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#2051 OFFLINE   fleckrj

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:22 PM

PAC 12 last reported offer to dtv was the same as dish. One full time Hi Definition channel one full time sd channel and then part time overflow game channels.

Really transponder space is not the issue on either of these. They have plenty of room.


I would rather see the transponder space on the 103 slot go to HD programming with national interest (H2, ID, TVLand, Cooking, and all of the other HD basics people are clammoring for), and I would rather see less compression of the SD channels that are already on 101. The Spanish Lakers channel should be on 119 with the other foreign language channels. For that matter, the main TWCSN could go on 119, since those of us on the east coast cannot watch the Lakers games on TWCSN anyway. I do not know what DirecTV ended up paying for TWCSN, but I hope they are not paying for viewers outside of the Lakers territory. I get the channel, but there is nothing on it.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 10:13 PM

The Spanish Lakers channel should be on 119 with the other foreign language channels.

The SD version is on 119.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 11:18 PM

I would rather see the transponder space on the 103 slot go to HD programming with national interest (H2, ID, TVLand, Cooking, and all of the other HD basics people are clammoring for), and I would rather see less compression of the SD channels that are already on 101. The Spanish Lakers channel should be on 119 with the other foreign language channels. For that matter, the main TWCSN could go on 119, since those of us on the east coast cannot watch the Lakers games on TWCSN anyway. I do not know what DirecTV ended up paying for TWCSN, but I hope they are not paying for viewers outside of the Lakers territory. I get the channel, but there is nothing on it.


I agree about national channels having more HD. I am a LAKERS fan and i live in LA, however, i would rather have more HD channels allocated to stations many people watch. In fact, my wish is more specific..........i have 8 Encore channels but only one in HD, as the saying goes......"come on MAN"!!!!

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 12:24 AM

I would rather see the transponder space on the 103 slot go to HD programming with national interest (H2, ID, TVLand, Cooking, and all of the other HD basics people are clammoring for), and I would rather see less compression of the SD channels that are already on 101. The Spanish Lakers channel should be on 119 with the other foreign language channels. For that matter, the main TWCSN could go on 119, since those of us on the east coast cannot watch the Lakers games on TWCSN anyway. I do not know what DirecTV ended up paying for TWCSN, but I hope they are not paying for viewers outside of the Lakers territory. I get the channel, but there is nothing on it.


Again, the TWC channel doesn't keep any of those channels from being launched. It doesn't tie up all the space they have left.

Also, you can't run any national channel in the sports pack off 119. It is in the sports pack for anyone, and more importantly, its part of the nba league pass for channels, so games on that channel are available to everyone that subscribes to that package. Also, NO channels broadcast in HD for the English channels are coming off of anything other than 103 or 99. It can not go on 119.

Also, lets face it, sd is not going to change, and any one channel isn't going to make the difference. Unless you can figure out how to free up 60 plus channels, there will be no change there, and I think we all know that won't happen. If you want quality, its HD and that's all there is to it.

And also, the normal install anymore is a 3 lnb dish, which also means NO 119 access. No core programming of any kind goes to 119 anymore. Its foreign language or sd locals in a few markets. Anyone else gets just the 3lnb dish.

Claiming this channel is eating resources and should be put on a different sat are not good arguments. The price, sure, but its not stopping other hd from launching, and it would cost millions to make everyone go back to 5lnbs, which just isn't going to happen.

#2055 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 12:25 AM

I agree about national channels having more HD. I am a LAKERS fan and i live in LA, however, i would rather have more HD channels allocated to stations many people watch. In fact, my wish is more specific..........i have 8 Encore channels but only one in HD, as the saying goes......"come on MAN"!!!!


Have you not noticed that the others aren't all in HD right now anyway? :rolleyes:

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:37 AM

Have you not noticed that the others aren't all in HD right now anyway? :rolleyes:


I just wish EVERY channel was in HD. I very rarely watch anything in SD. I have over a hundred channels on my Favorites and all are HD. Fortunately, in the case of ENCORE, they will show a movie in SD (which i don't watch), but will show it in HD the same day (EnCeHD). Maybe with all the Holiday sales this year most of those people will becom hard core HD fanatics. When i bought my first HDTV
about 2002, prices were enormously expensive. Today, you can buy a 40" HDTV for a couple a hundred bucks or less. So i think DIRECTV will eventually go all HiDef.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 05:35 AM

I just wish EVERY channel was in HD. I very rarely watch anything in SD. I have over a hundred channels on my Favorites and all are HD. Fortunately, in the case of ENCORE, they will show a movie in SD (which i don't watch), but will show it in HD the same day (EnCeHD). Maybe with all the Holiday sales this year most of those people will becom hard core HD fanatics. When i bought my first HDTV
about 2002, prices were enormously expensive. Today, you can buy a 40" HDTV for a couple a hundred bucks or less. So i think DIRECTV will eventually go all HiDef.


