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#901 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 08:22 AM

Do you guys think it would have helped negotiations if the Lakers had part or majority ownership of the channel?

Of course they probably wouldn't have gotten the money they did.


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Posted 15 October 2012 - 09:29 AM

Evidently, twc commercials got lots of loud boos last night when they appeared on the scoreboard during the exhibition game at staples last night!


Speaking of booing Time Warner Cable, I must give TWC (the cable company) a big thumbs down.

I just recently signed up with TWC so that I would not miss any Lakers coverage (pre-season and behind-the-scenes exclusives). In the three or so weeks that I've had their service, I have had more issues (outages, missing channels, DVR resetting for no reason, pixelation, service calls that did nothing to resolve anything, etc.) with TWC than I have ever had in the 10+ years that I have been with D*.

TWC customer services says that outages are caused by the sun. Hot days apparently cause havoc with their service stations. Another CSR said that it is not uncommon for squirrels to chew on the cable lines. :nono2:

I can't wait for D* to carry this channel. TWC is a joke!
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 10:31 AM

TWC customer services says that outages are caused by the sun. Hot days apparently cause havoc with their service stations. Another CSR said that it is not uncommon for squirrels to chew on the cable lines. << Snipped bits out >>


And bears to climb poles, ripping down cable and phone lines, no??? :D
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 10:35 AM

Speaking of booing Time Warner Cable, I must give TWC (the cable company) a big thumbs down.

I just recently signed up with TWC so that I would not miss any Lakers coverage (pre-season and behind-the-scenes exclusives). In the three or so weeks that I've had their service, I have had more issues (outages, missing channels, DVR resetting for no reason, pixelation, service calls that did nothing to resolve anything, etc.) with TWC than I have ever had in the 10+ years that I have been with D*.

TWC customer services says that outages are caused by the sun. Hot days apparently cause havoc with their service stations. Another CSR said that it is not uncommon for squirrels to chew on the cable lines. :nono2:

I can't wait for D* to carry this channel. TWC is a joke!



actually i had a brief outage last week that dtv said was caused by the sun.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:14 AM

Speaking of booing Time Warner Cable, I must give TWC (the cable company) a big thumbs down.

I just recently signed up with TWC so that I would not miss any Lakers coverage (pre-season and behind-the-scenes exclusives). In the three or so weeks that I've had their service, I have had more issues (outages, missing channels, DVR resetting for no reason, pixelation, service calls that did nothing to resolve anything, etc.) with TWC than I have ever had in the 10+ years that I have been with D*.

TWC customer services says that outages are caused by the sun. Hot days apparently cause havoc with their service stations. Another CSR said that it is not uncommon for squirrels to chew on the cable lines. :nono2:

I can't wait for D* to carry this channel. TWC is a joke!


Here in la, from what I understand, twc is still trying to fix all the stuff adelphia did wrong and screwed up. That's just sad IMHO.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:38 AM

Here in la, from what I understand, twc is still trying to fix all the stuff adelphia did wrong and screwed up. That's just sad IMHO.


That doesn't explain the Time Warner areas that weren't formerly Adelphia -- for example, the western half of the San Fernando Valley has been served by Time Warner since at least the late '90s. I have friends with Time Warner in that area, and I can't vouch for all of the problems reported by DBSNewbie, but I've definitely seen pixelation aplenty on HD channels.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:51 AM

That doesn't explain the Time Warner areas that weren't formerly Adelphia -- for example, the western half of the San Fernando Valley has been served by Time Warner since at least the late '90s. I have friends with Time Warner in that area, and I can't vouch for all of the problems reported by DBSNewbie, but I've definitely seen pixelation aplenty on HD channels.


Never said it did. Just saying they are so messed up who knows the cause. It could be from multiple things.

Maybe it's all just the squirrels!

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:43 PM

actually i had a brief outage last week that dtv said was caused by the sun.


