Jump to content


Welcome to DBSTalk


Sign In 

Create Account
Welcome to DBSTalk. Our community covers all aspects of video delivery solutions including: Direct Broadcast Satellite (DBS), Cable Television, and Internet Protocol Television (IPTV). We also have forums to discuss popular television programs, home theater equipment, and internet streaming service providers. Members of our community include experts who can help you solve technical problems, industry professionals, company representatives, and novices who are here to learn.

Like most online communities you must register to view or post in our community. Sign-up is a free and simple process that requires minimal information. Be a part of our community by signing in or creating an account. The Digital Bit Stream starts here!
  • Reply to existing topics or start a discussion of your own
  • Subscribe to topics and forums and get email updates
  • Send private personal messages (PM) to other forum members
  • Customize your profile page and make new friends
 
Guest Message by DevFuse

Photo

What Irks me :) Paying for channels that have Ads!


  • Please log in to reply
38 replies to this topic

#1 OFFLINE   RVRambler

RVRambler

    Legend

  • Registered
  • 146 posts
Joined: Dec 05, 2004

Posted 02 July 2012 - 01:22 AM

Well not completely but I've always thought the whole purpose of Ads on a channel were to pay for it, so with non OTA viewing (sat, cable) we pay & then have to watch these crap Ads, ie - pay again (with our time/attention). Yuck!

Seems like 'redundant fornication' to me! :)

AMC has Ads, lots of Ads, as many as a 'free' network channel, but just like 'free' network, we get to pay! And to break our backs, the channels get 'angered' just because we can FF our DVR's (skip, Hopper jump) thru these crap Ads, well A__Holes, stop charging & maybe I will watch a few Ads!

H&LL, you should pay to be 'carried' since you get the Ad revenue, Chumps!!

But until 'no Ads', bite my hairy 'anal enclosure' all of you greedy Billionaires! Hear this AMC! Same to you Charlie! Same to you Disney/ABC/ESPN et al. !!

Billionaires, just a bunch of cry baby children, Charlie you have enough money!
*******************
Rambling 'Round n RV'

VIP-722k
1000.2, Dual DPP rooftop

*******************

...Ads Help To Support This Site...

#2 OFFLINE   mike1977

mike1977

    Legend

  • Registered
  • 221 posts
Joined: Aug 25, 2005

Posted 02 July 2012 - 01:52 AM

What aggravates me is that they pop graphical ads for programming when there may be subtitles to read or other text part of the film. But I can't read it because the stupid ad is blocking it!

#3 OFFLINE   SayWhat?

SayWhat?

    Know Nothing

  • Registered
  • 5,964 posts
Joined: Jun 06, 2009

Posted 02 July 2012 - 04:17 AM

Remember, you're not really paying for those channels as such. You're paying for the delivery of channels you wouldn't otherwise see at all.

The only channels you're really paying for are any that you might subscribe to specifically like HBO or Showtime. Now, when those start running ads, you'll have a legitimate beef.

Regarding the on-screen graphics......

** I'll be watching the news and they'll run a story where all you see is sky. The main content of whatever outdoor incident the story is about is only towards the bottom of the screen which is usually covered with graphics. In this digital age, why not resize the news content video so it's fully visible above the graphics?

** What is the point of adding multiple layers of graphics on top of each other so that you really can't seen any of them clearly even if you wanted to?
Help stamp out Twits and Twitterers!

HD, SchmacHD!! Just be glad you've got a picture at all.

#4 OFFLINE   tommiet

tommiet

    Godfather

  • Registered
  • 346 posts
Joined: Dec 28, 2005

Posted 02 July 2012 - 04:27 AM

YEAH... I hate add popping up when I watching Jerry Springer!
**** HARDWARE *****
2 Dish Hoppers (Gave up trying to get a Joey to work)
VIZIO 55” and 48" TruLED LCD 3D HDTV with VIZIO
JVC HDI RX-D402B Receiver
2 SLINGBOX PRO'S

#5 OFFLINE   Marlin Guy

Marlin Guy

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 2,127 posts
Joined: Apr 08, 2009

Posted 02 July 2012 - 06:01 AM

This should be in a general discussion sub-forum. All providers show ads. :lol:
Team Mexico Pork Cloud

#6 OFFLINE   jdskycaster

jdskycaster

    Legend

  • Registered
  • 272 posts
Joined: Sep 01, 2008

Posted 02 July 2012 - 06:34 AM

At least you won't have to watch all of those ads on AMC anymore!:)

#7 OFFLINE   Stewart Vernon

Stewart Vernon

    Excellent Adventurer

  • Moderators
  • 20,412 posts
  • LocationKittrell, NC
Joined: Jan 07, 2005

Posted 02 July 2012 - 06:38 AM

Moved to General Satellite forum since it was not Dish-specific.

