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#1351 OFFLINE   TravelFan1

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 07:34 AM

The pre-Mike White days programming costs were going up 5% and could be recovered with 4% to 5% price increases. Now they are going up 10% a year, and can't be recovered with price increases. Those are the realities of today's world.

I know economy is in worse shape than, say, the late 90s. That said, when you run a business, the idea is the perception about your business is that it is such a value-added proposition, people are willing to pay a premium for it. IMHO, that was Directv pre-Mike White. The Mike White Directv is choosing that they are better off saving some bucks, so being the premium provider that could charge more for its services is no longer as important.

For now, I'll stay with Directv, as it carries all NY-RSNs and the Uefa Champions League and the Uefa Europa league games. That said, just like Directv is firing warning shots to the local RSNs saying the days of paying any price to a local RSN are over, I"m also firing my warning shot: Drop MSG or MSG+ and I'm out.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 08:03 AM

I know economy is in worse shape than, say, the late 90s. That said, when you run a business, the idea is the perception about your business is that it is such a value-added proposition, people are willing to pay a premium for it. IMHO, that was Directv pre-Mike White. The Mike White Directv is choosing that they are better off saving some bucks, so being the premium provider that could charge more for its services is no longer as important.

For now, I'll stay with Directv, as it carries all NY-RSNs and the Uefa Champions League and the Uefa Europa league games. That said, just like Directv is firing warning shots to the local RSNs saying the days of paying any price to a local RSN are over, I"m also firing my warning shot: Drop MSG or MSG+ and I'm out.


So true...for the 'what are you worried about, you're out of market and you'll still receive Laker games' crowd, the point is that ALL RSN's and sports channels will come up for negotiation at one time or another. If more stalemates are to be reached, and more channels will not be on DirecTV...EVERYONE is potentially affected.

It could get painful for a lot of people.


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Posted 06 November 2012 - 08:36 AM

So true...for the 'what are you worried about, you're out of market and you'll still receive Laker games' crowd, the point is that ALL RSN's and sports channels will come up for negotiation at one time or another. If more stalemates are to be reached, and more channels will not be on DirecTV...EVERYONE is potentially affected.

It could get painful for a lot of people.

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Sure your name isn't Cassandra? ;)

You are worrying about something that hasn't happened.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 08:37 AM

The lack of content. There is very little on. Pac 12 football, gone, Pac 12 basketball mostly gone. Supersonics off to Ok City, Blazers on CSN....what is left? Big Sky football, geez, most of that is outside of the footprint anyway....Mariners in the summer and nothing in the winter

High School football is now the marquee sport in the fall/winter on ROOT NW.


It is not part time.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:01 AM

Sure your name isn't Cassandra? ;)

You are worrying about something that hasn't happened.


Cool...someone who tells people what they should and should not think about...:rolleyes:


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Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:02 AM

It is not part time.


I would love/hate to see the ratings on RootSports NW. Compared to last year this time, they are probably down 95%.

To the local viewer (that RSN), it is now a part time channel. M's for baseball. occasional Timber game, then nothing of value.

But you are correct is not a part time channel.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:03 AM

Cool...someone who tells people what they should and should not think about...:rolleyes:


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If you don't think about the future you need not worry about it.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:13 AM

If you don't think about the future you need not worry about it.


Unfortunately the last 10 days here on the Jersey coast prove otherwise...


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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:42 AM

Cool...someone who tells people what they should and should not think about...:rolleyes:

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No. Just wondering why you are worrying about something that has never happened. And by that I mean directv dumping an RSN over price.

Besides, I thought the play on your name was cute.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:43 AM

I would love/hate to see the ratings on RootSports NW. Compared to last year this time, they are probably down 95%.

To the local viewer (that RSN), it is now a part time channel. M's for baseball. occasional Timber game, then nothing of value.

But you are correct is not a part time channel.


95%?????

