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#626 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 04:16 PM

Still waiting on you to support your claims...which you made first.


She said they carried almost all but a couple. You said she was wrong. You have to prove it by listing all the ones they didn't to show there is enough to not be considered most channels. And they should also be major stations not under water basket weaving.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 04:34 PM

She said they carried almost all but a couple. You said she was wrong. You have to prove it by listing all the ones they didn't to show there is enough to not be considered most channels. And they should also be major stations not under water basket weaving.


No, she said they used to carry virtually every sports channel and that had changed. I said that wasn't true...that they hadn't changed from carrying "virtually every sports channel" to not doing so. She listed a handful of missing channels, but did nothing to back up her claim that this is different from the norm. She made the initial claims, not me. I listed two RSN's they still do not have. There are many, many others which they did not add at launch, but after some time had passed.
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 04:52 PM

Satelliteracer, as far as I can remember Goltv is widely carried by Comcast subscribers of the sports pack and, in the areas that were upgraded, in HD.

I'm also upset that since I subscribed to directv in 2011, I've already lost fox deportes and goltv, both channels that were removed from the Sportspak this year, even thought my sportspak fee remains the same. And I refuse to pay an additional 15 bucks for the hispanic package until these 2 plus espn deportes are in HD.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:06 PM

I'll be frank, I've been a DirecTV customer since 2003. I left Comcast because of their crappy service and sparse sports offerings. I stumbled upon these forums in 2006 while I was looking for help for something that I don't exactly remember. Obviously, from my post count, I rarely come here and post even less and in fact the only time I do visit regularly is during Sunday Ticket renewal.

However, over the last nine years (small glitches and annoyances aside) I've been very satisfied with my service and I've never felt the need or desire to share my thoughts about "it" over that time one way or the other.

But something has recently changed, regardless of the cause, I no longer feel that way, I no longer get the programming I enjoy. Even just a few years ago, upon hearing of an upcoming release of a new sports channel that I would find interesting, I wouldn't worry at all, as I knew DirecTV would have it. My neighbors grew envious as they were straddled with Comcast and Dish and soon enough they switched.

I no longer feel that way, I now assume the complete opposite and my neighbors agree, things have gone down hill. I admit, I held DirecTV in high esteem over that time frame, but their culture has shifted and with it my feelings towards them. I'm sure my sentiment is shared by many others.

TWC, the PAC-12 network, just ripples of what's to come IMO. Things change and they typically don't always change for the better. We're witnessing the unfolding of DirecTV's "dark days" IMO. Whether they pull a full Dish remains to be seen.


Satelliteracer, if I may, print this post and show to your higher ups at directv. Until 2012, the average joe's perception of directv was Bambler said, a new sports channel comes or an innovative way to deliver sports, Directv would carry it, no problem. And people would pay a premium for that. Now the perception is starting to change. I'm just a Travelfan :) but imho, directv is saying to all sport teams, conferences, etc, that those days of carrying sports channels at any cost are over. Now, what if during renewal time the sport channels call Directv bluff and, say for argument's sake, pull a RSN from Directv during nba playoff time or in September? Trust me, for the true sports fans, not even 2 years of free service would keep, say, an yankee fan w/out YES.

I think if Directv doesn't carry the Lakers channel within a month of nba season start, and the lakers start on a great run, something very likely to happen, there will be lots of subscriber losses in la market. And once these subscribers are gone, they are gone.

Even the Sunday ticket, to the residential subscriber, isn't the draw the it used to be, since nfl created their red zone channel.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:43 PM

I guess what I don't understand is this idea that D* isn't carrying the Lakers channel. No one has said D* isn't carrying it nor has anyone said they aren't carrying it (please, do not cut and paste a Facebook screenshot of a response from someone). A lot of jumping to conclusions. Right now, Cox, Charter, Comcast, FIOS, AT&T, DISH, DIRECTV, etc, etc are not carrying it. NO ONE is carrying it right now. That will certainly change, but to a large extent Hoosier and some others are correct. We're talking about essentially two channels here, Pac 12 (which many providers do not have) and the Lakers Channel (which NO ONE other than the owner of the channel has). Some of the other examples, CSN Philly for example...has anyone else picked up that channel?

