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#1251 OFFLINE   Stewpidity

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 06:41 AM

From twitter, take it for whats its worth, he claims evidence of "testing" but nothing new from Sixto in a few days...

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#1252 OFFLINE   iceturkee

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 06:42 AM

I think he is probably referring to the HD channel list that HDOrlando over at AVSForum keeps updated for BHN Orlando, FL.

http://www.avsforum....0#post_22442268

It appears they do count the channels that JoeTheDragon listed above in there totals.


thanks for poviding the link, i just checked on the part time. still more hd thatn dtv.

and for the record, again, i am not a guy!! :)

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 06:43 AM

From twitter, take it for whats its worth, he claims evidence of "testing" but nothing new from Sixto in a few days...

Swanni ‏@SwanniOnTV Will #Directv add #Lakers channel today? Some evidence of signal testing and there is a game tonight


lakers play pistons but dtv only showing one feed tonight!

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:21 AM

thanks for poviding the link, i just checked on the part time. still more hd thatn dtv.

and for the record, again, i am not a guy!! :)


They're counting MLB Extra Innings and things like that....local channels. D* broadcasts I think over 800 local channels in HD and they don't count them. Silly stuff.


1001 WUCF HD (PBS) Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1011/1918 WTMO (Telemundo) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1013/1213 Central Florida News 13 HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1015 WGN America HD
1016 WOPX (ION) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1018/1901 WVEN (Univision) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1020 WESH (NBC) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1027 WRDQ-27 (Indy Owned by WFTV) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1035 WOFL (Fox) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1050 WDSC (DSC)HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1060 WKMG (CBS) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1065 WRBW (My Network TV) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1080 WKCF (The CW) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1090 WFTV (ABC) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1102 Nickelodeon HD
1105 Disney Channel HD
1106 Disney Jr. HD
1107 Disney XD HD
1108 The Hub HD
1121 ABC Family HD
1122 Hallmark Channel HD
1123/1480 HD Movies On Demand Not a HD channel
1127 ESPN HD
1128 ESPN2 HD
1129 ESPN News HD
1131 ESPN U HD
1132/1914 ESPN Deportes HD
1133/1913 TWC Deportes National HD (Nuestros Canales) (Dec 11)
1134 TWC Sportsnet National HD (Sports Pass) (Dec 11)
1136 Fuel HD (Sports Pass)
1137 CBS Sports Network HD
1138 Big Ten Network HD (Sports Pass)
1139 Sports Pass HD OD (Sports Pass)
1140 NBA TV HD
1141 MLB Network HD
1142 YES Network HD (Sports Pass)
1143 MLB Strike Zone HD (Sports Pass) Not a 24/7 HD channel - no one counts this as a HD channel
1144 Pac 12 National HD (Sports Pass)
1145 NFL Network HD
1146 NFL RedZone HD (Sports Pass) Not a 24/7 HD channel - no one counts this as a HD channel
1147 Bright House Sports Network HD
1148 Sun Sports HD
1149 FOX Sports Florida HD
1151 NHL Network HD (Sports Pass)
1152 NBC Sports Network HD
1153 Speed HD
1154 Golf Channel HD
1155 Tennis Channel HD (Sports Pass)
1156 Outdoor Channel HD (Sports Pass)
1157 Sportsman Channel HD (Sports Pass)
1158 World Fishing Network HD (Sports Pass)
1159 Fox Soccer HD
1160 FOX Soccer Plus HD (Sports Pass)
1161/1916 Gol TV HD (Sports Pass)
1162 NESN HD (Sports Pass)
1163 beIN Sport HD (Sports Pass)
1175 Fox Sports Detroit HD (Sports Pass)
1176 Fox Sports Wisconsin HD (Sports Pass)
1177 SportSouth HD (Sports Pass)
1178 PrimeTicket HD (Sports Pass)
1190/1371 Mav TV (Sports Pass and HD Pak)
1192 Big Ten Network Extra Football Game 1 HD (Sports Pass)
1193 Big Ten Network Extra Football Game 2 HD (Sports Pass)