-- !rotaredoM mA eM

What I do when I'm not here


#8 OFFLINE   Stewart Vernon

Stewart Vernon

    Excellent Adventurer

  • Moderators
  • 20,412 posts
  • LocationKittrell, NC
Joined: Jan 07, 2005

Posted 02 July 2012 - 06:40 AM

Remember, you're not really paying for those channels as such. You're paying for the delivery of channels you wouldn't otherwise see at all.


Agreed. This discussion pops up from time to time... and people just don't seem to understand that they are paying to get the channels, not paying the total cost of running that channel and producing content for it.

IF it weren't for ad revenue on those channels, we would be paying the $15-$20 HBO-pricing for every channel we wanted to watch.

Whether we watch or like ads or not... it is undeniable that ad revenue pays for a lot of the programming we watch on TV. Without ad revenue, a lot of our favorite shows would not exist.

-- !rotaredoM mA eM

What I do when I'm not here


#9 OFFLINE   mirak

mirak

    New Member

  • Registered
  • 30 posts
Joined: Jun 19, 2012

Posted 02 July 2012 - 12:20 PM

Television networks are going to get whatever money is necessary to turn a profit, whether that is through ads, payment from cable/satellite providers, or a combination of both.

If AMC were to drop its ads, it would have to make up the difference by charging cable/satellite providers more, but that's not going to happen. I believe Dish just dumped AMC because they couldn't agree on a new contract. So maybe AMC should have run more ads instead of asking for more money from Dish?

So why complain about it, especially now that DVRs allow us to easily skip the ads?

Speaking of which, if I were a content provider, it would really irk me that the cable/satellite companies I am contracting with are making money renting DVRs that specifically allow their customers to skip my ads. I might even file a lawsuit over it....

#10 OFFLINE   mike1977

mike1977

    Legend

  • Registered
  • 221 posts
Joined: Aug 25, 2005

Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:42 AM

Remember, you're not really paying for those channels as such. You're paying for the delivery of channels you wouldn't otherwise see at all.

The only channels you're really paying for are any that you might subscribe to specifically like HBO or Showtime. Now, when those start running ads, you'll have a legitimate beef.

?


I don't have Starz anymore after witnessing banner snipes during movies, a solid distracting channel bug that interfered with subtitles, and putting the end credits in a little box so they can run promos and I can't hear the credit music. I've witnessed the same on Showtime.

HBO and Cinemax are the only true premium channels left.

#11 OFFLINE   P Smith

P Smith

    Mr. FixAnything

  • Registered
  • 20,287 posts
  • LocationMediterranean Sea
Joined: Jul 25, 2002

Posted 03 July 2012 - 12:41 PM

not paying the total cost of running that channel and producing content for it.

Television networks are going to get whatever money is necessary to turn a profit, whether that is through ads, payment from cable/satellite providers, or a combination of both.

Without real numbers, I mean $$$ cash flow tables I can't accept the blind defense of the sat companies.

Why RIAA, MPAA and other defenders of the content doesn't rise against altering its content by the excessive overlays with graphics, logos, alteration ?

#12 OFFLINE   Nick

Nick

    Keep going - don't give up!

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 21,430 posts
  • LocationThe Beautiful Golden Isles of Georgia
Joined: Apr 23, 2002

Posted 03 July 2012 - 01:31 PM

I have many, many tv and movie channels with no ads whatsoever. It's called Netflix (streaming).

.


~ 13 Years on DBSTalk ~
Charter Gold Club Member
DBSTalk Club ~ 21k Club
Top 10 Poster

.


#13 OFFLINE   Stewart Vernon

Stewart Vernon

    Excellent Adventurer

  • Moderators
  • 20,412 posts
  • LocationKittrell, NC
Joined: Jan 07, 2005

Posted 03 July 2012 - 01:44 PM

Without real numbers, I mean $$$ cash flow tables I can't accept the blind defense of the sat companies.


I understand where you are coming from... but if you apply the concept of "not having enough info" then how can you side with the opposition either? I mean... if lack of info keeps you from deciding, then it should keep you from deciding either way, right?

Why RIAA, MPAA and other defenders of the content doesn't rise against altering its content by the excessive overlays with graphics, logos, alteration ?


How do we know they haven't? Or that it isn't already addressed in their selling the content to the network for original broadcast? I expect they enforce some conditions on how their programming can be altered BUT also have to be open to other things in order to get broadcast... then they can show their unaltered program on DVD, Blu-ray, or other methods if they sign those contracts.

I have many, many tv and movie channels with no ads whatsoever. It's called Netflix (streaming).


Yes... but you only have those options because the content has already been paid for elsewhere. With Netflix you are talking about content that other places have already paid for... so Netflix gets a better deal down the road.

