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#51 OFFLINE   HoTat2

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 10:58 AM

... All this talk about spotbeams.... we should push this to spotbeams to save bandwidth, we should push that to spotbeams to save bandwidth. Do we have unlimited spotbeam bandwidth? In another topic somewhere, where it was noted that the Los Angeles DMA got 5 new HD channels (yes, in Spanish), it was also noted that it was getting REALLY cramped on the Los Angeles spotbeam. Spotbeams aren't the answer for everything we don't want wasting CONUS bandwidth.


Yeah maybe;

The LA DMA has three assigned Ka band spotbeam transponders; 19, 21, and 22, distributed over two spotbeams (19 on one, 21 and 22 on another). And with the latest sudden "avalanche" of Spanish HD local channel additions, that leaves six HD slots left available for future additions assuming the same 6 HD channels per transponder max. loading as the CONUS ones.

But even if there were room to place the TWC Sportsnet Desportes RSN on an LA spotbeam transponder, as you say the bigger problem would be that neither LA spotbeam, even in combination, fully covers the entire Lakers' DMA spanning roughly from Fresno to Bakersfield to San Diego to the Las Vegas market areas.

You would need to simulcast the RSN on other markets' spotbeams, assuming they even have the room for it on their transponders.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 12:10 PM

Fresno
Bakersfield
Santa barbra
Las Vegas
Palm springs
San Diego
Hawaii
Los Angeles

I believe that's all the different markets that have their own locals and own spot beams that would have to have this channel on each to hit the entire market.

There is zero chance they could put this channel on spots, it's going to be on league pass 70 plus nights a year.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 12:12 PM

:lol:

Staples Center seats 18,997 max and the Laker games are always sold out.Heck the waiting list to become a season ticket holder is over 5 years just to get the nose bleed 300 level seats where 7 foot basketball players look like ants.We aren't the other team down the hall.Well they also sell out now also now with their flashy lob city crap.Yes it's exciting basketball but if I want to see a bunch of alley oop dunks. I'll go watch the Harlem Globe Trotters instead.

Mark my words when I say the Clipper style of basketball won't get them any rings anytime soon.

Heck their franchise player Blake Griffin is injured once again with another serious knee injury.He better learn how to improve & adjust his game if he wants to stay in the league for over 10 years.

Honestly though the whole argument of losing a lot of TV viewership because of a lot of fans who can't afford cable or satellite.I just don't buy. Sure the Lakers may lose some viewers locally in the poverty parts of LA & Socal.But also remember that what they are losing they will make up with rest of the Laker fans in the TV network coverage that use to not get the local channel KCAL 9 which carried the road game before that weren't nationally televised.That market is San Diego, Las Vegas, Hawaii, and whole bunch of central CA cities in between.

KCAL 9 was the channel that the poor, homeless, starving college student, non paying television viewer relied on in the past to catch a couple Laker road games since they could have gotten the channel through OTA.Under the old TV deal a person still needed at least basic digital cable to get FSN West in order to view the Lakers home games.


You know the Lakers had more lob dunks than the Clippers last year...

And your Absolutely right about the market loss vs larger market gains. I doubt many people that watch the Lakers don't have access to at least a basic cable package.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 12:35 PM

Fresno
Bakersfield
Santa barbra
Las Vegas
Palm springs
San Diego
Hawaii
Los Angeles

I believe that's all the different markets that have their own locals and own spot beams that would have to have this channel on each to hit the entire market.

There is zero chance they could put this channel on spots, it's going to be on league pass 70 plus nights a year.


Well.... Hawaii is obviously on its own spotbeam. But many of the other markets share the same one. "Southern California" has its own spot beam, that has Los Angeles, San Diego, Palm Springs, Santa Barbara, and Bakersfield covered.

Las Vegas is part of the spot beam that also covers Phoenix/Tuscon. So is Yuma, AZ which is the only part of Arizona that is both part of the Suns and the Lakers DMA.

Fresno is also part of the Lakers DMA, which I believe is covered by the spot beam directed at Northern California.

Also don't forget: ALL of Nevada is considered Lakers territory by the NBA, which is really covered by three spot beams: South: The spotbeam that hits Arizona. West: (e.g. Reno, NV) The spotbeam that hits Northern California. And the mostly un-populated east is covered by the Utah spotbeam. At least from what I have been able to figure out earlier, I don't have Google Earth handy right now.

If we were to forget about the three horses and their cowboys that live in Eastern Nevada, at least FOUR spotbeams would be required to cover the NBA Market area. If we do include them, and the Laker fans sitting in Area 51 demolishing UFO's, we'd need a 5th spotbeam.