1196 ESPN Goal Line/Buzzer Beater HD (Sports Pass)
1209 Bay News 9 HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1210 New York 1 HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1211/1900 InfoMas HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1214 FOX News Channel HD
1215 CNN HD
1216 HLN HD
1218 MSNBC HD
1219 CNBC HD
1220 FOX Business News HD
1221 Bloomberg HD
1225 The Weather Channel HD
1226 C-SPAN HD
1227 C-SPAN2 HD
1228 C-SPAN3 HD
1230 NASA HD
1233 TV One HD
1234 BET HD
1235 Velocity HD
1236 TBS HD
1237 TNT HD
1238 USA Network HD
1239 A&E HD
1240 Bio HD
1241/1370 Smithsonian Channel HD (HD Pak)
1242 History Channel HD
1243 H2 HD
1246 Investigation Discovery HD
1247 Crime & Investigation Network HD
1250 HGTV HD
1252 Food Network HD
1253 The Cooking Channel HD
1254 DIY HD
1255 TLC HD
1256 Discovery Channel HD
1259 Animal Planet HD
1260 National Geographic Channel HD
1262 Nat Geo WILD HD
1264 Destination America HD
1265 Science Channel HD
1267 Travel Channel HD
1270 Oprah Winfrey Network HD
1271 Oxygen HD
1272 WE tv HD
1273 Lifetime HD
1278 BBC America HD
1280 GSN HD
1281 TV Land HD
1282 Cartoon Network HD
1283 FX HD
1284 G4 HD
1285 Spike HD
1286 Syfy HD
1291 Tru TV HD
1292 Comedy Central HD
1293 E! HD
1294 Style HD
1295 Bravo HD
1296 TV Guide Network HD
1300 Palladia HD
1301 MTV HD
1302 MTV2 HD
1306 VH1 HD
1311 FUSE HD
1314 CMT HD
1316 Ovation TV HD
1317 Gospel Music Channel HD
1325 HSN HD
1326 QVC HD
1327 ShopNBC HD
1340 EWTN HD
1354 Reelz HD
1355 AMC HD
1357 TCM HD
1359 Lifetime Movie Network HD
1372 Universal HD (HD Pak)
1373 MGM HD (HD Pak)
1374/1385 Hallmark Movie Channel HD (HD Pak and Movie Pass)
1375/1501 HD Showcase
1376/1560 Smithsonian Channel HD On Demand (HD Pak) They already counted Smithsonian above and now want to count the On Demand channel? :nono:
1377 Encore HD (Movie Pass)
1384 IFC HD (Movie Pass)
1388 Encore West HD (Movie Pass)
1389 Fox Movie Channel HD
1393 FearNet HD (Movie Pass)
1394 Movie Pass HD On Demand (Movie Pass) Not an HD channel
1400 HBO HD On Demand Not an HD channel
1401/243 HBO East HD
1402 HBO 2 East HD
1403 HBO Signature East HD
1404 HBO Family East HD
1405 HBO Comedy East HD
1406 HBO Zone East HD
1407 HBO Latino East HD
1408 HBO West HD
1420 Cinemax HD On Demand Not an HD channel
1421 Cinemax East HD
1422 MoreMAX East HD
1423 ActionMAX East HD
1424 ThrillerMax East HD
1425 WMAX East HD
1426 @Max East HD
1427 5StarMAX East HD
1428 OuterMAX East HD
1440 Showtime HD On Demand Not an HD channel
1441/259 Showtime East HD
1442 Showtime Too East HD
1443 Showtime Showcase East HD
1444 Showtime Women East HD
1445 Showtime Beyond East HD
1446 Showtime Next East HD
1447 Showtime Extreme East HD
1449 Showtime West HD
1450 Showtime Too West HD
1461 The Movie Channel East HD
1462 The Movie Channel Xtra HD
1463 The Movie Channel West HD
1464 The Movie Channel Xtra West HD
1466 Starz HD
1506 Primetime on Demand HD Not an HD channel
1691 Adult HD on Demand Not an HD channel
1692 Hustler HD
1693 Playboy HD
1770 3-D Special Events 1 Not an HD channel
1771 3-D Special Events 2 Not an HD channel
1772 ESPN 3-D ($10 3-D Pass)
1801 Team HD (NBA League pass and MLS Direct Kick ) Not an HD channel
1802 Team 2 HD Not an HD channel
1803 Team 3 HD Not an HD channel
1804 Team 4 HD Not an HD channel
1805 Team 5 HD Not an HD channel
1806 Team 6 HD Not an HD channel
1807 Team 7 HD Not an HD channel
1808 Team 8 HD Not an HD channel
1809 Team 9 HD Not an HD channel
1810 Game 1 HD (MLB Extra innings and NHL Center Ice) Not an HD channel
1811 Game 2 HD Not an HD channel
1812 Game 3 HD Not an HD channel
1813 Game 4 HD Not an HD channel
1814 Game 5 HD Not an HD channel
1815 Game 6 HD Not an HD channel
1816 Game 7 HD Not an HD channel
1817 Game 8 HD Not an HD channel
1818 Game 9 HD Not an HD channel
1850 HD PPV Events On Demand Not an HD channel
1851 HD PPV Events On Demand 2 Not an HD channel
1903 WOTF Telefutura HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1915 Fox Deportes HD (Nuestros Canales)
1917 Galavision HD
1919 beIN Sport espanol HD (Nuestros Canales
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:27 AM