Now let's look at some recent examples in which D* most certainly has added sports and somehow these are not being recognized. :(

beIN sports was just launched. DIRECTV launched it. Many others didn't.
GolTV is still on DIRECTV and I might add that DIRECTV remains one of the few distributors that carries it
Universal Sports was added last year...Dish added it 7 months later. Many others still don't have it.
Fox Sports San Diego games added
Hornets games in New Orleans will be made available this year
Etc, etc.

Those are a lot of additions in the last year for a company supposedly not interested in adding sports.

Let's see how things play out...way too much jumping to conclusions, especially for a channel that 0.0% of companies not named Time Warner Cable have signed up for. I don't know how this stuff will go down, but neither does anyone else and there have been quite a few statements in this thread lacking all the details or in some cases, stating things inaccurately. In my opinion.
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:53 PM

Let's keep it civil people. Make your points, ask your questions, but keep it civil.

I'm just sayin'.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 08:34 PM

Satelliteracer, as far as I can remember Goltv is widely carried by Comcast subscribers of the sports pack and, in the areas that were upgraded, in HD.

I'm also upset that since I subscribed to directv in 2011, I've already lost fox deportes and goltv, both channels that were removed from the Sportspak this year, even thought my sportspak fee remains the same. And I refuse to pay an additional 15 bucks for the hispanic package until these 2 plus espn deportes are in HD.


I have to wonder if part of the reason those two channels where dropped is so that they would not need to increase the price of the package. I wonder if they also have a lot of data that might say that almost all the people watching those channels already also had the Spanish package. Who knows?

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 08:38 PM

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Hornets games in New Orleans will be made available this year

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Well that's huge for New Orleans subs if you ask me. Good for them! Glad to see it!

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 10:25 PM

While touting it, even Jeanie Buss Lakers Exec. VP for business operations admits she doesn't have TWC SportsNet, and has to go to her boyfriend Phil Jackson's home to watch it for now.

Ridiculous ... :rolleyes:

http://www.latimes.c...story?track=rss

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 10:26 PM

We're talking about essentially two channels here, Pac 12 (which many providers do not have) and the Lakers Channel (which NO ONE other than the owner of the channel has). Some of the other examples, CSN Philly for example...has anyone else picked up that channel?


Hey, what about us Blazer fans? what are we, chopped liver ? :lol:
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:12 AM

Still waiting on you to support your claims...which you made first.


Whatever...I'm done debating semantics with you here. You're not worth it.

You have your opinion, I have mine, we won't change each other's opinion, so let's leave it at that.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:25 AM

Satelliteracer, first of all I want to thank you for all the amazing information you dispense here, and secondly I want to agree to some extent that we (indluding me) are jumping to some conclusions here...I think the lack of the Pac-12 networkS being added is making us feel like DirecTV has somehow moved their line in the sand regarding negotiations.

I also want to add that I absolutely ADORE DirecTV, and would never in a million years switch to any other provider. While I do question decisions and a possible change in philosophy, overall I think DirecTV is well worth the over $200 per month I spend...I buy a LOT of sports packages!

I think that's actually my point...I would not mind spending an additional X amount of dollars if that meant receiving the Pac-12 networkS, TWC, GolTV, and anything else that is out there!

I guess what I don't understand is this idea that D* isn't carrying the Lakers channel. No one has said D* isn't carrying it nor has anyone said they aren't carrying it (please, do not cut and paste a Facebook screenshot of a response from someone). A lot of jumping to conclusions. Right now, Cox, Charter, Comcast, FIOS, AT&T, DISH, DIRECTV, etc, etc are not carrying it. NO ONE is carrying it right now. That will certainly change, but to a large extent Hoosier and some others are correct. We're talking about essentially two channels here, Pac 12 (which many providers do not have) and the Lakers Channel (which NO ONE other than the owner of the channel has). Some of the other examples, CSN Philly for example...has anyone else picked up that channel?


Just based on your tone I'm hopeful the Laker channel will be picked up before the season starts. I lived in LA for a few years and have a great affinity for the area.

beIN sports was just launched. DIRECTV launched it. Many others didn't.


There are reports that the Qataris are actually paying providers to pick up beIN Sports. Not sure how accurate that is, but I read that in more than one place.

GolTV is still on DIRECTV and I might add that DIRECTV remains one of the few distributors that carries it


I just do not understand why it could not be left in the sports pack. What was the reasoning behind moving it to a Spanish programming package? I always watched GolTV in English! And while they did lose La Liga games, they do still have a large inventory of leagues and competitions I like to watch.

