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#541 OFFLINE   Unknown

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:49 PM

ESPN games are never blacked out. As a matter of fact, when the Angels or Dodgers play on ESPN, it is the Fox Sports feed that is blacked out, so it is the other way around. (I noticed this when I tuned in to 692 one night for an Angels game and was confronted with a blackout.... took me a few moments to realize the game was on ESPN). This is one of the reasons ESPN is so expensive by the way, when they buy rights to a game they buy it for the entire country, no blackouts.

You'll get all ESPN, ABC, TNT games. The only games that might be subject to a blackout is NBA TV, but if TWC has not signed deals with *anyone* I wouldn't be surprised the NBA is allowed to show the game. We'll have to wait and see.


Are you sure about that. I already thought in MLB and i pretty sure i am right that ESPN is blackout in the team market for that game. So if the Angels are playing the Rangers on a Wednesday and i on ESPN. it get blackout in the team market. Where in SO cal do you like. I know in the NBA ESPN games are not blackout. but in MLB they are in the team market.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:56 PM

Let's not forget that our prices have also increased substantially over the last five years as well.

I also see that executive comp is up as well at Directv over the same time period.

Maybe this has all finally bottomed out and the apocalypse is ready to happen.

Though how much is attributed to the cost of sports programming is not indicated;

http://techcrunch.co...tv-train-wreck/

Still yea, as the article says, "something's gotta give." DIRECTV's programming cost have grown some 32% over the past five years. :eek2:

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Its no wonder they're stalling on adding the Pac 12 and TWC SporstNet along with experiencing a constant stream of disputes with the non-sports program providers and OTA station groups.



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Posted 02 October 2012 - 07:33 PM

I wouldn't call the PAC-12 network negotiations soft by any means and I would probably be wise to guess the TWC stalemate will go on well into the season as well, if it ever gets signed at all this year.

It probably pains DirecTV to have to sign on the dotted line of their competitor, empowering them as much or even more than DirecTV. I probably wouldn't sign either, but that still doesn't negate the high probability that in five year's time, DirecTV's sports position will be compromised, as it's already slipping in my eyes.


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 08:02 PM

Let's not forget that our prices have also increased substantially over the last five years as well.

I also see that executive comp is up as well at Directv over the same time period.

Maybe this has all finally bottomed out and the apocalypse is ready to happen.


They haven't increased at the rate of the programming costs. Annual price increases have been about 4% to 4.5%. Programming costs about 10% per year the last few years.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 08:26 PM

If DirecTV doesn't kiss the NFL with loads of money come 2014, or the NFL decides to expand out-of-market distribution, and if DirecTV continues to play Dish Network of yesterday, they'll be in trouble in my opinion, as the more affluent demographics DirecTV so proudly touts to the finance sector and advertisers, flee.

Just guessing, but it's plausible, especially the NFL's desire to expand distribution.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 08:42 PM

If DirecTV doesn't kiss the NFL with loads of money come 2014, or the NFL decides to expand out-of-market distribution, and if DirecTV continues to play Dish Network of yesterday, they'll be in trouble in my opinion, as the more affluent demographics DirecTV so proudly touts to the finance sector and advertisers, flee.

Just guessing, but it's plausible, especially the NFL's desire to expand distribution.


No it isn't. The NFL wants ST to be an exclusive package for a reason and DirecTV will have first dibs on a new agreement. They paid $4 billion last time and have been more successful than ever since.

Dish Network of yesterday? DirecTV has had very few public retrans disputes. They have retained and added channels, while Dish Network has dropped and openly mocked content providers. Dish Network is the Dish Network of yesterday.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:12 PM

I just wonder how long it will take Lakers executives to grow impatient with TWC for not signing distribution deals.


Good point! Let's hope not too long.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:25 PM

ESPN games are never blacked out. As a matter of fact, when the Angels or Dodgers play on ESPN, it is the Fox Sports feed that is blacked out, so it is the other way around. (I noticed this when I tuned in to 692 one night for an Angels game and was confronted with a blackout.... took me a few moments to realize the game was on ESPN). This is one of the reasons ESPN is so expensive by the way, when they buy rights to a game they buy it for the entire country, no blackouts.

You'll get all ESPN, ABC, TNT games. The only games that might be subject to a blackout is NBA TV, but if TWC has not signed deals with *anyone* I wouldn't be surprised the NBA is allowed to show the game. We'll have to wait and see.