The companies are run independantly of each other. Root will go through the same negotiating process with DIRECTV as it will for other companies. Anything could be done but business sense states it wouldn't be done. Your argument is speculative, and based on FUD, not on real business practices of multi billion dollar corporations.


Yes, day to day operations are run independently, but at the of the day the subsidiary is still the subsidiary and acts in the best interest of the parent. Everyone knows negotiating with yourself is a side show. It is not arm's length and the substance will always over-rule for the form chosen.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:27 AM

From twitter, take it for whats its worth, he claims evidence of "testing" but nothing new from Sixto in a few days...

Swanni ‏@SwanniOnTV Will #Directv add #Lakers channel today? Some evidence of signal testing and there is a game tonight


Did he state what testing or his source?

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:30 AM

You've got people in the industry (SatelliteRacer & ChicagoBlue) how this works, what's the issue?


If these guys were control characters in the corporate boardroom they certainly would not be posting here. If they were they'd be the subject of various insider issues that laws and corporate polices would certainly guard against. No doubt people that work for Directv may have their opinions. But you don't see anyone in a control position masquerading here.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:35 AM

Look, you disagree with everyone else. My personal experience says your wrong, but I am sure there are plenty of times your right too. There is no absolute. However, since sat racer said in the exact instances we are discussing with regards to root, etc, you are wrong, I think that this particular part of this discussion has now run its course.

Lets just leave that as is and move on.


http://www.keyt.com/...-175892431.html Time Warner itself has brought the related party relationship with Root into the question, so your assertion it has run its course is your opinion only as Time Warner, in multiple press releases, has brought this all forward. Here is just one, but it's all over. Time Warner is no fool, they know the relationship with Root is a controlled subsidiary:

“With the Los Angeles Lakers, LA Galaxy and Los Angeles Sparks, two networks and unprecedented behind-the-scenes programming, Time Warner Cable SportsNet and Time Warner Cable Deportes are delivering tremendous value for Southern California sports fans. Any assertion that we are the highest priced regional sports outlet in the country is simply untrue; as a significant buyer of regional sports across the country, we know that there are higher priced regional sports networks, including Root Sports that we buy from DirecTV. Cox and DirecTV know that there is no regional sports network anywhere in the country that is offered on an optional tier — that would be unprecedented. If Cox or DirecTV choose not to carry our networks, we and their customers will be very disappointed but we are confident there will be other alternatives for their customers to see this highly-anticipated Lakers season.”