Universal Sports was added last year...Dish added it 7 months later. Many others still don't have it.
Fox Sports San Diego games added
Hornets games in New Orleans will be made available this year
Etc, etc.


Good points all. League Pass has carried Cox New Orleans games in the past when there was no other feed available, albeit in SD only. Are you saying that's changed and it will be available in HD? Is that for League Pass only?

Thanks again satelliteracer!!!


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Posted 04 October 2012 - 08:29 AM

I guess what I don't understand is this idea that D* isn't carrying the Lakers channel. No one has said D* isn't carrying it nor has anyone said they aren't carrying it (please, do not cut and paste a Facebook screenshot of a response from someone). A lot of jumping to conclusions. Right now, Cox, Charter, Comcast, FIOS, AT&T, DISH, DIRECTV, etc, etc are not carrying it. NO ONE is carrying it right now. That will certainly change, but to a large extent Hoosier and some others are correct. We're talking about essentially two channels here, Pac 12 (which many providers do not have) and the Lakers Channel (which NO ONE other than the owner of the channel has). Some of the other examples, CSN Philly for example...has anyone else picked up that channel?

Now let's look at some recent examples in which D* most certainly has added sports and somehow these are not being recognized. :(

beIN sports was just launched. DIRECTV launched it. Many others didn't.
GolTV is still on DIRECTV and I might add that DIRECTV remains one of the few distributors that carries it
Universal Sports was added last year...Dish added it 7 months later. Many others still don't have it.
Fox Sports San Diego games added
Hornets games in New Orleans will be made available this year
Etc, etc.

Those are a lot of additions in the last year for a company supposedly not interested in adding sports.

Let's see how things play out...way too much jumping to conclusions, especially for a channel that 0.0% of companies not named Time Warner Cable have signed up for. I don't know how this stuff will go down, but neither does anyone else and there have been quite a few statements in this thread lacking all the details or in some cases, stating things inaccurately. In my opinion.



i also have bright house cable beside directv. i have read that a few time warner systems are carrying the new channel because someone commented about the lack of content on the network.

and my cable company still has gol tv in hd.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:53 PM

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Good points all. League Pass has carried Cox New Orleans games in the past when there was no other feed available, albeit in SD only. Are you saying that's changed and it will be available in HD? Is that for League Pass only?

Thanks again satelliteracer!!!

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New Orleans RSN changed affiliation from cox to fox this year and is now in a similar situation as San Diego FOX RSN so I'd guess that he is saying they are picking it up as a part time RSN in general and not just league pass.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:01 PM

New Orleans RSN changed affiliation from cox to fox this year and is now in a similar situation as San Diego FOX RSN so I'd guess that he is saying they are picking it up as a part time RSN in general and not just league pass.


Oh OK, got it....I misunderstood satelliteracer's post, thinking DirecTV somehow found a way to procure Cox telecasts. The Hornets switching to a Fox RSN actually makes much more sense. Thank you.


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:01 AM

Bright House Networks now has the channel.

Link:

http://www.twcsports...affiliates.html

Multiple people on the dedicated threads on clublakers.com and lakersground.net are reporting that AT&T U-Verse looks like they are about to add the channel.

Also look at Titan TV's channel guide online:

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TWCLAESPHD
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The Channel is showing up on U-Verse on TitanTV on 1777/1778, I think they are about to add it. I Hope."

I checked on TitanTV and it is indeed on there but the channel is listed as 'TWCLAHD'. But all the shows and times are the same as Sportsnet on TWC. I'm not sure if its an error or not but the channel is slotted right next to Fox Sports Net so the channel location is plausible. I checked Uverse's channel lineup on their website but the channel doesn't show up.


Link:

http://forums.lakers...6ac7538d4fb4bba

Looks like I may be going back to AT&T U-Verse very soon and canceling D*.AT&T is offering me a $200 gift card to come back to them.I can also get my money back for the TWC cable box since they have a 14 day window where I can get a refund.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:46 AM

Bright House Networks now has the channel.

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http://www.twcsports...affiliates.html



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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:10 AM

Time Warner Cable negotiates on behalf of Bright House Networks.


Yeah ...

I figured the alleged "carriage agreement" between BHN and TWC is really just "technically speaking," since they're associated with one another anyhow. :rolleyes:

And how many subs. does BHN have in the Lakers market anyhow?

