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#1051 ONLINE   sigma1914

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:14 PM

Charter is the smaller cable company with close to 600k customers in LA, SoCal, and some parts of central Cali.


Actually...

Charter has 360,000 subscribers in the Southern California area.

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#1052 OFFLINE   celticpride

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:18 PM

so how much are charter folks paying a month for these channels,its not really $12.95 a month is it? I have verizon and if they charge that much i'd rather not have the channels, but then again i'm not a laker fan anyway. I wouldnt mind having the channels i just dont want to pay a ridicolus amont of money for it.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:27 PM

Charter is the smaller cable company with close to 600k customers in LA, SoCal, and some parts of central Cali.

Verizon Fios though is pretty big and they literally own all of the ILEC zones in LA and Riverside counties.

A big problem with Directv and Cox and why they probably will be the last companies to reach agreements is because of the customer bases in the Lakers DMA zones.Cox is huge in San Diego, Orange County, and Las Vegas.


That's my thinking on it;

DIRECTV has perhaps 1.7 million subscribers in the Lakers' entire market. Therefore at the $3.95 per sub. per month rate TWC wants that's ~$7 million per month or $80 million per year, for what is essentially a one team channel at only 53 exclusive regular season games right now.

And in addition to this, though possibly at much reduced rate, fees for out of market Sports Pack subscribers who have access to the channels but not the actual games.

COX is in a similar situation with its approximately 1.2 million subscribers in the Lakers' market for around a $57 million per year cost at TWC's rates.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:42 PM

Charter is the smaller cable company with close to 600k customers in LA, SoCal, and some parts of central Cali.

Verizon Fios though is pretty big and they literally own all of the ILEC zones in LA and Riverside counties.

A big problem with Directv and Cox and why they probably will be the last companies to reach agreements is because of the customer bases in the Lakers DMA zones.Cox is huge in San Diego, Orange County, and Las Vegas.


FIOS and charter want have the channel nationally like DirecTV, and probably not even out of the Los Angeles market, where as cox and DirecTV probably want it to the entire Lakers market at a minimum.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:44 PM

If anyone's interested, the LA Times did a breakdown of subscribers in SoCal:

TWC: Over 2 million
DirecTV: 1.7 million
Cox: 1.2 million
Dish: 900,000
Verizon: 500,000
Charter: over 350,000

One of my friends who has FiOS doesn't care what tier they put it in, he's just glad he doesn't have to switch to TWC (which he was going to do).

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:45 PM

.......And in addition to this, though possibly at much reduced rate, fees for out of market Sports Pack subscribers who have access to the channels but not the actual games.
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The one Los Angeles times article I read made it sound like twc wants the same rate for all customers regardless of area, because otherwise, I don't know how they could possibly say twc wants $3.95 for all 12 million subs from DirecTV.

And that's assuming that there are a total of 12 subs between all the Lakers market and all the sports pack subs combined.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:47 PM

If anyone's interested, the LA Times did a breakdown of subscribers in SoCal:

TWC: Over 2 million
DirecTV: 1.7 million
Cox: 1.2 million
Dish: 900,000
Verizon: 500,000
Charter: over 350,000

One of my friends who has FiOS doesn't care what tier they put it in, he's just glad he doesn't have to switch to TWC (which he was going to do).


I think that's the Los Angeles market, not the Lakers market. I think DirecTV has more than twc does if its the entire Lakers market.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:18 PM

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The one Los Angeles times article I read made it sound like twc wants the same rate for all customers regardless of area, because otherwise, I don't know how they could possibly say twc wants $3.95 for all 12 million subs from DirecTV.

And that's assuming that there are a total of 12 subs between all the Lakers market and all the sports pack subs combined.


I can't hardly believe TWC would be that unreasonable to want to charge out of market Sports Pack customers the same full $3.95/sub./mo. rate when those customers cannot even view the actual Lakers games and must purchase LP separately for that purpose.

On what justification would they have for charging that for only Lakers' non-game programming? :nono:

Are SP subscribers allowed to see the re-broadcasts of the Lakers' games or something?

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:46 PM

I can't hardly believe TWC would be that unreasonable to want to charge out of market Sports Pack customers the same full $3.95/sub./mo. rate when those customers cannot even view the actual Lakers games and must purchase LP separately for that purpose.

On what justification would they have for charging that for only Lakers' non-game programming? :nono:

Are SP subscribers allowed to see the re-broadcasts of the Lakers' games or something?


Hey' the writer, could have been mistaken... If so, its ridiculous.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 03:06 PM

I still don't get what you where saying in that one post. You talking aout the sparks and such, and don't mention the Lakers. Sorry, juts didn't make sense.

As for following online, the quality really sucks. Not an acceptable option IMHO.


I'm talking about Fios and Charter, let them enjoy the Sparks and Galaxy and a partial Laker season. I don't want to pay extra money and many of the 12 million DirecTV customers don't want to pay for something as insignificant as this is. I have a 52" HD TV, i watch everything in HD, however, i'll gladly accept watching the Lakers in SD for 2 1/2 hours on a part time basis. The other Lakers games i'll watch in HD like ESPN, TNT, etc.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 03:24 PM

AT&T U-verse is on board now ....

http://www.twcsports...att-102712.html

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:04 PM

AT&T U-verse is on board now ....

http://www.twcsports...att-102712.html


Alas, finally we see the two channels not being in the exact same package. That's good news, as it seems that twc may be softening its stance in that from what was reported, which gives more hope to DirecTV picking it up.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:04 PM

AT&T U-verse is on board now ....

http://www.twcsports...att-102712.html


The clock is ticking and Directv better get a deal DONE before the season starts.

Verizon Fios, AT&T U-Verse, and Charter are all available in most places where Directv is offered in residential areas in the Lakers DMA zones.