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:21 AM

Did he state what testing or his source?


nope, that is why i said "take it for what its worth" and/or "nothing from Sixto in a few days"

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:47 AM

They're counting MLB Extra Innings and things like that....local channels. D* broadcasts I think over 800 local channels in HD and they don't count them. Silly stuff.


1001 WUCF HD (PBS) Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1011/1918 WTMO (Telemundo) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1013/1213 Central Florida News 13 HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1015 WGN America HD
1016 WOPX (ION) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1018/1901 WVEN (Univision) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1020 WESH (NBC) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1027 WRDQ-27 (Indy Owned by WFTV) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1035 WOFL (Fox) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1050 WDSC (DSC)HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1060 WKMG (CBS) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1065 WRBW (My Network TV) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1080 WKCF (The CW) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1090 WFTV (ABC) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1102 Nickelodeon HD
1105 Disney Channel HD
1106 Disney Jr. HD
1107 Disney XD HD
1108 The Hub HD
1121 ABC Family HD
1122 Hallmark Channel HD
1123/1480 HD Movies On Demand Not a HD channel
1127 ESPN HD
1128 ESPN2 HD
1129 ESPN News HD
1131 ESPN U HD
1132/1914 ESPN Deportes HD
1133/1913 TWC Deportes National HD (Nuestros Canales) (Dec 11)
1134 TWC Sportsnet National HD (Sports Pass) (Dec 11)
1136 Fuel HD (Sports Pass)
1137 CBS Sports Network HD
1138 Big Ten Network HD (Sports Pass)
1139 Sports Pass HD OD (Sports Pass)
1140 NBA TV HD
1141 MLB Network HD
1142 YES Network HD (Sports Pass)
1143 MLB Strike Zone HD (Sports Pass) Not a 24/7 HD channel - no one counts this as a HD channel
1144 Pac 12 National HD (Sports Pass)
1145 NFL Network HD
1146 NFL RedZone HD (Sports Pass) Not a 24/7 HD channel - no one counts this as a HD channel
1147 Bright House Sports Network HD
1148 Sun Sports HD
1149 FOX Sports Florida HD
1151 NHL Network HD (Sports Pass)
1152 NBC Sports Network HD
1153 Speed HD
1154 Golf Channel HD
1155 Tennis Channel HD (Sports Pass)
1156 Outdoor Channel HD (Sports Pass)
1157 Sportsman Channel HD (Sports Pass)
1158 World Fishing Network HD (Sports Pass)
1159 Fox Soccer HD
1160 FOX Soccer Plus HD (Sports Pass)
1161/1916 Gol TV HD (Sports Pass)
1162 NESN HD (Sports Pass)
1163 beIN Sport HD (Sports Pass)
1175 Fox Sports Detroit HD (Sports Pass)
1176 Fox Sports Wisconsin HD (Sports Pass)
1177 SportSouth HD (Sports Pass)
1178 PrimeTicket HD (Sports Pass)
1190/1371 Mav TV (Sports Pass and HD Pak)
1192 Big Ten Network Extra Football Game 1 HD (Sports Pass)
1193 Big Ten Network Extra Football Game 2 HD (Sports Pass)
1196 ESPN Goal Line/Buzzer Beater HD (Sports Pass)
1209 Bay News 9 HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1210 New York 1 HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1211/1900 InfoMas HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1214 FOX News Channel HD
1215 CNN HD
1216 HLN HD
1218 MSNBC HD
1219 CNBC HD
1220 FOX Business News HD
1221 Bloomberg HD
1225 The Weather Channel HD
1226 C-SPAN HD
1227 C-SPAN2 HD
1228 C-SPAN3 HD
1230 NASA HD
1233 TV One HD
1234 BET HD
1235 Velocity HD
