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#1401 OFFLINE   woj027

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:02 PM

We're all paying for channels we don't watch. Just the nature of the business.


Yes but we are paying $0.25 ( made up number). Not $3.95. And once one channel gets $3.95 how much will pac-12 get? Or SEC ? Or

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#1402 OFFLINE   Mariah2014

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:03 PM

All this did is prove what I have been saying for awhile and that is they want all of the sports channels out of the base packages. When they go get the channels and things like mlb extra innings are incomplete they won't get me to subscribe and will just get the internet version instead.

Here's a key Mike White passage:

"We are continuing to have active discussions about the Lakers Network," White said. " We hope to have a deal on that content. But all of these new channels...everybody wants a new channel and they want to stick it into the bundle. That's not right."

He added: "We are taxing most of our customers who wouldn't be willing to pay for that content. And I've said before, I think the regional sports networks' structure in the industry is broken, and it is, But I'm probably not going to be able to change that overnight. But adding other stuff to the bundle that the average consumer can't pay for without allowing it to be sold to those who want it...DIRECTV (is) going to continue to stand up for what we believe to be is the right long-term decision for our business in each of these disputes, putting our customers always first."

http://www.tvpredict...dconf110712.htm

This is exactly what some of us have been speculating and now White has essentially said it. D* is looking to change the dynamic of sports programing, and it's starting to look like they won't add another sports channel or RSN until they agree to a new structure, perhaps a la carte.



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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:07 PM

Don't agree with that part at all.

Directv's customer base in LA alone is approximately 1.7 million.Throw in the rest of SoCal, OC, San Diego, Las Vegas, Hawaii, and the central parts of Cali.

That's easily close to 4 million subs in the Lakers DMA zone.

There have been a lot of reports saying that the D* customers in the not direct LA market would get charged a lower rate to carry the channel.


I will admit I have no facts to back up my assumptions. But I still think the laker fan ratio for you local (la market) cable company is greater than the nationwide footprint direcTV represents. And much larger in total viewers. So more $$$ for TWS which is their goal

Also as much as I hate the lakers (blazer fan). I hope direcTV gets the channel

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:14 PM

Even though I'm an out of market Lakers fan, I'm boycotting with my wallet by not ordering LP until the channel is added. I know I can see opposing team feeds, but it's the principle of it.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:20 PM

D* FANBOYS who have been trolling this thread will claim & say "TWC SportsNet gave AT&T, Verizon, Charter, and Cox a so called sweetheart deal"

I really believe otherwise and really think those above mentioned TV providers caved into TWC SportsNet rumored asking price.

No way in hell would they have gotten this channel for under $3.00.Simply not happening in this day & age.


AT%T, Verizon, Charter and Cox are able to carry the stations only within the Lakers territory. If DirecTV carried the channels on TWC's terms, those outside of the Lakers territory would be paying for the channel, but they would be blacked out of all of the games.

We're all paying for channels we don't watch. Just the nature of the business.


The diffrerence is that we are all paying for channels we could watch but choose not to. In the case of the Lakers channels, those outside of the Lakers territory would be paying for a channel they could not watch even if they wanted to. TWC needs to realize that there is no way DirecTV is going to pay for a channel for everyone on the lowest tier when 90% of those viewers will be blacked out for the games.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:24 PM

Here's a key Mike White passage:

"We are continuing to have active discussions about the Lakers Network," White said. " We hope to have a deal on that content. But all of these new channels...everybody wants a new channel and they want to stick it into the bundle. That's not right."

He added: "We are taxing most of our customers who wouldn't be willing to pay for that content. And I've said before, I think the regional sports networks' structure in the industry is broken, and it is, But I'm probably not going to be able to change that overnight. But adding other stuff to the bundle that the average consumer can't pay for without allowing it to be sold to those who want it...DIRECTV (is) going to continue to stand up for what we believe to be is the right long-term decision for our business in each of these disputes, putting our customers always first."

http://www.tvpredict...dconf110712.htm

This is exactly what some of us have been speculating and now White has essentially said it. D* is looking to change the dynamic of sports programing, and it's starting to look like they won't add another sports channel or RSN until they agree to a new structure, perhaps a la carte.


But White has no issue whatsoever with Root Sports collecting the same rights fees and being in the lower tiers.

Maybe on next negotiation someone will suggest that ROOT NW and the Mariners or Pittsburgh and the Pirates go to a sports tier and follow Mr. White's lead? Remember, broadcasters and distributors created this model, now they don't like it?