That may happen. Back in October Philip J. Goswitz, DirecTV's senior vice president for space and communications announced all standard-def channels would be converted to HDTV by 2016 using local-into-local Ka-Band capacity.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:17 AM

That may happen. Back in October Philip J. Goswitz, DirecTV's senior vice president for space and communications announced all standard-def channels would be converted to HDTV by 2016 using local-into-local Ka-Band capacity.


Again, Phil's statement really made no sense though, unless he meant to say " 'national' or 'CONUS' Ka-Band capacity."

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:33 AM

Again, Phil's statement really made no sense though, unless he meant to say " 'national' or 'CONUS' Ka-Band capacity."


He knows more about it than ANYONE here.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 12:15 PM

He knows more about it than ANYONE here.


That's certainly true regarding lots of technical inside information proprietary to DIRECTV and its systems which he would obviously have knowledge or access to.

But all of that notwithstanding, ironically it wouldn't be the first time someone in a company's management made a technically inaccurate statement to the press.

For how can LiL Ka-band spotbeam capacity be used to future broadcast the remaining national HD channels yet to be carried?

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 01:51 PM

I am sure all channels will be in Hi Definition at some point. I also think they have a goal to have all lil in Hi Definition from 99or 103 before they are worried about getting all the national channels in Hi Definition. It would be nice if they could get both by 2016, and then begin the slow process of killing off sd. I think d14 will get them a long way towards that goal, with all the shopping channels and such going Hi Definition in that sat, along with a lot of the lil markets. I expect d15 to get more channels in each market, if not all a hd path, where as i only expect d14 to just get every market some hd. Just my guess....

But all these things are secondary. It still appears the Lakers channel has no effect on DIRECTV launching the remaining top line Hi Definition national channels.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:52 PM

I am sure all channels will be in Hi Definition at some point. I also think they have a goal to have all lil in Hi Definition from 99or 103 before they are worried about getting all the national channels in Hi Definition. It would be nice if they could get both by 2016, and then begin the slow process of killing off sd. I think d14 will get them a long way towards that goal, with all the shopping channels and such going Hi Definition in that sat, along with a lot of the lil markets. I expect d15 to get more channels in each market, if not all a hd path, where as i only expect d14 to just get every market some hd. Just my guess....

But all these things are secondary. It still appears the Lakers channel has no effect on DIRECTV launching the remaining top line Hi Definition national channels.

they can put all the shopping stuff in SD MPEG 4.

There are lots of SD only stuff that can be moved MPEG 4 sd.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:21 PM

they can put all the shopping stuff in SD MPEG 4.

There are lots of SD only stuff that can be moved MPEG 4 sd.


They can't move any of that stuff to mpeg4, sadly. The majority of their sd customers don't have mpeg4 equipment, and since you know the shopping channels pay to be on,there is no way DIRECTV is going to decreased their reach.

They need to get all customers upgraded to hd equipment before they can shut sd off. I still believe they will do it market by market overtime. Kind of like how they slowly did away with mpeg2 Hi Definition. But I don't think that will start till they have the genie as the main number one normal install. Also, there is no reason to start that till they also have some markets able to get all their local channels via a Hi Definition or mpeg4 feed, which there are a few of now. Till then they will let natural movement take place as they always have. I think sometime after d14 is launched that this process may finally begin. I expect it to take five years myself, and move very slowly.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:54 PM

... Also, there is no reason to start that till they also have some markets able to get all their local channels via a Hi Definition or mpeg4 feed, which there are a few of now. Till then they will let natural movement take place as they always have. I think sometime after d14 is launched that this process may finally begin. I expect it to take five years myself, and move very slowly.