1236 TBS HD
1237 TNT HD
1238 USA Network HD
1239 A&E HD
1240 Bio HD
1241/1370 Smithsonian Channel HD (HD Pak)
1242 History Channel HD
1243 H2 HD
1246 Investigation Discovery HD
1247 Crime & Investigation Network HD
1250 HGTV HD
1252 Food Network HD
1253 The Cooking Channel HD
1254 DIY HD
1255 TLC HD
1256 Discovery Channel HD
1259 Animal Planet HD
1260 National Geographic Channel HD
1262 Nat Geo WILD HD
1264 Destination America HD
1265 Science Channel HD
1267 Travel Channel HD
1270 Oprah Winfrey Network HD
1271 Oxygen HD
1272 WE tv HD
1273 Lifetime HD
1278 BBC America HD
1280 GSN HD
1281 TV Land HD
1282 Cartoon Network HD
1283 FX HD
1284 G4 HD
1285 Spike HD
1286 Syfy HD
1291 Tru TV HD
1292 Comedy Central HD
1293 E! HD
1294 Style HD
1295 Bravo HD
1296 TV Guide Network HD
1300 Palladia HD
1301 MTV HD
1302 MTV2 HD
1306 VH1 HD
1311 FUSE HD
1314 CMT HD
1316 Ovation TV HD
1317 Gospel Music Channel HD
1325 HSN HD
1326 QVC HD
1327 ShopNBC HD
1340 EWTN HD
1354 Reelz HD
1355 AMC HD
1357 TCM HD
1359 Lifetime Movie Network HD
1372 Universal HD (HD Pak)
1373 MGM HD (HD Pak)
1374/1385 Hallmark Movie Channel HD (HD Pak and Movie Pass)
1375/1501 HD Showcase
1376/1560 Smithsonian Channel HD On Demand (HD Pak) They already counted Smithsonian above and now want to count the On Demand channel? :nono:
1377 Encore HD (Movie Pass)
1384 IFC HD (Movie Pass)
1388 Encore West HD (Movie Pass)
1389 Fox Movie Channel HD
1393 FearNet HD (Movie Pass)
1394 Movie Pass HD On Demand (Movie Pass) Not an HD channel
1400 HBO HD On Demand Not an HD channel
1401/243 HBO East HD
1402 HBO 2 East HD
1403 HBO Signature East HD
1404 HBO Family East HD
1405 HBO Comedy East HD
1406 HBO Zone East HD
1407 HBO Latino East HD
1408 HBO West HD
1420 Cinemax HD On Demand Not an HD channel
1421 Cinemax East HD
1422 MoreMAX East HD
1423 ActionMAX East HD
1424 ThrillerMax East HD
1425 WMAX East HD
1426 @Max East HD
1427 5StarMAX East HD
1428 OuterMAX East HD
1440 Showtime HD On Demand Not an HD channel
1441/259 Showtime East HD
1442 Showtime Too East HD
1443 Showtime Showcase East HD
1444 Showtime Women East HD
1445 Showtime Beyond East HD
1446 Showtime Next East HD
1447 Showtime Extreme East HD
1449 Showtime West HD
1450 Showtime Too West HD
1461 The Movie Channel East HD
1462 The Movie Channel Xtra HD
1463 The Movie Channel West HD
1464 The Movie Channel Xtra West HD
1466 Starz HD
1506 Primetime on Demand HD Not an HD channel
1691 Adult HD on Demand Not an HD channel
1692 Hustler HD
1693 Playboy HD
1770 3-D Special Events 1 Not an HD channel
1771 3-D Special Events 2 Not an HD channel
1772 ESPN 3-D ($10 3-D Pass)
1801 Team HD (NBA League pass and MLS Direct Kick ) Not an HD channel
1802 Team 2 HD Not an HD channel
1803 Team 3 HD Not an HD channel
1804 Team 4 HD Not an HD channel
1805 Team 5 HD Not an HD channel
1806 Team 6 HD Not an HD channel
1807 Team 7 HD Not an HD channel
1808 Team 8 HD Not an HD channel
1809 Team 9 HD Not an HD channel
1810 Game 1 HD (MLB Extra innings and NHL Center Ice) Not an HD channel
1811 Game 2 HD Not an HD channel
1812 Game 3 HD Not an HD channel
1813 Game 4 HD Not an HD channel
1814 Game 5 HD Not an HD channel
1815 Game 6 HD Not an HD channel
1816 Game 7 HD Not an HD channel
1817 Game 8 HD Not an HD channel
1818 Game 9 HD Not an HD channel
1850 HD PPV Events On Demand Not an HD channel
1851 HD PPV Events On Demand 2 Not an HD channel
1903 WOTF Telefutura HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1915 Fox Deportes HD (Nuestros Canales)
1917 Galavision HD
1919 beIN Sport espanol HD (Nuestros Canales