Because they lost three hours of programming a week for 12 weeks???
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:50 AM

95%?????

Because they lost three hours of programming a week for 12 weeks???


ok 90%.... no more pre game / post game shows. no insider shows on pac-12.. lots of soccer (i don't watch it) F1 racing. it has it's audience, but I would say of the college football fans (pac-12) there is no reason to even look at Root for programming.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:04 AM

ok 90%.... no more pre game / post game shows. no insider shows on pac-12.. lots of soccer (i don't watch it) F1 racing. it has it's audience, but I would say of the college football fans (pac-12) there is no reason to even look at Root for programming.


You mean PAC 12 only fan. There is still fbs football on root.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:19 AM

No. Just wondering why you are worrying about something that has never happened. And by that I mean directv dumping an RSN over price.


DirecTV lost Versus (now NBC sports network) for a LONG time over price. They're not carrying currently available sports channels over price. Looks like they have a new corporate mission objective.


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Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:24 AM

DirecTV lost Versus (now NBC sports network) for a LONG time over price. They're not carrying currently available sports channels over price. Looks like they have a new corporate mission objective.

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Versus is not an rsn and that got settled. Because of one channel (maybe two), you are panicking?
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:59 AM

Versus is not an rsn and that got settled. Because of one channel (maybe two), you are panicking?


It's actually like 5 channels... Comcast Philly (i know its a unique situation with that one), Comcast NW, Comcast Houston, Pac 12 and TWC SN. If you expand this to non-sports channels (Epix!), you do see a trend start to emerge that is distinct from Directv's past.

ChicagoBlue assessment of 10% increases in programming costs not being offset by the max 5% fee increases they can pass on is deadly accurate, so I'm not passing judgement. Directv is not a charity. But they are definitely cost focused now, and that does not bode well for RSNs and other sports programming that continues to get more and more expensive.

In other news, Directv posted a $565MM Q3 profit.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 12:06 PM

DirecTV lost Versus (now NBC sports network) for a LONG time over price. They're not carrying currently available sports channels over price. Looks like they have a new corporate mission objective.


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At the time DirecTV lost Versus, the only thing Versus showed that drew a large number of viewers was the Tour de France. The dispute did not start until after the Tour and it was resolved well before the following Tour.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 12:10 PM

At the time DirecTV lost Versus, the only thing Versus showed that drew a large number of viewers was the Tour de France. The dispute did not start until after the Tour and it was resolved well before the following Tour.


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Posted 06 November 2012 - 12:17 PM

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And how much NHL is being shown this year :D

The number of viewers on Versus is three times higher during the Tour than it is any other time of the year.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 12:38 PM

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ChicagoBlue assessment of 10% increases in programming costs not being offset by the max 5% fee increases they can pass on is deadly accurate, so I'm not passing judgement. Directv is not a charity. But they are definitely cost focused now, and that does not bode well for RSNs and other sports programming that continues to get more and more expensive.


I'm not sure 10% increase in programming costs is accurate for the RSNs. I think it is 100+% in some of these cases. As a Rockets fan in Houston, I badly want DirecTV to pick up CSN Houston. But they are still picking up FSN Southwest, and I haven't seen any indication the cost of FSN went down just because they lost the local pro teams. And I think CSN is asking for more than FSN charged on top of that.

Pac12 and Longhorn Network -- again, same trend. Takes programming away from ESPN and the older RSNs, doesn't cut the price of ESPN or the older RSNs, but ask us to pay "full price" for additional channels.

Laker network again looks like the same story.

As much as I want D* to pick up all these channels...as subscribers, we have to be ready for the sticker shock associated with these channels. And it seems like the channels are becoming more demanding about package placement, taking yet another lever away from D*.:nono2:

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 01:06 PM

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I'm not sure 10% increase in programming costs is accurate for the RSNs. I think it is 100+% in some of these cases. As a Rockets fan in Houston, I badly want DirecTV to pick up CSN Houston. But they are still picking up FSN Southwest, and I haven't seen any indication the cost of FSN went down just because they lost the local pro teams. And I think CSN is asking for more than FSN charged on top of that.