Yep;

Even here in the LA market where we probably have the most Ka/MPEG-4 channels of any other market, 18 (16 HD and 2 SD). There are presently 26 Ku/MPEG-2 SD channels on 101 leaving us still 10 short of an all Ka/MPEG-4 market unless future carriage of those are dropped on any of them.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 01:36 PM

That's certainly true regarding lots of technical inside information proprietary to DIRECTV and its systems which he would obviously have knowledge or access to.

But all of that notwithstanding, ironically it wouldn't be the first time someone in a company's management made a technically inaccurate statement to the press.

For how can LiL Ka-band spotbeam capacity be used to future broadcast the remaining national HD channels yet to be carried?


The only thing I can see happen is that the future satellites to be launched (D14, D15, and D16) will have enough capacity to move everything that is currently LIL from older satellites onto the newer ones, and somehow "reconvert" the older satellites to show as much national HD as possible.

I wouldn't think spotbeams can be changed from a physical perspective... they are pointed to where they are pointed...... HOWEVER, maybe the bandwidth allocated to spotbeams CAN be moved over to CONUS beams when the bandwidth is no longer allocated to a spot beam transponder.
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 01:47 PM

they can put all the shopping stuff in SD MPEG 4.

There are lots of SD only stuff that can be moved MPEG 4 sd.


This isn't going to happen for quite a while. I can only see this happen if a certain percentage of boxes is capable of MPEG 4, e.g. if a 90% threshold is reached, they can move the channels to MPEG 4, and the remaining 10% can then contact DirecTV for a new box if they need to see said channel.

They would also do it one by one, step by step. E.g. they would move 3 channels to MPEG-4 and slowly move customers that want the channels to MPEG-4 boxes, move another 3 channels, and so on, and so on.

One thing to consider is that people won't want to pay for new boxes if the current ones work just fine. Also shopping/religious channels pay for maximum coverage, so there might be some conflicts if they get a message: You are now going to be broadcast using a technology that can only be received by 70% of people instead of 100%.

As easy as we think it might be to just brush aside the shopping and religious channels, they are a pretty good source of income for DirecTV and shouldn't be underestimated in importance.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:42 PM

So tonights Lakers vs. Nuggets game is being shown locally on TWCSN and nationally on ESPN.

I've flipped back and forth between the 2 channels and by far TWCSN has the better picture quality and is just more crisp & clear on TWCSN compared to ESPN HD.

ESPN HD broadcasts all their live sporting events in 720P.TWCSN broadcast almost all of their content in 1080I.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 12:20 AM

Why Did ESPN Choose 720p versus 1080i?

ESPN chose 720p because of the "p," which stands for progressive scan technology. Progressive scan technology paints the picture on your television screen from top to bottom on a line-by-line basis&.as in lines 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, etc. Interlace technology, the "i" in 1080i, paints the picture on an every-other-line basis, first painting lines 1,3,5,7,9 and then a split second later painting lines 2,4,6,8 and 10. Your eyes then assemble the painting into one image.

Progressive scan technology produces better images for the fast moving orientation of sports television.

I didn't watch the game on twc, mostly because dave miller was on and I personally don't care for his analysis. But i'm watching the post game and they are showing highlights and for me and pq looks not even hd. For from their usual pq, maybe it's just the highlight show though

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:13 AM

So much for the team oriented demise of the RSN. Fox is going all in.

http://m.sportsbusin...ox-Sports.aspx?
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:26 PM

if only this could make them start winning. Even though 4 straight, but not very impressive wins. :(

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 09:53 PM

Question for the more knowledgable but what is going on with this channel's picture quality, during games of course. Flat out it looks terrible. Is it time warner cable problem? Is this my problem? I've resorted to watching on deportes which doesn't seem to have that problem.

I've wanted to email twc sportsnet but they don't have an email

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:48 PM

WOW

Dodgers leaning toward TV deal with Time Warner Cable

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:44 PM

Not sure why you say wow. I've been expecting that since they didn't sign with FOX before the end of the exclusive window.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:24 AM

Time Warner won the rights to the Dodgers. Their games will not be on TWCSN but on a new channel.

http://www.bloomberg...gers-games.html

Excellent.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:39 AM

Time Warner won the rights to the Dodgers. Their games will not be on TWCSN but on a new channel.

http://www.bloomberg...gers-games.html

Excellent.

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Yay. Just what we need. Another sports channel devoted entirely to one sports organization. Enough with this already. What's the problem with them airing Dodger games on TWC Sports Net with the Lakers???
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