Yes, that happens every spring and fall when the sun is directly behind the satellite as viewed from your dish. Unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done about that. Fortunately, it only lasts for a few minutes.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:31 AM

Now we really need the Lakers on DIRECTV. I hope this happens:

http://probasketball...at-they-should/

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:38 AM

Now we really need the Lakers on DIRECTV. I hope this happens:

http://probasketball...at-they-should/


A player signing on with a professional sports team does not affect the value of the channel whatsoever. It might affect personal affection for a team, but it doesn't change anything in these negotiations.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:45 AM

Now we really need the Lakers on DIRECTV. I hope this happens:

http://probasketball...at-they-should/


As a Lakers fan, I love all he's done, but this is a dumb idea. He's washed up and his leadership isn't needed on this veteran team.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:45 AM

Here in la, from what I understand, twc is still trying to fix all the stuff adelphia did wrong and screwed up. That's just sad IMHO.


Yeah Adelphia was a mess. Mostly financially of course, but it kept Adelphia from really developing their digital television network. The biggest problem is the equipment on the head-ends, TWC gained both Comcast and Adelphia areas in Los Angeles in 2007 or so, and 5 years later they are still more or less independent networks with all of their own channel lineups. My mother-in-law still has the Motorola DVR they gave her in 2007 or so, and still has the Adelphia logo on it.

Now TWC essentially has to deal with three different systems on their network. They should have started making big strides towards uniformity throughout the TWC network in the Los Angeles area, but that hasn't happened. It is going to cost a heap of money, and the economy crashed just about the same time the Adelphia thing went down in late 2007/early 2008.

TWC Internet is probably their best product. I would sign up for that again in a heartbeat. But my TV service remains with DirecTV.

The fact that TWC Internet works so well is that Comcast, TWC, and Adelphia all used the same DOCSIS standards, so upgrading/managing those networks, and melding them in to one was a LOT easier.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:54 AM

As a Lakers fan, I love all he's done, but this is a dumb idea. He's washed up and his leadership isn't needed on this veteran team.


I hear ya. He does however still have a few clutch 3 pointers left in his tank.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:49 AM

As a Lakers fan, I love all he's done, but this is a dumb idea. He's washed up and his leadership isn't needed on this veteran team.


He will make a good coach someday soon I think... In just not sure id pick him upon the Lakers this year, I don't see how it helps them.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:49 AM

http://www.ocregiste...-time-team.html

Article from yesterday in OC Register.

Orange County is 50% Cox, 50% TWC (give or take 5%, have no exact numbers) which means half of Orange County will *never* get Lakers games until TWC reaches a deal with either Cox, U-verse, FIOS, Dish, or DirecTV.

The mentioned "OC Sports Grill" in this article I know well, have been there several times and the two daughters of my neighbor next door work there as bartenders. The owner of this bar mentions that he is in a zone that offers NO cable... which is true, as he is in the middle of a business park, close to the Angel Stadium, and not close at all to residential zones.

How this guy is solving it? He signs up for TWC at home, then uses a Slingbox to transmit the signal over the internet to the bar, where he uses a laptop connected to his TV system to display the games.

Creative.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:18 PM

How this guy is solving it? He signs up for TWC at home, then uses a Slingbox to transmit the signal over the internet to the bar, where he uses a laptop connected to his TV system to display the games.

Creative.


Yes, very creative. But, not to rain on anyone's parade, but wouldn't he get in trouble for showing (re-transmitting) a residential broadcast feed for public viewing in a commercial establishment?

Perhaps he signed up for a commercial account with TWC for his home?

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:54 PM

Yes, very creative. But, not to rain on anyone's parade, but wouldn't he get in trouble for showing (re-transmitting) a residential broadcast feed for public viewing in a commercial establishment?

Perhaps he signed up for a commercial account with TWC for his home?


The only people who he could get in trouble with, is TWC. They may cancel his account if it is residential and not commercial.... he technically isn't breaking any laws if it is a commercial account. Don't know how TWC's TOS breaks this down of course.