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:13 AM

Looks like I may be going back to AT&T U-Verse very soon and canceling D*.AT&T is offering me a $200 gift card to come back to them.I can also get my money back for the TWC cable box since they have a 14 day window where I can get a refund.


If you do, please tell D* why! Some of us don't have any other options (except dish...)..

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:27 AM

... Looks like I may be going back to AT&T U-Verse very soon and canceling D*.AT&T is offering me a $200 gift card to come back to them.I can also get my money back for the TWC cable box since they have a 14 day window where I can get a refund.


Well ... looks like you may not be going to AT&T as it appears the Titan TV listing was some kind of error;

This just in from the LA Times;

http://www.latimes.c...0,4357659.story

AT&T-Fox Sports deal has Time Warner Cable execs shaking their heads

AT&T has struck a deal to carry the regional sports network Fox Sports San Diego, which has the majority of Padres games, on its U-Verse pay-TV service.

You might wonder why this is newsworthy to the folks of Los Angeles. Well, AT&T still hasn't struck a deal to carry Time Warner Cable's SportsNet or the Spanish-language Deportes, the new regional channels launched earlier this week that are the only local outlets to see Lakers games. ATT's U-Verse has about 425,000 subscribers in the Los Angeles area.

That AT&T has wrapped up an agreement for Fox Sports San Diego before SportsNet and Deportes has some Time Warner Cable executives shaking their heads.

Cost clearly isn't an issue. Fox Sports San Diego costs more than $5 per subscriber per month, according to people familiar with the channel. The cost for Time Warner Cable's channels is about $4 per subscriber per-month.

Interestingly, while Time Warner Cable is upset that AT&T hasn't signed on to carry its channels in L.A., it still isn't carrying Fox Sports San Diego. Time Warner Cable had unsuccessfully tried to woo the Padres to be the anchor of a new sports channel there.

Its efforts, though, did force Fox to spend a lot more than it had probably anticipated shelling out to keep the Padres games. That's the main reason the price tag for that channel is so high and out of whack with the subscriber fees for other regional sports networks in bigger markets.

An AT&T spokesman declined to comment on the status of its talks with Time Warner Cable.

AT&T's U-Verse is hardly the biggest fish for Time Warner Cable. DirecTV has over 1.7 million subscribers here and Cox has about 1.2 million.

Lakers fans who are not Time Warner Cable subscribers are probably starting to get antsy, but the regular season is still almost four weeks away. These agreements are usually hammered out at the last minute, when everyone feels like they have a gun to their head.

The early ratings for SportsNet are not bad considering it is only available in Time Warner Cable's 2.3 million homes. On Wednesday, its 11 p.m. telecast of the Lakers 2010 finals win against Boston was the fifth most-watched program in Los Angeles among men 18-34.


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:12 PM

And how many subs. does BHN have in the Lakers market anyhow?

BHN only services Bakersfield, CA. They do not have any systems anywhere else in the entire state of CA.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 01:19 PM

BHN only services Bakersfield, CA. They do not have any systems anywhere else in the entire state of CA.


And Bakersfield is in the Lakes market area, so they'll get the games.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 01:52 PM

This may sound harsh, but DirecTV employees should have no business discussing negotiations that involve them. Regardless of which side you sit--whether it's the PAC-12 Network or TWC's Laker Channel--in my eyes it's extremely unprofessional and very telling of their intentions, which can be compromising.

Your boss should put on a leash when it comes to discussing this, whether you openly state you're an employee and don't represent or do so in an undercover manner.

Personally, I hope DirecTV does not carry these channels. Reap what you sow.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 02:37 PM

This may sound harsh, but DirecTV employees should have no business discussing negotiations that involve them. Regardless of which side you sit--whether it's the PAC-12 Network or TWC's Laker Channel--in my eyes it's extremely unprofessional and very telling of their intentions, which can be compromising.

Your boss should put on a leash when it comes to discussing this, whether you openly state you're an employee and don't represent or do so in an undercover manner.

Personally, I hope DirecTV does not carry these channels. Reap what you sow.


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 05:05 PM

Latest posting from SJ Merc's Jon Wilner, update about TWC & PAC-12 Net's negotiations with D*. Calls D*'s position hypocritical when it comes to the PAC-12 Net.
http://blogs.mercury...iewing-options/




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