obtain carriage. We know that channels such as CSNPhilly, CSNNW and other owners throw road blocks in D*'s way so they could keep their channel(s) off of its system, and we lived with it because we felt that D* was in our corner.

But now, things seem to have changed. I get the feeling D* is putting its interests ahead of ours, and that's the issue.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:33 PM

The only pro sports pack that Directv currently has over it's competitors is NFL Sunday Ticket.

Even NFL ST is losing it's value now with how many games are shown on national TV on a weekly basis on CBS, FOX, NBC,ESPN, and NFL Network.

NHL Center Ice, NBA League Pass, MLB Extra Innings, are also available on Cable providers, or Telco IPTV providers.

When the current exclusive deal for NFL ST is up for bid again.I seriously won't be surprised to see Directv lose it's long standing exclusivity and the service offered to other providers.


That's not entirely true. Just because some providers carry "MLB Extra Innings" doesn't mean they are delivering the same number of games in that sports package...same for League Pass, same for NHL Center Ice. Some of those systems have bandwidth constraints that do not allow them to deliver all the games on certain days, especially in HD. D* often carries dual broadcasts as well, providing both the home AND away feeds while some systems give you no choice even if you have to listen to the other team's announcer and graphics package.

D* also has NASCAR, that may not be your cup of tea but it is for many people. That's another 4 channels X 38 races.

D* carries more RSNs than anyone else. Sure, in some local markets a local cable company may have an RSN that D* doesn't carry, but that same cable company will not have all of the out of market RSNs either so that local advantage is trumped by the sheer volume of the other channels.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:44 PM

Let me re-phrase the discusssion.

Up until now, we never had a doubt that when a new sports channel came along that D* would carry it, if it could. It would take the fans' position and try to do what it could to obtain carriage. We know that channels such as CSNPhilly, CSNNW and other owners throw road blocks in D*'s way so they could keep their channel(s) off of its system, and we lived with it because we felt that D* was in our corner.

But now, things seem to have changed. I get the feeling D* is putting its interests ahead of ours, and that's the issue.



Sports fees are by far the highest cost of any basic programming. I'm a sports fan, you are a sports fan, many others are as well. We want our games. However, many people are not sports fans (HUGE NUMBERS of people) and as costs continue to rise and thus their bills, you cannot ignore the millions of customers you have that are equally passionate about not being sports fans and having their bills weighted so heavily by sports costs. If there was a way to strike a balance where the sports fans that are passionate would need to pay while protecting the rising costs of those that don't care about sports, that would be ideal. YES? Good luck because, oh by the way, that league \ channel wants every eyeball it can get to also sell advertising.

That is the rub.

Let's also be realistic that as D* was growing through the years and adding sports product and going after sports programming, the environment was a lot different. Now every NFL deal is costing billions whether it is D*, CBS, NBC, Fox. Far different than in the past. In the past, there was no such thing as college networks, yet now we have BTN, Pac 12, SEC about to come down the pipe. MLB rights deal just set a record. On and on and on. We're not talking about 5% annual increases, we're talking 20%, 30%, 50% type increases.

Now, that doesn't mean D* is no longer the sports leader. The facts are that D* has more sports than anyone else. PERIOD. The other reality, however, is that the world has changed and like any good business, you have to watch your costs, understand your customers (all kinds...sports fans, non sports fans, etc), and make the best decision possible. That is awfully tricky when on one side you have sports fans willing to pay anything to watch their games and millions of other customers on the other side not wanting to pay 1 cent for something they never watch and never will watch while the sports channel \ league is demanding distribution to pretty much everyone on the platform. Definitely makes it a challenging endeavor in my opinion.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 06:05 PM

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 06:28 PM

Wasn't Directv also one of the few carriers to pick up the NFL Network? I believe Time Warner has just now finally agreed to carry the channel.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 06:44 PM

Sports fees are by far the highest cost of any basic programming. I'm a sports fan, you are a sports fan, many others are as well. We want our games. However, many people are not sports fans (HUGE NUMBERS of people) and as costs continue to rise and thus their bills, you cannot ignore the millions of customers you have that are equally passionate about not being sports fans and having their bills weighted so heavily by sports costs. If there was a way to strike a balance where the sports fans that are passionate would need to pay while protecting the rising costs of those that don't care about sports, that would be ideal. YES? Good luck because, oh by the way, that league \ channel wants every eyeball it can get to also sell advertising.

That is the rub.

Let's also be realistic that as D* was growing through the years and adding sports product and going after sports programming, the environment was a lot different. Now every NFL deal is costing billions whether it is D*, CBS, NBC, Fox. Far different than in the past. In the past, there was no such thing as college networks, yet now we have BTN, Pac 12, SEC about to come down the pipe. MLB rights deal just set a record. On and on and on. We're not talking about 5% annual increases, we're talking 20%, 30%, 50% type increases.