Hope Directv adds some of the HD channels they have such as Fox Movie Channel, TV Land, LMN, HLN, ID, REELZ HD etc. Very impressive.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:08 PM

Yes, day to day operations are run independently, but at the of the day the subsidiary is still the subsidiary and acts in the best interest of the parent. Everyone knows negotiating with yourself is a side show. It is not arm's length and the substance will always over-rule for the form chosen.


I respectfully disagree. When you have MFNs and such with these contracts and negotiations, D* will pay for programming from Root the same as any other provider. That way my point earlier. Fox would charge D* every bit the amount they charged Dish, Cox or anyone else even when Newscorp owned D* and Fox. Contracts are contracts.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:11 PM

Hope Directv adds some of the HD channels they have such as Fox Movie Channel, TV Land, LMN, HLN, ID, REELZ HD etc. Very impressive.


I'm sure some of those Bright House folks wish they would add the missing 20 or so RSN's in HD that D* has that they don't down there. Etc, etc. ;) No one has it all.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:22 PM

nope, that is why i said "take it for what its worth" and/or "nothing from Sixto in a few days"

Sixto was with out power last week due to hurricane Sandy, not sure if he got it back yet.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:36 PM

Sixto was with out power last week due to hurricane Sandy, not sure if he got it back yet.


Plus, SR has yet to dispute ChicagoBlue's statement about getting TWSN within a week. :D

Soon :lol:

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:43 PM

http://www.keyt.com/...-175892431.html Time Warner itself has brought the related party relationship with Root into the question, so your assertion it has run its course is your opinion only as Time Warner, in multiple press releases, has brought this all forward. Here is just one, but it's all over. Time Warner is no fool, they know the relationship with Root is a controlled subsidiary:

"With the Los Angeles Lakers, LA Galaxy and Los Angeles Sparks, two networks and unprecedented behind-the-scenes programming, Time Warner Cable SportsNet and Time Warner Cable Deportes are delivering tremendous value for Southern California sports fans. Any assertion that we are the highest priced regional sports outlet in the country is simply untrue; as a significant buyer of regional sports across the country, we know that there are higher priced regional sports networks, including Root Sports that we buy from DirecTV. Cox and DirecTV know that there is no regional sports network anywhere in the country that is offered on an optional tier -- that would be unprecedented. If Cox or DirecTV choose not to carry our networks, we and their customers will be very disappointed but we are confident there will be other alternatives for their customers to see this highly-anticipated Lakers season."



No one here thinks root is charging $4 a month, not anyone with a brain anyway. Twc was just trying to spin that, as they are trying to say they charge less per channel for their two channels, it since they are almost the same thing and are only sold as a package, its a total crock.

And of course they are going to call that into question. Wouldn't you spin anything you could to get a deal and look like the good guy?

And they failed to mention they tried to get several RSNs onto specialty sports tiers last year and failed...

Please don't resort to using spin statements from either company's publicity department on how stations that are owned by providers are handled and their contracts between them.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:45 PM

Hope Directv adds some of the HD channels they have such as Fox Movie Channel, TV Land, LMN, HLN, ID, REELZ HD etc. Very impressive.