Also, what upsets me is WHY do I have to have all these other junk to get sports channels for that matter? Separate the two as well. I shouldn;t need to subscribe to Spongebob to just get ESPN...or MTV or Bravo, or ? How about a package of just sports channels and locals and nothing else?

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:25 PM

AT%T, Verizon, Charter and Cox are able to carry the stations only within the Lakers territory. If DirecTV carried the channels on TWC's terms, those outside of the Lakers territory would be paying for the channel, but they would be blacked out of all of the games.



The diffrerence is that we are all paying for channels we could watch but choose not to. In the case of the Lakers channels, those outside of the Lakers territory would be paying for a channel they could not watch even if they wanted to. TWC needs to realize that there is no way DirecTV is going to pay for a channel for everyone on the lowest tier when 90% of those viewers will be blacked out for the games.


Wrong.

It's already been confirmed by members on clublakers & Lakersground that fans outside of the Lakers have the option to get the channel on their TV provider.But yes just to watch the related shows & programming and not the live games.That's a NBA rule and makes sense because it wold defeat the purpose of NBA League Pass.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:27 PM

Don't agree with that part at all.

Directv's customer base in LA alone is approximately 1.7 million.Throw in the rest of SoCal, OC, San Diego, Las Vegas, Hawaii, and the central parts of Cali.

That's easily close to 4 million subs in the Lakers DMA zone.

There have been a lot of reports saying that the D* customers in the not direct LA market would get charged a lower rate to carry the channel.


Yes those numbers sound about right....but satellite's big historical pull and attraction has been MORE sports than cable.

Frankly, having satellite is inconvenient and a hassle, so the theory goes I should get something MORE by going through this hassle.

What is going to happen is IF satellite is not careful it's going to lose subs. Frankly, aside from NFL now, what does satellite have that cable does not? Directv generally costs a bit more, locks you into a contract, etc.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:31 PM

But White has no issue whatsoever with Root Sports collecting the same rights fees and being in the lower tiers.

Maybe on next negotiation someone will suggest that ROOT NW and the Mariners or Pittsburgh and the Pirates go to a sports tier and follow Mr. White's lead? Remember, broadcasters and distributors created this model, now they don't like it?

Also, what upsets me is WHY do I have to have all these other junk to get sports channels for that matter? Separate the two as well. I shouldn;t need to subscribe to Spongebob to just get ESPN...or MTV or Bravo, or ? How about a package of just sports channels and locals and nothing else?


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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:38 PM

rsn's costing 3.00 + is just the way of the future ...

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:38 PM

Even though I'm an out of market Lakers fan, I'm boycotting with my wallet by not ordering LP until the channel is added. I know I can see opposing team feeds, but it's the principle of it.


I may join you in the boycott. I watch $800+ a year on UFC PPV. I guess I'll start giving my money straight to the UFC and stream the fights to my TV. No need for the middleman (DIRECTV).

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:41 PM

Plus in a lot of cases the online content is superior to the TV content anymore.

I may join you in the boycott. I watch $800+ a year on UFC PPV. I guess I'll start giving my money straight to the UFC and stream the fights to my TV. No need for the middleman (DIRECTV).



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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:16 PM

Wrong.

It's already been confirmed by members on clublakers & Lakersground that fans outside of the Lakers have the option to get the channel on their TV provider.But yes just to watch the related shows & programming and not the live games.That's a NBA rule and makes sense because it wold defeat the purpose of NBA League Pass.


But the fact that the NBA blacks out the games makes the channel worth a lot less to those outside of Lakers territory than it does within the Lakers territory, yet TWC expects DirecTV to pay the same amount per viewer. With the Lakers games it might be worth $3.00 (although they are asking a little more than that), but without the games, it is not worth more than $0.50.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:54 PM

The question is, how many of DTV's 1.7 SoCal subscribers are hard core enough Lakers fans that they are willing to switch?

I'm guessing it's not a significant enough number (yet) to give TW that much leverage. After all, DTV has a nationwide subscriber base to absorb any short term losses.

And I'm guessing a lot of DTV Laker fans are not hard core enough to switch -- and are getting DTV for other reasons (NFL Sunday Ticket, better HD picture quality, etc).

I know I'm in that boat. I'd normally watch nearly every game, but am happy enough to watch some at friends' houses or via the Internet or just do other things with my time.

This is SoCal after all -- bazillions of distractions including the Clippers!