Pac12 and Longhorn Network -- again, same trend. Takes programming away from ESPN and the older RSNs, doesn't cut the price of ESPN or the older RSNs, but ask us to pay "full price" for additional channels.

Laker network again looks like the same story.

As much as I want D* to pick up all these channels...as subscribers, we have to be ready for the sticker shock associated with these channels. And it seems like the channels are becoming more demanding about package placement, taking yet another lever away from D*.:nono2:


Don't disagree, but want to correct one or two points. Fox Sports Southwest is the Dallas Channel that covers the Ranger, the Stars and the Mavs. Fox Sports Houston was a separate stand alone channel that covered the Rockets and the Stros. And it was killed (i..e replaced with Fox Sports New Orleans) when the Rockets and Stros signed with CSN. The status of Fox Sports SW isn't relevant here.

The deal with Fox is for all fox networks - not channel by channel.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 01:07 PM

This is slightly off topic but germane to DirecTV contract renewal negotiations. One of the reasons I've been tied to DirecTV is because of the Chinese language programming that my wife wants. Found out yesterday that TVBusa was unable to successfully renew contract with DirecTV and they are now going to be aired on Dish. If the substitute Chinese programming DirecTV came up with is not satisfactory to my wife, I may be pressured to leave DirecTV for Dish.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 01:18 PM

http://www.sportsbus...os-Angeles.aspx

A good story about the LA Sports television market.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 01:28 PM

http://www.sportsbus...os-Angeles.aspx

A good story about the LA Sports television market.


And quoting from that article

If the Los Angeles model proves successful, the tremors could be felt throughout the country as other big markets that have multiple professional and college sports teams give it a try. Some even say it could change the entire pay-TV system.

“I’m worried that it could become a trend in other markets,” said Bob Wilson, the top programming executive at Cox Communications. “Everybody’s watching the Lakers and the Dodgers to see what the market will absorb. We’ve been on this path for a long time now. We all are wondering where the breaking point is.”


It is important to all consumers that the Los Angeles model does not prove successful. For the good of all of us, I hope the TWC Lakers channel and the PAC 12 networks fall flat on their faces.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 01:40 PM

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They only had one exclusive game a week that did nothing but piss off fans of the other teams since it forced a total blackout of the NHL that night, even the local RSNs weren't able to broadcast games.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 01:45 PM

Don't disagree, but want to correct one or two points. Fox Sports Southwest is the Dallas Channel that covers the Ranger, the Stars and the Mavs. Fox Sports Houston was a separate stand alone channel that covered the Rockets and the Stros. And it was killed (i..e replaced with Fox Sports New Orleans) when the Rockets and Stros signed with CSN. The status of Fox Sports SW isn't relevant here.

The deal with Fox is for all fox networks - not channel by channel.


Nope, Fox Sports Houston was NOT a standalone channel. Fox Sports Houston aired Fox Sports SW programming except when a Houston team was playing, and then they split the feeds temporarily.

In fact, when I switched from Dish to D*, Dish was only part-timing FSN-H during events, and carrying FSN-SW the rest of the time. (Really sucked because it seemed like the Houston feed changed channel numbers every other day)

(The easiest way to tell that they were the same channel was the advertising for local Dallas businesses that ran during things like college football games on the supposed "Fox Sports Houston" channel. I really hate the Dallas Jewelery Exchange commercial.)

Document for me that D* is paying Fox less for FSN-SW now than they were paying for FSN-SW plus the part-time FSN-H, and I'll withdraw my argument. And no, D* can't stop carrying FSN-SW in Houston because of the college sports packages that FSN has.

BTW, what brought me back here was the SBJ story that sdk linked...excellent read on this topic.




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