Well, even if they don't add the linear channels, they are starting to offer Hi Definition programing on demand for channels they only have in sd.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:57 PM

No one here thinks root is charging $4 a month, not anyone with a brain anyway. Twc was just trying to spin that, as they are trying to say they charge less per channel for their two channels, it since they are almost the same thing and are only sold as a package, its a total crock.

And of course they are going to call that into question. Wouldn't you spin anything you could to get a deal and look like the good guy?

And they failed to mention they tried to get several RSNs onto specialty sports tiers last year and failed...

Please don't resort to using spin statements from either company's publicity department on how stations that are owned by providers are handled and their contracts between them.


Oh please. Fact remains as a 100% owned and controlled subsidiary it follows what is of the best interest of the parent corporation.

This new Laker channel is also a 100% owned and controlled subsidiary of Time Warner. It follows what is good for Time Warner.

Comcast Sportsnet Philadadelpha and Northwest are 100% owned and controlled by Comcast and follow the party line.

You are pretty naive to believe that any of these sports channels operates at arm's length from it's parent company. They may have day to day managers of the people, but the overall goal of the company is to maximizing the parent's profit and other customer reach benchmarks.

Can you honestly believe that Directv is not pulling the strings at Root Sports....seriously?

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:58 PM

From twitter, take it for whats its worth, he claims evidence of "testing" but nothing new from Sixto in a few days...

Swanni ?@SwanniOnTV Will #Directv add #Lakers channel today? Some evidence of signal testing and there is a game tonight


Sixto likely without power. He lives in the northeast.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:02 PM

Sixto likely without power. He lives in the northeast.


DirecTV and SatelliteRacer however HAVE power, and there IS a game on tonight that isn't on national TV. They could confirm or deny it will be carried.

As a matter of fact.... NONE of the games for the rest of this MONTH will be on any other channel besides TWC's SportsNet.

Also: Testing does not mean a deal has been reached. We have seen this with ION.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:06 PM

The world has changed, this isn't 2000 anymore, it's not even 2010 anymore. You cannot run a business where your number one product...content...is growing in expense at double digit rates every year and most of that driven by sports. You can't do it if your paying customer can only withstand a mid, single digit price increase. It's a pathway to bankruptcy.


I have said exactly this. The whole market and playing field for RSNs is changing.

What I did say is that for all the stuff Directv has tried and said it has not placed a single sports channel on an ala carte tier and yet singles out the Pac 12 for this. It just renegoitiated contracts with CBS and is still carrying CBS sports in the same tiers. It carries fuel, speed, sportsman, pursuit, etc. in regular tiers, but it singles out the Pac 12 for the fight and lets these others all go untouched? I say put them all on ala carte or a sports pack as well. I also say have a kids pack, and a pack for all the crap from Viacom. Those that want to pay for six MTV/VH-1 channels with absolutely stupid content can do so.

Sports draws fans. I've also said that somehow, someway Dish has found a way to carry the Pac 12 on it's 120+ tier and, at the same time, charge a substantially lower price for it's packages.....how does it do this? That I am curious about. Maybe Directv's profit is so watered down because it pays up the nose for NFL Sunday Ticket at the expense of everything else?


When future RSNs come up for contract, you're going to see some major wars go on unless they back down (which they won't). Part of what DTV is doing right now is firing several shots across the bow. Now, you may not appreciate that but they clearly are. They are saying squarely to the business, the days of just coming to DTV and exepecting a layup are over. The costs are out of control, we're not buying anymore at those rates. Whether is Pac 12, the Lakers, Houston, or others. With the SEC gearing up for their own channel, rumors of the Big East and others, this is a show across the bow. At the end of the day, these guys need DTV's 20 million subscribers to pay their bills so DTV is willing to take some subscriber losses now to get these guys in line for the long term. Whether it works or not no one will know for a few years.


Never said otherwise, so I am not sure what you are talking about. Costs are out of control and RSNs are fighting for their lives. Their revenue stream is threatened with every single new channel that pops up (i.e. Pac 12, SEC if it comes about, etc.) This is all content that will come from RSNs.