One thing is for sure.... fans are a hell of a lot more touchy about this situation than with PAC12. At least with PAC12 people have options. Dish has it, and virtually all cable providers (besides Charter) has it... at least in the SoCal region.

Not so with TWCSN - NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE besides TWC themselves has it. This could get real ugly. If you live in southern OC (Cox) or Long Beach (Charter), Pasadena/Glendale (Charter), you could be shut out of most of the Lakers games soon.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:31 PM

The only people who he could get in trouble with, is TWC. They may cancel his account if it is residential and not commercial.... he technically isn't breaking any laws if it is a commercial account. Don't know how TWC's TOS breaks this down of course.

One thing is for sure.... fans are a hell of a lot more touchy about this situation than with PAC12. At least with PAC12 people have options. Dish has it, and virtually all cable providers (besides Charter) has it... at least in the SoCal region.

Not so with TWCSN - NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE besides TWC themselves has it. This could get real ugly. If you live in southern OC (Cox) or Long Beach (Charter), Pasadena/Glendale (Charter), you could be shut out of most of the Lakers games soon.


Ugly will be an understatement.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:57 PM

The only people who he could get in trouble with, is TWC. They may cancel his account if it is residential and not commercial.... he technically isn't breaking any laws if it is a commercial account. Don't know how TWC's TOS breaks this down of course.

One thing is for sure.... fans are a hell of a lot more touchy about this situation than with PAC12. At least with PAC12 people have options. Dish has it, and virtually all cable providers (besides Charter) has it... at least in the SoCal region.

Not so with TWCSN - NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE besides TWC themselves has it. This could get real ugly. If you live in southern OC (Cox) or Long Beach (Charter), Pasadena/Glendale (Charter), you could be shut out of most of the Lakers games soon.



Funny, stealing cable is a theft and is illegal. Stealing satellite services is theft and illegal. Copying and distributing movies is theft and is illegal. Don't be so sure that this isn't considered stealing if he has not cleared it with TWC.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:08 PM

Funny, stealing cable is a theft and is illegal. Stealing satellite services is theft and illegal. Copying and distributing movies is theft and is illegal. Don't be so sure that this isn't considered stealing if he has not cleared it with TWC.


Well... Assuming for a moment that he is paying for a commercial account with which he is allowed to show sports programs to the public.... which laws would he break if he receives the program on location A, and shows it to his customers on location B?

He isn't copying anything, he isn't stealing anything, he is just extending his reach. After all, the Slingbox device is perfectly legal as well - which is what he is using - if you as a residential customer wanted to watch the Lakers game from your hotel room in Toronto, Canada.

I'm not so sure he is breaking any LAWS here. And this is something that should be carefully understood: He might be breaking the TWC Terms of Service, and could be subjected to disconnection of his account per TWC's policy if this is the case, but I am not sure he is actually breaking a LAW at this point.

Would someone owning a Slingbox break the law? Nope.
Would someone owning a Slingbox, and using it to show a sports programming he is allowed to show to customers on a different location then where the cable terminates? I don't think so..... Again, not 100% sure, but I can't find any LAWS that he would break with it. Just, potentially, the TWC terms of service, which is something completely different.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:19 PM

I agree, if he has a commercial account at home, and is paying for the rights to show it to the occupancy rating of his bar (that's how those usually work, you pay a different amount according to the Fire Marshall's occupancy rating for your establishment) then I would say he probably isn't breaking any laws, and probably not even any TOS with Time Warner. However, he better hope Time Warner doesn't start imposing bandwidth caps/overage charges :lol:
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:20 PM

I wondering why he doesn't just sign in at his bar and stream it directly from twc assuming he has a TV connected to a computer.


I wonder if we won't see this channel pop up as a roku channel. That would be great, as long as they sold it a La cart on roku. I don't care as much how I get it, I just want it.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:30 PM

Well... Assuming for a moment that he is paying for a commercial account with which he is allowed to show sports programs to the public.... which laws would he break if he receives the program on location A, and shows it to his customers on location B?