Think of it like your $1 movie theater. The $1 theater gets the same movie that the $10 theater does... but months later. The $1 theater wouldn't keep getting movies, however, if the $10 theater wasn't getting new ones.

Stop the flow of movies to the $10 theater... then the $1 theater goes out of business.

Stop the flow of content to satellite, cable, etc. and Netflix either would go belly-up OR would have to start paying a lot more OR consumers would have to start paying Netflix more OR some combination thereof.

-- !rotaredoM mA eM

What I do when I'm not here


#14 OFFLINE   SayWhat?

SayWhat?

    Know Nothing

  • Registered
  • 5,964 posts
Joined: Jun 06, 2009

Posted 03 July 2012 - 01:56 PM

then they can show their unaltered program on DVD, Blu-ray,


That doesn't even always work. I know of several TV shows that are altered on the DVD from the way they aired originally. Usually it's something related to the music or opening theme song.
Help stamp out Twits and Twitterers!

HD, SchmacHD!! Just be glad you've got a picture at all.

#15 OFFLINE   Nick

Nick

    Keep going - don't give up!

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 21,430 posts
  • LocationThe Beautiful Golden Isles of Georgia
Joined: Apr 23, 2002

Posted 03 July 2012 - 02:22 PM

I have many, many tv and movie channels with no ads whatsoever. It's called Netflix (streaming).


...Yes... but you only have those options because the content has already been paid for elsewhere. With Netflix you are talking about content that other places have already paid for... so Netflix gets a better deal down the road.

Think of it like your $1 movie theater. The $1 theater gets the same movie that the $10 theater does... but months later. The $1 theater wouldn't keep getting movies, however, if the $10 theater wasn't getting new ones.

Stop the flow of movies to the $10 theater... then the $1 theater goes out of business.

Stop the flow of content to satellite, cable, etc. and Netflix either would go belly-up OR would have to start paying a lot more OR consumers would have to start paying Netflix more OR some combination thereof.

Or, or, or...

Thanks for explaining what most of us already know, Stewart, but for unlimited flicks and tv shows for only $8 a month, I'll ride the Roku/Netflix pony into the ground. I couldn't care less about who paid for what previously or what happens down the road...something else will come along. It alway does.

Edited by Nick, 03 July 2012 - 02:31 PM.

.


~ 13 Years on DBSTalk ~
Charter Gold Club Member
DBSTalk Club ~ 21k Club
Top 10 Poster

.


#16 OFFLINE   Stewart Vernon

Stewart Vernon

    Excellent Adventurer

  • Moderators
  • 20,412 posts
  • LocationKittrell, NC
Joined: Jan 07, 2005

Posted 03 July 2012 - 03:47 PM

Or, or, or...

Thanks for explaining what most of us already know, Stewart, but for unlimited flicks and tv shows for only $8 a month, I'll ride the Roku/Netflix pony into the ground. I couldn't care less about who paid for what previously or what happens down the road...something else will come along. It alway does.


Just as long as you are aware that the only reason you have cheap Netflix options is because of the other payments that go to other companies...

IF everyone takes you up on your "go to Netflix and Roku" suggestion, though, you might be surprised at the results. So maybe Netflix/Roku customers shouldn't want other people to jump ship?

-- !rotaredoM mA eM

What I do when I'm not here


#17 OFFLINE   Nick

Nick

    Keep going - don't give up!

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 21,430 posts
  • LocationThe Beautiful Golden Isles of Georgia
Joined: Apr 23, 2002

Posted 03 July 2012 - 05:30 PM

Just as long as you are aware that the only reason you have cheap Netflix options is because of the other payments that go to other companies...

I'm aware, although there is no requirement that I be aware of which I am aware!

IF everyone takes you up on your "go to Netflix and Roku" suggestion, though, you might be surprised at the results. So maybe Netflix/Roku customers shouldn't want other people to jump ship?

I made no such suggestion, but I shall try my best to keep Netflix a secret. :sure:

.


~ 13 Years on DBSTalk ~
Charter Gold Club Member
DBSTalk Club ~ 21k Club
Top 10 Poster

.


#18 OFFLINE   kenglish

kenglish

    Icon

  • Registered
  • 973 posts
  • LocationSalt Lake City, Utah, USA
Joined: Oct 02, 2004

Posted 11 August 2012 - 09:08 AM

I have many, many tv and movie channels with no ads whatsoever. It's called Netflix (streaming).


As a fellow Georgian/Southerner, I'm sure you remember "Free Cigarette Samples" (long ago). Get you hooked, then charge whatever they can.

TV is like that. One day, they'll start charging the BIG BUCKS. :rolleyes:

#19 OFFLINE   James Long

James Long

    Ready for Uplink!