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:20 PM

Hey folks, in LA or Lakers market anyhow;

I think this applies only to the HR34, but those with others models may give it a try anyhow,

My HR34, which has a nach for doing this, is picking up the test feed for TWC SN on channel 9732. Watching the game live right now ...

From a poster on Lakersground.net

... The way I did it is to go to the channel for the Utah Jazz that has the game blacked out which is channel 684. Then go to an option pops up at the bottom to search for the game on a different channel then just let it search until it will let you know it has found the game on another channel then choose to switch over and it will work. The 9732 channel does not show up on the guide. It is hidden.


I already had ch. 9732 in my Quick Tune menu anyhow, so I tuned right to it.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:33 PM

Hey folks, in LA or Lakers market anyhow;

I think this applies only to the HR34, but those with others models may give it a try anyhow,

My HR34, which has a nach for doing this, is picking up the test feed for TWC SN on channel 9732. Watching the game live right now ...

From a poster on Lakersground.net

I already had ch. 9732 in my Quick Tune menu anyhow, so I tuned right to it.


I'm in Lakers territory and I can see the games right now. No blackout, weird.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:49 PM

Hey folks, in LA or Lakers market anyhow;

I think this applies only to the HR34, but those with others models may give it a try anyhow,

My HR34, which has a nach for doing this, is picking up the test feed for TWC SN on channel 9732. Watching the game live right now ...

From a poster on Lakersground.net



I already had ch. 9732 in my Quick Tune menu anyhow, so I tuned right to it.



Just tried it, didn't work on my HR24. :(

How does the HD look?

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:53 PM

It's looking horrible right now and D* looks like they are willing to miss the entire season.


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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:54 PM

Just tried it, didn't work on my HR24. :(

How does the HD look?


Very good. 1080i HD. :)

Yeah, as I said its something about the peculiar behavior of the HR34 and its ability to pick up test feeds.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:55 PM

But White has no issue whatsoever with Root Sports collecting the same rights fees and being in the lower tiers.

Maybe on next negotiation someone will suggest that ROOT NW and the Mariners or Pittsburgh and the Pirates go to a sports tier and follow Mr. White's lead? Remember, broadcasters and distributors created this model, now they don't like it?

Also, what upsets me is WHY do I have to have all these other junk to get sports channels for that matter? Separate the two as well. I shouldn;t need to subscribe to Spongebob to just get ESPN...or MTV or Bravo, or ? How about a package of just sports channels and locals and nothing else?


Root Sports isn't collecting the same rights fees, not even close. Secondly, those deals were done before Mike White stepped aboard DTV.

My guess is that you don't know Mike White or what issues he has nor doesn't.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:57 PM

:imwith:


Got any good news. :grin:

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:58 PM

Say it loud.

I can understand if no other carrier had TWSN. Clearly DIRECTV is the issue.


TWC:goodjob:Verizon FIOS

TWC:goodjob:AT&T U-Verse

TWC:goodjob:Charter Cable

TWC:goodjob:Cox Cable

TWC:goodjob:Bright House Networks



TWC:kickbutt:DIRECTV

Quite obvious DIRECTV is at fault.


Weird that you missed these

TWC:kickbutt:COMCAST (largest tv provider in the United States)

TWC:kickbutt:DISH Network (3rd largest tv provider in the United States)

So you're right, "quite obvious <fill in blank> is at fault.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:59 PM

Very good. 1080i HD. :)

Yeah, as I said its something about the peculiar behavior of the HR34 and its ability to pick up test feeds.


Nice, I'll bring a six pack and be right over. :lol:

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:01 PM

Got any good news. :grin:



Yes. The Lakers are getting clocked again, but I doubt David Stern and the boys want them to go 1-4 so I'm sure the zebras are going to bail them out.

On Saturday I said next week, that was 4 days ago and you guys are already panicking. Nothing is guaranteed in this industry. Nothing. Do I still think they will get a deal done before the week is up? Yes. Is it guaranteed? No. Nothing is in life.

The remarks I read here continue to just make me laugh. I've explained why these deals are so much different than the cable deals but apparently it goes in one ear and out the other.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:06 PM

Weird that you missed these

TWC:kickbutt:COMCAST (largest tv provider in the United States)

TWC:kickbutt:DISH Network (3rd largest tv provider in the United States)

So you're right, "quite obvious <fill in blank> is at fault.


I didn't forget them, they just contradicted my agenda. :D




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