RSNs are also being increasingly controlled by teams as well, taking away additional profit activities.

But Directv (or whomever) has a self interest in preserving the status quo (i.e. keep Pac 12 off it's systems, keep CSN-NW off its systems, etc.) because it's direct competitor is Pac 12 Network, etc.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:11 PM

From twitter, take it for whats its worth, he claims evidence of "testing" but nothing new from Sixto in a few days...

Swanni ‏@SwanniOnTV Will #Directv add #Lakers channel today? Some evidence of signal testing and there is a game tonight

Looks like he was responding to this:

@SwanniOnTV - Borrowed this pic from someone who posted in a Laker forum about the DTV/TWC "situation". Strange... http://t.co/1ZPcGgKk (https://twitter.com/...889795447238656)



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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:11 PM

Oh please. Fact remains as a 100% owned and controlled subsidiary it follows what is of the best interest of the parent corporation.

This new Laker channel is also a 100% owned and controlled subsidiary of Time Warner. It follows what is good for Time Warner.

Comcast Sportsnet Philadadelpha and Northwest are 100% owned and controlled by Comcast and follow the party line.

You are pretty naive to believe that any of these sports channels operates at arm's length from it's parent company. They may have day to day managers of the people, but the overall goal of the company is to maximizing the parent's profit and other customer reach benchmarks.

Can you honestly believe that Directv is not pulling the strings at Root Sports....seriously?


No, I think you are naive if you think that a parent company would run a small subsidiary at a loss on its books, when it can charge the larger company a fee that would make the small one profitable, allowing the big company to take the hit because it can easily absorb it because it has so many other sources of income, plus that might lend itself to more tax breaks, and allow them to say to other providers, hey, we charge ourselves this much, why would I charge you less. That's logical. I don't know why you think the big company would force the small fry in the company to take a hit when there are so many more reasons to have the big company take a hit.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:11 PM

Point being the guy that tells us stuff is being tested hasnt bewn heard from sixe Sandy. Its possible its being tested. Its possible that its not. The fact that there is a game tonight is largely irrelevant.

Sure they could confirm but that is not consistent with what they tell us. SR tells us that a channel is coming not that it's being tested. CB tells us that he thinks it will be done (and tends to be right). Neither tells us anything about testing because as you point out - testing doesn't mean a deal is done.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:14 PM

I respectfully disagree. When you have MFNs and such with these contracts and negotiations, D* will pay for programming from Root the same as any other provider. That way my point earlier. Fox would charge D* every bit the amount they charged Dish, Cox or anyone else even when Newscorp owned D* and Fox. Contracts are contracts.


All contracts are not equal. A contract with a third party is a true gauge on the true value. A contract with myself is nothing more than the paper it is written on. Funny how Time Warner is not having a problem getting it's 100% owned sub on it's own systems. But look elsewhere and it is struggling. Funny how CSN-Philadelphia has disputes with many providers over cost, but finds its way - without issue - to a system in the same controlled group. WHY? Because the parent company has made a calculated risk on price. By setting the price to third parties high enough it discourages competition for cable/satellite from carrying the same channel.

If I charge company A $1 my revenue is $1 and my expense is $1. I net to zero in the controlled group. True market may be 50 cents and since I set it at $1 no one else carries the channel. At the opposite end, because I am cable company A I keep subs I might otherwise lose. Overall company A and it's controlled subsidiaries come out way ahead. It's a basic premise. I charge myself whatever I want knowing that consolidated-wise I am the same. I keep competitors out.

If I control both sides of the transaction then it is NOT at arm's length. It's the same arm.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:16 PM

I'm sure some of those Bright House folks wish they would add the missing 20 or so RSN's in HD that D* has that they don't down there. Etc, etc. ;) No one has it all.


and some of us dtv customers would like to have the number of basic national hd that my cable company has. i'm lucky right now, i can afford both. but come january somebody is going to get the boot.




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