I have NEVER seen a FSN west baseball game blacked out because a game was on espn. EVER. That doesn't happen. If a game is on espn and its exclusive, then they just don't have the game, period, there is nothing to blackout. What game and what day did you see this? Something else was going on, there would be no point in them doing a broadcast for the game for this market if it was going to be blacked out. I caught myself tuning to 694 a couple times and seeing it say blacked out for a dodger game, but then I realized my mistake.. :)

Your dreaming if TWC is going to be ok with the nba relaxing its blackout rules for the Lakers if they don't have more carriage agreements.. :)

And I do see games blacked out on espn for college football if they are showing the game on our abc as well, and then you can watch the reverse mirror feed of the alternate channel instead, although that's not too often.

While I hope you all are right, until I see them hold to that, I won't bet on it, because again, I know of no market where this issue exists now and we have heard from someone whats happened in their market. I wish someone from Portland area was around, maybe they could tells us if they still get their espn games if its a blazers home game and they are on the Comcast sports channel?

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:43 PM

I have NEVER seen a FSN west baseball game blacked out because a game was on espn. EVER. That doesn't happen. If a game is on espn and its exclusive, then they just don't have the game, period, there is nothing to blackout. What game and what day did you see this? Something else was going on, there would be no point in them doing a broadcast for the game for this market if it was going to be blacked out. I caught myself tuning to 694 a couple times and seeing it say blacked out for a dodger game, but then I realized my mistake.. :)

Your dreaming if TWC is going to be ok with the nba relaxing its blackout rules for the Lakers if they don't have more carriage agreements.. :)

And I do see games blacked out on espn for college football if they are showing the game on our abc as well, and then you can watch the reverse mirror feed of the alternate channel instead, although that's not too often.

While I hope you all are right, until I see them hold to that, I won't bet on it, because again, I know of no market where this issue exists now and we have heard from someone whats happened in their market. I wish someone from Portland area was around, maybe they could tells us if they still get their espn games if its a blazers home game and they are on the Comcast sports channel?


We only get Blazer game blackouts on NBATV. Never blacked out on ESPN. I bitched about the blackouts here in Eugene, since we are over 100 miles away and don't get the local Portland channels or CSNNW. I should not be blacked out!

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 10:48 PM

Whenever the Blazers are on ESPN, they're shown over-the-air on the local NBC affiliate (KGW), rather than CSNNW. Ironically, I live in Los Angeles and get to see almost all of the CSNNW games on League Pass, where a good portion of the NW is shut out. Today the Blazers said they don't know if they're going to offer streaming this season of the Comcast games to the areas that can't get them otherwise. Last season they negotiated a deal with Comcast that allowed them to sell games for $2.99 each, or around $70 for the season. Remember, the Blazers own the broadcast rights to these areas and those people would be blacked out on League Pass.

Now it looks like Lakers and Rockets fans will be in the same boat as Sixers and Blazers fans. Someone should look up which other professional markets Comcast and TWC have coverage in. I'm expecting to see more of these cable deals down the road making it even more difficult on D*.

Btw, whenever the Dodgers are on ESPN in Los Angeles it's blacked out to protect the Prime Ticket and KCAL broadcasts.


Don't give up on CSN Huston yet the teams are big owners.


Also CSN Chicago seems safe (teams own 80%) and it's loaded with ATT U-Verse ad's.
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 12:20 AM

That may actually happen as soon as after the Dodgers 2013 season if Time Warner throws billions at them also like they did to get the new TV deal with the Lakers.


I will be VERY surprised if Fox doesn't hold the rights to the Dodgers
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 12:21 AM

If DirecTV doesn't kiss the NFL with loads of money come 2014, or the NFL decides to expand out-of-market distribution, and if DirecTV continues to play Dish Network of yesterday, they'll be in trouble in my opinion, as the more affluent demographics DirecTV so proudly touts to the finance sector and advertisers, flee.

Just guessing, but it's plausible, especially the NFL's desire to expand distribution.


I'm curious where you see that the NFL wants to expand distribution?
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 02:36 AM

I'm curious where you see that the NFL wants to expand distribution?


NFL Sunday Ticket is already being offered through the PS3 and Playstation network.Where it does not require a person to sign a contract with Directv for 2 years and the person does not have to prove they cannot receive Directv service at the place they live.It costs $300 includes the red zone channel and the games are in HD.