He isn't copying anything, he isn't stealing anything, he is just extending his reach. After all, the Slingbox device is perfectly legal as well - which is what he is using - if you as a residential customer wanted to watch the Lakers game from your hotel room in Toronto, Canada.

I'm not so sure he is breaking any LAWS here. And this is something that should be carefully understood: He might be breaking the TWC Terms of Service, and could be subjected to disconnection of his account per TWC's policy if this is the case, but I am not sure he is actually breaking a LAW at this point.



Would someone owning a Slingbox break the law? Nope.
Would someone owning a Slingbox, and using it to show a sports programming he is allowed to show to customers on a different location then where the cable terminates? I don't think so..... Again, not 100% sure, but I can't find any LAWS that he would break with it. Just, potentially, the TWC terms of service, which is something completely different.


You are missing the point. The NBA itself (and all major sports, especially the UFC at this point) control retransmission rights to their product. He might be skirting his TWC TOS, but he is definitely tempting fate with the NBA.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:37 PM

Well... Assuming for a moment that he is paying for a commercial account with which he is allowed to show sports programs to the public.... which laws would he break if he receives the program on location A, and shows it to his customers on location B?

He isn't copying anything, he isn't stealing anything, he is just extending his reach. After all, the Slingbox device is perfectly legal as well - which is what he is using - if you as a residential customer wanted to watch the Lakers game from your hotel room in Toronto, Canada.

I'm not so sure he is breaking any LAWS here. And this is something that should be carefully understood: He might be breaking the TWC Terms of Service, and could be subjected to disconnection of his account per TWC's policy if this is the case, but I am not sure he is actually breaking a LAW at this point.

Would someone owning a Slingbox break the law? Nope.
Would someone owning a Slingbox, and using it to show a sports programming he is allowed to show to customers on a different location then where the cable terminates? I don't think so..... Again, not 100% sure, but I can't find any LAWS that he would break with it. Just, potentially, the TWC terms of service, which is something completely different.


Lots of assumptions and isn't the slingbox legal because it is fair use, place shifting like time shifting. I don't know if they ever ruled on slingboxes for commercial use.

I'm not saying he is breaking any law but to assume he is not is pretty naive or awfully assumptive that he crossed all his t's and dotted all his i's.

Whatever, it is pretty dumb to announce it publically.


Edit to add:

From the Slingbox website terms of service:

"The license granted to you by Sling Media is solely for your personal, lawful, non-commercial use in connection with a Slingbox owned by you and connected to an audiovisual source that you are lawfully entitled to view."

Also, adding:

Cable systems are granted to geographic areas. Importing for commercial purposes a cable signal for an area that is not entitled to that service (not just that it is not installed) sounds a bit shady.

Can't imagine what he is doing is not fraudulent (which in itself is illegal but only to a point of liability) but may be criminal.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:43 PM

From the Slingbox website terms of service:

"The license granted to you by Sling Media is solely for your personal, lawful, non-commercial use in connection with a Slingbox owned by you and connected to an audiovisual source that you are lawfully entitled to view."


To further reiterate what the Slingbox can and cannot be used for.

Taken straight from the Slingbox SlingPlayer Software License Agreement...

"2. Restictions:

YOU AGREE THAT THE SOFTWARE AND THE SLINGBOX WILL BE USED SOLELY FOR YOUR OWN PRIVATE AND PERSONAL PURPOSES, AND YOU WILL NOT PUBLICLY SHOW OR OTHERWISE MAKE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC OR ANY UNAUTHORIZED PARTY ANY CONTENT DELIVERED THROUGH THE SOFTWARE OR THE SLINGBOX."

As Tonyd79 had mentioned above, it is pretty clear that a Slingbox cannot be used for commercial purposes in any way (even if the bar owner had signed up for a TWC commercial account).
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