They really aren't going to put the English one on CONUS to satisfy NBA league pass and Sports Pack subscribers for side-programming, and spread the Spanish one over 5 spotbeam transponders. Especially as some of those spotbeams don't have unlimited bandwidth either.

If carriage of the Spanish version is in dispute, it is either going to be CONUS, or no carriage at all and only carry the English one.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 12:40 PM

Well.... Hawaii is obviously on its own spotbeam. But many of the other markets share the same one. "Southern California" has its own spot beam, that has Los Angeles, San Diego, Palm Springs, Santa Barbara, and Bakersfield covered.

Las Vegas is part of the spot beam that also covers Phoenix/Tuscon. So is Yuma, AZ which is the only part of Arizona that is both part of the Suns and the Lakers DMA.

Fresno is also part of the Lakers DMA, which I believe is covered by the spot beam directed at Northern California.

Also don't forget: ALL of Nevada is considered Lakers territory by the NBA, which is really covered by three spot beams: South: The spotbeam that hits Arizona. West: (e.g. Reno, NV) The spotbeam that hits Northern California. And the mostly un-populated east is covered by the Utah spotbeam. At least from what I have been able to figure out earlier, I don't have Google Earth handy right now.

If we were to forget about the three horses and their cowboys that live in Eastern Nevada, at least FOUR spotbeams would be required to cover the NBA Market area. If we do include them, and the Laker fans sitting in Area 51 demolishing UFO's, we'd need a 5th spotbeam.

They really aren't going to put the English one on CONUS to satisfy NBA league pass and Sports Pack subscribers for side-programming, and spread the Spanish one over 5 spotbeam transponders. Especially as some of those spotbeams don't have unlimited bandwidth either.

If carriage of the Spanish version is in dispute, it is either going to be CONUS, or no carriage at all and only carry the English one.


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 12:50 PM

You make- lot of assumptions. And Juno to a conclusion.


I just think it is a complete waste of having to use multiple transponders to "spot beam" a Spanish RSN, and it seems that those with a little more information on how these spot beams work.... seem to agree with that.

Spot beams aren't a "unlimited resource" either, and if there is market demand for a Spanish language RSN with their own produced programming, and not to forget its own Spanish language advertising, well.... why not?

Spanish speaking Sports Pack subscribers nationwide might appreciate that. And there currently is enough CONUS bandwidth to carry both, so why not if market conditions are right.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 12:54 PM

I just think it is a complete waste of having to use multiple transponders to "spot beam" a Spanish RSN, and it seems that those with a little more information on how these spot beams work.... seem to agree with that.

Spot beams aren't a "unlimited resource" either, and if there is market demand for a Spanish language RSN with their own produced programming, and not to forget its own Spanish language advertising, well.... why not?

Spanish speaking Sports Pack subscribers nationwide might appreciate that. And there currently is enough CONUS bandwidth to carry both, so why not if market conditions are right.


Your worst assumption is that it must cover the entire laker area. The english one, yes, but the spanish one may be targetted to only the biggest latin market. Another bad assumption is that an English version is in conus so then the Spanish must be too.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 01:10 PM

Your worst assumption is that it must cover the entire laker area. The english one, yes, but the spanish one may be targetted to only the biggest latin market. Another bad assumption is that an English version is in conus so then the Spanish must be too.


Although it isn't 100% clear, the NBA seems to treat the networks the same:

http://www.nba.com/l...adcast_faq.html

"Where will I be able to watch Lakers games?
Lakers games will be on Time Warner Cable SportsNet and Time Warner Cable Deportes in the Lakers territory. The Lakers territory, designated by the NBA, includes all of Southern California, Nevada and Hawaii. Some games will also be available via national broadcast."

It just doesn't make any sense to not carry both CONUS.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 02:04 PM

Haven't seen it mentioned yet, but couldn't they put the Spanish version on 119°? Wouldn't that make more sense?
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 02:11 PM

Haven't seen it mentioned yet, but couldn't they put the Spanish version on 119°? Wouldn't that make more sense?


Yeah I don't see why not.

Not quite sure how this works with packaging the channels though.... I was able to get a free 5LNB from DirecTV because of 1 channel that I PAID for (in this case the Irish music channel), but wasn't getting. So they came out and put a new LNB on my Dish so I could receive it.

If the intention is to have the local RSN's, regardless of language, in the "Choice" package, they might have to deal with "I am paying for that channel but I can't receive it, please fix it" calls. Now if it is part of the SPANISH package, different story of course.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 02:13 PM

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking put it on 119 and put it in a Spanish package. I would think the majority of the people who would really want to watch it instead of the English version will probably have a Spanish package already anyway.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 02:25 PM

If you need a 5LNB to get it why not put it on 110 so it has someting to do?

