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#1276 OFFLINE   HoTat2

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:17 PM

DirecTV and SatelliteRacer however HAVE power, and there IS a game on tonight that isn't on national TV. They could confirm or deny it will be carried.

As a matter of fact.... NONE of the games for the rest of this MONTH will be on any other channel besides TWC's SportsNet.

Also: Testing does not mean a deal has been reached. We have seen this with ION.


"Practically" the rest of the month, yes;

Until Nov. 30th anyhow with Denver at the Lakers to be nationally broadcast by ESPN along with TWC SN.

The previous 12 games beginning tonight though are exclusively on TWC SN.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:18 PM

No, I think you are naive if you think that a parent company would run a small subsidiary at a loss on its books, when it can charge the larger company a fee that would make the small one profitable, allowing the big company to take the hit because it can easily absorb it because it has so many other sources of income, plus that might lend itself to more tax breaks, and allow them to say to other providers, hey, we charge ourselves this much, why would I charge you less. That's logical. I don't know why you think the big company would force the small fry in the company to take a hit when there are so many more reasons to have the big company take a hit.


Well, Wall Street, SEC, bankers, IRS, regulators GAAP, IFRS, will all say otherwise for very good reason because a controlled subsidiary is no different from the parent at all. Related companies all file tax returns and prepare financial statements for consolidated groups. Even if a subsidiary elects not to be taxed as part of the consolidated group it nevertheless absorbs it's corporate parent (and all other subs) tax attributes so whether it is on one form or multiple the net tax will be the same.

Stock market price is set by the market (that is, willing buyers and sellers). In the end they could largely care less about how the pots are filled inside the company. Now there could be motivation (if a parent wants to sell a sub instead) to make one sub look good and shift profits over there by changing it's intercompany revenue structure. But true buyers will see through that because they research their purchase. This is exactly what a business appraiser, economist, or valuation engineer will do - determine the true arm's length value w/o any compulsion of insider dealing.

I don't know why you think the big company would force the small fry in the company to take a hit when there are so many more reasons to have the big company take a hit.


Because in the end it is a complete WASH to the parent company. Whether it costs $4 or not is irrelevant. I charge myself $4 and I take in revenue of $4 and I just allocated costs all over the place with NO CHANGE WHATSOEVER in consolidated Net Income. At the same time Time Warner (or whomever, change the names to someone else!) will get and retain existing customers ensuring additional revenue streams from customers that might otherwise leave if they had a choice! So overall the company makes MORE money!

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:19 PM

Point being the guy that tells us stuff is being tested hasnt bewn heard from sixe Sandy. Its possible its being tested. Its possible that its not. The fact that there is a game tonight is largely irrelevant.

Sure they could confirm but that is not consistent with what they tell us. SR tells us that a channel is coming not that it's being tested. CB tells us that he thinks it will be done (and tends to be right). Neither tells us anything about testing because as you point out - testing doesn't mean a deal is done.


knowing swanni, the testing he is probably referring too was an incident mentioned here a few weeks ago. somone saw a twc sportsnet certain program on another channel.

i would be surprised if this is really in test or we would have seen it by now.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:43 PM

Yep, I remember how long it took for Time Warner/BHN to add HBO/MAX GO to there service even though there the parent company of Home Box Office Inc.


Just wanted to note that Time Warner Cable is a completely separate company from Time Warner -- they're only using the Time Warner name as part of a licensing agreement.

Hence the network under discussion in this thread having the specific name "Time Warner Cable SportsNet" -- they're owned by Time Warner Cable, not Time Warner; therefore, they're not affiliated with Time Warner-owned channels such as HBO and CNN.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:47 PM

It's time to drop the finer points of channel lineups and return to the topic of the Lakers Network.

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#1281 OFFLINE   HoTat2

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:49 PM

knowing swanni, the testing he is probably referring too was an incident mentioned here a few weeks ago. somone saw a twc sportsnet certain program on another channel.

i would be surprised if this is really in test or we would have seen it by now.


Well the test channel with TWC SN programming I reported awhile back in this thread is still showing;

Listed as "*DTV" on ch. "9732."

This and perhaps others reporting similar hints of testing at that time with TWC SN programs showing up during show searches on their DIRECTV iPhone and iPad apps. is probably what Swanni who regularly monitors this forum is referring to.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:51 PM

Well the test channel with TWC SN programming I reported awhile back in this thread is still showing;

Listed as "*DTV" on ch. "9732."

This and perhaps others reporting similar hints of testing at that time with TWC SN programs showing up during show searches on their DIRECTV iPhone and iPad apps. is probably what Swanni who regularly monitors this forum is referring to.


right, i clicked on the twitter link and saw the test channel.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:58 PM

knowing swanni, the testing he is probably referring too was an incident mentioned here a few weeks ago. somone saw a twc sportsnet certain program on another channel.

i would be surprised if this is really in test or we would have seen it by now.