Now, that doesn't mean D* is no longer the sports leader. The facts are that D* has more sports than anyone else. PERIOD. The other reality, however, is that the world has changed and like any good business, you have to watch your costs, understand your customers (all kinds...sports fans, non sports fans, etc), and make the best decision possible. That is awfully tricky when on one side you have sports fans willing to pay anything to watch their games and millions of other customers on the other side not wanting to pay 1 cent for something they never watch and never will watch while the sports channel \ league is demanding distribution to pretty much everyone on the platform. Definitely makes it a challenging endeavor in my opinion.


I agree Sat, so bring on ala carte pricing, carry everything, pay for only what you want and everybody's happy. This is something that sends chills down the spines of the cable and sat carriers, but if given the choice, would be the choice of almost every sub, no matter the carrier.
Sports costs are growing, but rights fees are not just based on sub fees, but reaching the high revenue buyers sought out by advertisers. Sports brings predicatbale ratings to the programming evidenced by the number of primetime football games on almost every night of the week .
We sub to 601 channels on D* and watch maybe 30. I'd pay for what I want if I didn't have to pay for channels I never watch, I'm sure the vast majority of all subs, no matter the carrier, are in the same situation.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 06:59 PM

Your opinion doesn't change the reality of the situation though. Only DirecTV can claim to be the sports leader. No one else comes close.


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 07:05 PM

I feel D* stance with the P12Nets, a la carte or bust, is the new business model they're attempting to establish. They're hoping it turns out to be a workaround allowing them to carry these RSN's the cable co. have hijacked, and they otherwise couldn't afford to carry. But they've yet to set precedent, so who knows if this is going to be a viable option? Until D* finds a solution, it's only going to get worse as more broadcast rights get picked up by cable. Not to mention how many additional uplinks they'll have to do on a daily basis to be able to keep offering duel feeds (home and away) for all of their league passes.


Perhaps, but then they need to do this with all of the niche sports channels, including Speed, Fuel, Pursuit, Sportsman, Golf, Tennis, etc. and they need to give Big 10 the same deal and so forth.

To pick on one sports channel (Pac 12) (or is it 7, whatever) is really ridiculous. I pay for all of the above named channels and all sorts of others that I never watch. Yet I cannot watch football/basketball, which is more mainstream and has more appeal than auto racing (not meaning to pick on the car racing folks), especially in the markets the Pac 12 exists

To me make them all ala carte and then I think all the customers would be fine. But some of those channels above wouldn't like it at all. They'd lose constant revenue streams from all of us that don't care. But let's treat them all equally if this is what we do.

But as long as competitors all do something different then Directv's effort at this is going to fail in the long run. I am leaving - Dish is coming to hook me up on Saturday and I am done w/Directv. Been a happy customer all this time, well out of contract - they'll pay me at least $20 off for a year, give me NFL Sunday Ticket, various pay movie channels to stay, etc. But they can't give me Pac 12? Not a chance.

In the end I know about 25 others that have left, are leaving, or are seriously considering it. For every 25 people I know there are probably others out there as well.

I call this the great customer purge of 2012.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 07:06 PM

Does DirecTV have the Pac 12 Network? No...they're not the sports leader.


Agreed!:):):);)

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 07:13 PM

I agree Sat, so bring on ala carte pricing, carry everything, pay for only what you want and everybody's happy. This is something that sends chills down the spines of the cable and sat carriers, but if given the choice, would be the choice of almost every sub, no matter the carrier.
Sports costs are growing, but rights fees are not just based on sub fees, but reaching the high revenue buyers sought out by advertisers. Sports brings predicatbale ratings to the programming evidenced by the number of primetime football games on almost every night of the week .
We sub to 601 channels on D* and watch maybe 30. I'd pay for what I want if I didn't have to pay for channels I never watch, I'm sure the vast majority of all subs, no matter the carrier, are in the same situation.


It sends chills down the spines of customers. It means much higher prices and far fewer choices. A la carte is a horrible idea. It hasn't worked and it will not work. It's content providers who are opposed, not service providers.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 07:42 PM

I think instead of the providers having to pay these channels to be on their service the channels should provide their signals to all providers and let the provider act as a "gateway or pipeline" to get the channels, sort of like how the internet is now. If it wasn't for the providers these channels wouldn't be seen. The customers would then pay the provider, the "gateway" to get the channels, then the customer would pay for channels in packages. You want basics, pay for basics. You want sports, pay for sports. You want both, you pay for both.

I'm sure the channels wouldn't go for this, but something needs to change.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 08:16 PM

Enjoying the channel live right now in HD on my TWC box.

Kevin Frazier had Kobe in studio and did a great interview with Kobe Bryant

Andy Adler just interviewed Landon Donovan.

Dwight Howard is next to be interviewed along with Steve Nash.

Backstage Lakers premiere episode starts at 9PM tonight.

Also successfully tested the streaming options on the www.twcsportsnet.com site and also on the IOS app installed on both my iphone 5 and ipad 3.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 08:33 PM

Dodger fans be prepared to go through the same thing starting in the 2014 season.

Magic Johnson who is a big part of the Dodgers new ownership group is at the event being interviewed by Andy Adler.

I have no doubt behind the scenes at the launch party that Time Warner is dropping hints and having conversations with him about joining TWC SportsNet when the Dodgers TV contract expires with Fox Sports Net in late 2013.




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