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 02:30 PM

If you need a 5LNB to get it why not put it on 110 so it has someting to do?


I believe DirecTV is done with 110. I think they were planning on scrapping it but have recently found someone else interested in leasing it from them if I remember correctly. I think there is info on it in the D14 thread.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 02:36 PM

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking put it on 119 and put it in a Spanish package. I would think the majority of the people who would really want to watch it instead of the English version will probably have a Spanish package already anyway.


Yeah I guess that would work fine! Unless the NBA has some restrictions as what type of package NBA should be on, and the Spanish package is considered "too premium" or something weird. I think you are right though, most Spanish speakers probably have a Spanish package.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:45 PM

I believe DirecTV is done with 110. I think they were planning on scrapping it but have recently found someone else interested in leasing it from them if I remember correctly. I think there is info on it in the D14 thread.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:59 PM

I just think it is a complete waste of having to use multiple transponders to "spot beam" a Spanish RSN, and it seems that those with a little more information on how these spot beams work.... seem to agree with that.

Spot beams aren't a "unlimited resource" either, and if there is market demand for a Spanish language RSN with their own produced programming, and not to forget its own Spanish language advertising, well.... why not?

Spanish speaking Sports Pack subscribers nationwide might appreciate that. And there currently is enough CONUS bandwidth to carry both, so why not if market conditions are right.


I would think they would put the Spanish channel on 119 with the rest of the Spanish channels and make it available to people with Spanish programing packages. Then it's not taking up conus Hi Definition in the core satelites, or spot beams.

Edit: and then i read further and see I'm not here only one who thought that! ;)

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:01 PM

I would think they would put the Spanish channel on 119 with the rest of the Spanish channels and make it available to people with Spanish programing packages. Then it's not taking up conus Hi Definition in the core satelites, or spot beams.


That makes sense.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 11:52 PM

I also think that since Directv is available in Mexico like Tijuana, and Baja California that the new RSN channels will be offered there also.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 02:25 AM

I also think that since Directv is available in Mexico like Tijuana, and Baja California that the new RSN channels will be offered there also.


Ah, as far as I know DIRECTV is not available anywhere in Mexico is it? When did that happen?

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 02:59 AM

Ah, as far as I know DIRECTV is not available anywhere in Mexico is it? When did that happen?


DIRECTV is not available in Mexico, though some are no doubt receiving it there unauthorized off the satellites' beam edges.

Mexico (including Central America) have their own DTH service. "SKY Mexico," of which DIRECTV is a minority owner using Intelsat 9 and 16 at 58w.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 08:19 AM

Here's what White had to say in the call yesterday, from http://seekingalpha....?page=8&p=qanda

We're all trying to ensure that we'll pay market that, but if the market doesn't continue to grow at rates that are unaffordable to the customer. But I think you'll continue to see those in the industry. You've seen quite an increase in the number of those disputes in the industry this year. But -- and as it relates to some of the sports networks that are being launched -- look, we have conversations with everyone out there. Sports is an important part of DIRECTV. But frankly, we have to be disciplined in that area, too, just like we are on the entertainment side. So I think we'll have to see. We've had some conversations. We've got a couple of those decisions to make. We probably can't afford to do everything that everybody would like us to do in sports, so we will be disciplined. And I think we'll just have to see.


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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:20 AM

Here's what White had to say in the call yesterday, from http://seekingalpha....?page=8&p=qanda


Yeah I got that. But don't forget: It's a public forum, and they can easily use that as leverage. If they would have said "Sport is important to us, and we will do everything to bring good sports to our customers" or something like that, it will open the door for the other side to stick to their current number.

If DirecTV however says "we'll have to see what we can afford", the negotiations remain wide open.

I believe they won't carry everything. But they will carry PAC12 and the TWC Sportsnet because.... well.... they sort of have to, especially if they want to adhere to the other thing Mike White said: Focus on retaining customers not on getting new ones.
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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:22 AM

I didn't read that as not carrying Lakers or PAC 12. More like CSN Philly and other odd things. Maybe not carrying all seven PAC 12 nets fulltime but I think they intend on carrying it in some way.
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 12:33 AM

Time for DirecTV & Time Warner to get a deal done.

This just happened:

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No way TV ratings will be down in the next 10 years.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 02:31 AM

Time for DirecTV & Time Warner to get a deal done.

This just happened:

:lol:

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No way TV ratings will be down in the next 10 years.


I seriously doubt that has any real effect in negotiations. And well see if he's even here in a year... Hope so, but you never know... He wants to be the only top dog...




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