No. He's referring to the fact that twc sn programming is showing up in the iPhone app.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 02:53 PM

It's in test:
10	*DTV	9732	14	D11 @99W	99C	1060	TWC Lakers HD
I was without power, but gct did post it in the transponder table last Wednesday.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:01 PM

It's been there since 10/26, just didn't notice it at the time because it was just labeled *DTV:

http://www.dbstalk.c...214#post3125214

Futher data shows it's the Lakers channel.

There's an SD version as well at 9733.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:09 PM

No. He's referring to the fact that twc sn programming is showing up in the iPhone app.


It's not in my iPhone app.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:10 PM

It's been there since 10/26, just didn't notice it at the time because it was just labeled *DTV: http://www.dbstalk.c...214#post3125214Futher data shows it's the Lakers channel.

There's an SD version as well at 9733.


Did you see the Spanish channel? If not, I suspect this is all about league pass.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:14 PM

It should be noted that it's not being tested in the usual way, so there's always the chance that it's just for a league subscription package or some other plan.

Usually a 7x24 HD channel would use the real 7x24 channel number and an asterisk in front of the real name while in TEST. In this case it's in the 9700's.

So all this proves is that it's in test, not necessarily that it's coming soon as a 7x24 linear HD channel. It may, but this doesn't hint at that.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 04:40 PM

and some of us dtv customers would like to have the number of basic national hd that my cable company has. i'm lucky right now, i can afford both. but come january somebody is going to get the boot.


Understood. More HD is coming and will continue to come.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 04:55 PM

I'm sure some of those Bright House folks wish they would add the missing 20 or so RSN's in HD that D* has that they don't down there. Etc, etc. ;) No one has it all.


As usual, you make a good point. I just hope we get more basic HD channels, sooner rather than later, and i believe we will.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 05:10 PM

As usual, you make a good point. I just hope we get more basic HD channels, sooner rather than later, and i believe we will.


I have to believe that any channel we now have Hi Definition Video On Demand for will be coming to DirecTV in Hi Definition linear format at some point, but logistics is the hold back for those particular channels.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 05:24 PM

I have to believe that any channel we now have Hi Definition Video On Demand for will be coming to DirecTV in Hi Definition linear format at some point, but logistics is the hold back for those particular channels.


To anyones knowledge, has it ever happened before that VOD HD content has preceded an HD channel launch? If not, I hope this will be a first.

Edited by ep1974, 04 November 2012 - 05:44 PM.


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Posted 04 November 2012 - 06:53 PM

To anyones knowledge, has it ever happened before that VOD HD content has preceded an HD channel launch? If not, I hope this will be a first.


No, but in the past week, we have started seeing all kinds of hd vod content show up for channels we only get in sd, so it seems logical they have the rights to the hd linear feeds if they can show the on demand feeds.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 06:56 PM

It's not in my iPhone app.


It's in mine. You search lakers, don't hit enter, and you see a myriad of twc sn programming.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 07:02 PM

Lakers 0-3
Vs.
Pistons 0-2

If the Lakers lose tonight, Time Warner Cable will have to pay DIRECTV $3.95 per subscriber. :lol:

Lakers playing tonight.....check
TV turned on....check
Beer in hand.....check
TWC SportsNet on DIRECTV.......eeeerrrrr

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 07:21 PM

No, but in the past week, we have started seeing all kinds of hd vod content show up for channels we only get in sd, so it seems logical they have the rights to the hd linear feeds if they can show the on demand feeds.


Sounds logical to me. Hope we see some new HD channels soon.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 07:52 PM

Lakers 0-3
Vs.
Pistons 0-2

If the Lakers lose tonight, Time Warner Cable will have to pay DIRECTV $3.95 per subscriber. :lol:


But in an ironic twist when people point out how this is the worst Lakers start since '78, I'd actually take that start right now.

I remember that season, it was the '78-'79 one right before Magic Johnson arrived. And after an 0-3 start on the road the Lakers came home and ran off about 14 straight wins and became one of the hottest teams in the NBA.

Then a key player in that streak, a forward named Adrian Dantley who's play was outstanding, got injured and the team came back down to earth.

... Lakers playing tonight.....check
TV turned on....check
Beer in hand.....check
TWC SportsNet on DIRECTV.......eeeerrrrr

:mad:


And even here ironically I'll take the 0-3 start '78-'79 season over this one in this respect since at least I could see all the home games on "ON TV" at the time, and of course what was then KHJ (now KCAL) channel 9 for the road. :mad:

Edited by HoTat2, 04 November 2012 - 07:57 PM.


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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:23 PM

To anyones knowledge, has it ever happened before that VOD HD content has preceded an HD channel launch? If not, I hope this will be a first.


A year or two ago, E! had ONE HD VOD program, but E! didn't actually go live as a linear channel until earlier this year.


On a slightly more on-topic comment, I guess Shaylene Benson isn't a Laker Girl anymore.... :(

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:33 PM

Question, Why do I get the Lakers/Detroit Game on NBA League Pass. I live in San Marcos, CA (Clearly in Lakers DMA) I am seeing the game on NBALP free preview 756-1.
It's only tv!

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:39 PM

Lakers feed is part of the nba league pass broadband for those that want the lakers feed.




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