I had the service a year ago when I was on AT&T U-Verse and was not a Directv customer.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 02:42 AM

I will be VERY surprised if Fox doesn't hold the rights to the Dodgers


Magic Johnson owns and runs the Dodgers.

They are gone after the 2013 season from Fox Sports.

I seriously doubt MLB Commissioner Bud Selig wants them on Fox anymore after he already rejected the 1st TV deal between Fox and former owner Frank Mccourt.

Also MLB and Dodgers fans remember how bad the Dodgers were run when they were owned by Rupert Murdoch.

Here was Magic & Time Warner SportsNet president David Rone at the launch party last night at the TWC SportsNet headquarters in El Segundo CA.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:44 AM

NFL Sunday Ticket is already being offered through the PS3 and Playstation network.Where it does not require a person to sign a contract with Directv for 2 years and the person does not have to prove they cannot receive Directv service at the place they live.It costs $300 includes the red zone channel and the games are in HD.

I had the service a year ago when I was on AT&T U-Verse and was not a Directv customer.


...you are paying DirecTV for that service. It is provided by DirecTV. Not to mention that the number of people using the PS3 option is minuscule compared to traditional Sunday Ticket subs. The ST package is exclusive to DirecTV. The NFL wants it limited to one provider for a reason. That isn't changing.
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 06:54 AM

If the Dodgers leave Fox then that gives a perfect opportunity (if one doesn't exist already w/Lakers leaving) in Directv seeking major rate reductions from Fox. Less valuable content = less rates. Perhaps even drop a channel outright.

But....this same situation exists here in the Pacific Northwest. Root Sports, wholly owned by Directv, used to carry the NBA Supersonics and Blazers in opposite markets (Seattle, Portland) plus LOTS of Pac 12 sports from all four Oregon and Washington universities, in addition to the MLB Mariners.

Now....Pac 12 has left....both NBA teams (Supersonics to Oklahoma, Blazers to Comcast). and now we have what content on Root Sports Northwest in the fall/winter?

Some Big Sky sports and high school football. Maybe 3 Pac 12 basketball games per each of the four universities and that is it. Root Sports Northwest, wholly owned by Directv has LOST most of it's content.

My bill is not going down one dollar for the less content. Directv is playing games here. HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL? By the way, they are Seattle area high schools....no interest whatsoever here in Oregon.

So Directv talks one way out of it's mouth on one end and then on the other does the same programmer games. It's not giving back the rate.




Magic Johnson owns and runs the Dodgers.

They are gone after the 2013 season from Fox Sports.

I seriously doubt MLB Commissioner Bud Selig wants them on Fox anymore after he already rejected the 1st TV deal between Fox and former owner Frank Mccourt.

Also MLB and Dodgers fans remember how bad the Dodgers were run when they were owned by Rupert Murdoch.

Here was Magic & Time Warner SportsNet president David Rone at the launch party last night at the TWC SportsNet headquarters in El Segundo CA.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 07:04 AM

It's just disappointing that one thing I could count on with DirecTV was that they would carry virtually every sports channel they possibly could. While transmission could be an issue (CSN Philly), money almost never was.

It's just not that way anymore.


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Posted 03 October 2012 - 07:19 AM

It's just disappointing that one thing I could count on with DirecTV was that they would carry virtually every sports channel they possibly could. While transmission could be an issue (CSN Philly), money almost never was.

It's just not that way anymore.

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Why? Because of two channels? One of which no one carries other than its owner...
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 07:29 AM

NFL Sunday Ticket is already being offered through the PS3 and Playstation network.Where it does not require a person to sign a contract with Directv for 2 years and the person does not have to prove they cannot receive Directv service at the place they live.It costs $300 includes the red zone channel and the games are in HD.

I had the service a year ago when I was on AT&T U-Verse and was not a Directv customer.


They don't enforce it but the reason they offered it on PS3 was to keep from getting sued by people who could not get Directv because of location or line of sight or regulations. They made it available to anyone who really wants it. They do not want to expand distribution because that would hurt the ad revenue of the network affiliates which would make their product worth less to the TV networks. That would be killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 07:34 AM

Magic Johnson owns and runs the Dodgers.

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He owns a very very small percentage of the team and doesn't run them. He's a face for them to help bring in fans.
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