Directv is really going to bleed & lose a ton of customers over this the longer they hold out.

Sports bars and other business are going to lose lots of $$$ over this bull**** with Directv holding out.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:08 PM

The clock is ticking and Directv better get a deal DONE before the season starts.

Verizon Fios, AT&T U-Verse, and Charter are all available in most places where Directv is offered in residential areas in the Lakers DMA zones.

Directv is really going to bleed & lose a ton of customers over this the longer they hold out.

Sports bars and other business are going to lose lots of $$$ over this bull**** with Directv holding out.


The Verizon and FIOS adds proves that twc is not holding out with DirecTV because they don't want the competition. Still though, we don't know what they are asking from DirecTV as they are different than any other provider that has signed up so far.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 05:31 PM

Could this list be right as far as RSN pricing is concerned?

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I don't disagree with the numbers, but the RSNs purchased ala carte would sure add to more than what we currently pay for the Sports Pak. Somebody with industry experience, please explain why that is.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 05:45 PM

AT&T U-verse is on board now ....

http://www.twcsports...att-102712.html


Nice! I have TWC and AT&T U-verse in my neighborhood. I currently get my internet from AT&T U-verse. Hmmm, now it looks like I have options. I may have to check the U-verse deals.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 05:45 PM

I don't disagree with the numbers, but the RSNs purchased ala carte would sure add to more than what we currently pay for the Sports Pak. Somebody with industry experience, please explain why that is.


If those numbers are right, they are likely only talking about in market. Out of market RSNs generally cost a lot less. There is no way DirecTV pays yes the same amount for someone that lives in Portland Oregon as it does for someone who lives in New York.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 05:48 PM

The clock is ticking and Directv better get a deal DONE before the season starts.

Verizon Fios, AT&T U-Verse, and Charter are all available in most places where Directv is offered in residential areas in the Lakers DMA zones.

Directv is really going to bleed & lose a ton of customers over this the longer they hold out.

Sports bars and other business are going to lose lots of $$$ over this bull**** with Directv holding out.


I'm actually shocked DIRECTV is holding out. Clearly TWC is willing to play ball. I think the bottleneck is quite obvious. :nono:

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 06:32 PM

Nice! I have TWC and AT&T U-verse in my neighborhood. I currently get my internet from AT&T U-verse. Hmmm, now it looks like I have options. I may have to check the U-verse deals.


They are offering a $200 visa gift card for new customers who sign up.A problem though that I've heard is that AT&T says it takes 6 to 8 weeks to get the gift card and some customers on U-Verse message boards like on dslreports.com are saying they don't get the gift card at all from AT&T for some BS reasons where AT&T says they didn't qualify for the gift card.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 07:06 PM

I'm actually shocked DIRECTV is holding out. Clearly TWC is willing to play ball. I think the bottleneck is quite obvious. :nono:


Not true at all. This all started happening yesterday, and if they really are asking Directv for $4.00 for everyone that is also a sub to sports pack anywhere in the country, then I would have to say no too. We don't have enough info, and likely never will.

I really hope that the other deals that are obviously different from what TWC was reportedly asking for in the first place have paved the way for a deal with Directv now, and its just a matter of working out the fine details, which there will be a little more involved with Directv and Dish if they get on board as well.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 07:07 PM

They are offering a $200 visa gift card for new customers who sign up.A problem though that I've heard is that AT&T says it takes 6 to 8 weeks to get the gift card and some customers on U-Verse message boards like on dslreports.com are saying they don't get the gift card at all from AT&T for some BS reasons where AT&T says they didn't qualify for the gift card.


You also have to keep the service for a certain amount of time to get the gift cards.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 07:45 PM

You also have to keep the service for a certain amount of time to get the gift cards.


That wouldn't be an issue for me.U-Verse was pretty damn good and pretty close picture quality wise to D* for HD content.

Only downside with U-Verse is their HD DVR which only lets you record 2 HD shows at one time while the HR34 has the ability to record 5 HD shows at one time.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 07:08 AM

The Verizon and FIOS adds proves that twc is not holding out with DirecTV because they don't want the competition. Still though, we don't know what they are asking from DirecTV as they are different than any other provider that has signed up so far.


While I don't think that is the motive, it does not prove it. Comcast does not want competition in Philly yet fios has CSN Philly.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 09:38 AM

[quote name='inkahauts']Not true at all. This all started happening yesterday, and if they really are asking Directv for $4.00 for everyone that is also a sub to sports pack anywhere in the country, then I would have to say no too. /QUOTE]

They couldn't possibly demand $4 for everyone because none of the other RSNs get the same fare for out of area customers, and more importantly, the big draw, the Lakers, wouldn't be available to those same out-of area subs. I'm am alum of SDSU, but even I wouldn't pay that much to see (pre-season AP 20th ranked basketball) Aztecs which TW is carrying some of its schedule.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 11:01 AM

They couldn't possibly demand $4 for everyone because none of the other RSNs get the same fare for out of area customers, and more importantly, the big draw, the Lakers, wouldn't be available to those same out-of area subs. I'm am alum of SDSU, but even I wouldn't pay that much to see (pre-season AP 20th ranked basketball) Aztecs which TW is carrying some of its schedule.


Agreed;

I think the main sticking point is as COX stated a few days ago, its a lot of money to pay for what is essentially a only one team network right now. Even if the coverage of that one team is year around from every conceivable angle. Now if TWC SN had say the Dodgers as well or something it would be different.

But as it is at current, the Sparks and Galaxy don't really count (no disrespect intended). So its the high cost of the estimated $3.95/sub./mo. for just 53 guaranteed exclusive regular season games on TWC SN multiplied by possibly some 2 million DIRECTV subscribers in the Lakers' market which is mainly holding up the deal I strongly suspect.




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