  • Super Moderators
  • 41,362 posts
  • LocationMichiana
Joined: Apr 17, 2003

Posted 11 August 2012 - 11:19 AM

As a fellow Georgian/Southerner, I'm sure you remember "Free Cigarette Samples" (long ago). Get you hooked, then charge whatever they can.

TV is like that. One day, they'll start charging the BIG BUCKS. :rolleyes:

Isn't that what local, commercial filled, television stations are doing?
How many minutes per hour are actual program content and not ads?

After decades of "free TV" those stations raise the cost of viewing by not only increasing the number of commercials one must put up with each hour, but to charge our cable and satellite providers for helping distribute their signals.

But the American people are hooked ... so they will charge what they can.

#20 OFFLINE   jimisham

jimisham

    Legend

  • Registered
  • 243 posts
Joined: Jun 24, 2003

Posted 12 August 2012 - 06:47 AM

Isn't that what local, commercial filled, television stations are doing?
How many minutes per hour are actual program content and not ads?

After decades of "free TV" those stations raise the cost of viewing by not only increasing the number of commercials one must put up with each hour, but to charge our cable and satellite providers for helping distribute their signals.

But the American people are hooked ... so they will charge what they can.

Take a look at this.

http://waynesthisand...rciallength.htm

I can believe it. I worked in a couple of TV stations in the early 60's and station breaks during prime time were 40 seconds.
That was when networks were paying local stations to carry their programming. Now it's the other way around.

#21 OFFLINE   PrinceLH

PrinceLH

    Godfather

  • Registered
  • 473 posts
Joined: Feb 18, 2003

Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:36 PM

It's such crap, how the Viacom channels....TVLand has abused the commercial overdrive, making the programs longer then they need to be. They also edit programming, to cram more commercials in and delete the start and end credits, to stick even more into their programming. Then we get to pay more, thanks to the Viacom deal with Directv. I wish that Directv would have pulled their programming and added some of the oldies channels instead.

#22 ONLINE   jimmie57

jimmie57

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 4,582 posts
  • LocationTexas City, TX
Joined: Jun 26, 2010

Posted 02 September 2012 - 07:03 AM

Commercials during the movies is why I will not add EDIT : HD EXTRA PACK to my package of programming.
I am an old dude, 69, and I remeber that the commercials used to be only between shows / programs. Then every 15 minutes. Even then it was just 1, not what we are fed today.
This makes a big case for a DVR. I record at night and watch the next night while it is recording again. I can usually watch 4 hours of programming in just 3 hours by fast forwarding thru the commercials.

Edited by jimmie57, 02 September 2012 - 05:41 PM.

DirecTV customer since 1996 - Current :Slimline 3 SWM, HR24-100 Component cables to 46" Samsung LCD & Optical Cable to Yamaha AVR, H21-200 HDMI to Yamaha AVR & HDMI to 52" Mitsubishi LCD


#23 OFFLINE   Stewart Vernon

Stewart Vernon

    Excellent Adventurer

  • Moderators
  • 20,412 posts
  • LocationKittrell, NC
Joined: Jan 07, 2005

Posted 02 September 2012 - 04:31 PM

Commercials during the movies is why I will not add HD Net to my package of programming.
I am an old dude, 69, and I remeber that the commercials used to be only between shows / programs. Then every 15 minutes. Even then it was just 1, not what we are fed today.
This makes a big case for a DVR. I record at night and watch the next night while it is recording again. I can usually watch 4 hours of programming in just 3 hours by fast forwarding thru the commercials.


I'm not sure what you are talking about here... Doesn't HDNet show commercial-free movies? I know HDNet Movies does... but I haven't watched HDNet (now AXS) in a while.

-- !rotaredoM mA eM

What I do when I'm not here


#24 ONLINE   jimmie57

jimmie57

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 4,582 posts
  • LocationTexas City, TX
Joined: Jun 26, 2010

Posted 02 September 2012 - 05:41 PM

I corrected it. It is the $4.99 package of HD stuff. Has lots of commercials.

DirecTV customer since 1996 - Current :Slimline 3 SWM, HR24-100 Component cables to 46" Samsung LCD & Optical Cable to Yamaha AVR, H21-200 HDMI to Yamaha AVR & HDMI to 52" Mitsubishi LCD


#25 OFFLINE   PrinceLH

PrinceLH

    Godfather

  • Registered
  • 473 posts
Joined: Feb 18, 2003

Posted 02 September 2012 - 08:21 PM

Some do, but some only have one commercial break, for an intermission. MGM is one that is good that way. Viacom are nothing but greedy swine. The programming that they are showing, on TVLand, is syndicated stuff from decades ago and it costs them very little to show. If Encore Westerns can show their westerns, commercial free and also remaster the old shows, or movies, then what is Viacom doing, outside of ripping off the consumer?




Protected By... spam firewall...And...