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Transponder Maps: Domestic, LatinAm and SkyMex New Data 12/19/2012


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#181 OFFLINE   hidefman

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:11 PM

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#182 OFFLINE   P Smith

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:23 PM

Anyway, you got that good SS reading during watching a program on tp3 without an issue.
You should trust your instincts ;).

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:29 PM

What would you like to see and I'll try to work on it tonight? :)

I was working on a spreadsheet this AM to convert some of those hex values to decimal but the hand parsing is a bear...


I just figured it might help verify the 9 HD channels on a TPN. :D

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Here ya go (values in decimal):

Channel|Net #|TID|Signal Strength|Station
2|14|188|95|KATU (ABC)
6|14|188|96|KOIN (CBS)
8|14|188|96|KGW (NBC)
10|14|188|95|KOPB (PBS)
12|14|188|96|KPTV (FOX)
22|14|188|96|KPXG (ION)
32|14|188|95|KRCW (CW)
47|14|188|95|KUNP (Univision)
49|14|188|96|KPDX (MNT)

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#184 OFFLINE   P Smith

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:06 AM

Without VPIDs we can't say is there really 9 channels or some mirrors.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 07:24 AM

Here it is with the Video PIDs:

Channel|Net #|VPID|TID|SignalStrength|Station
2|14|1010|188|95|KATU (ABC)
6|14|1020|188|96|KOIN (CBS)
8|14|1030|188|96|KGW (NBC)
10|14|1050|188|95|KOPB (PBS)
12|14|1040|188|96|KPTV (FOX)
22|14|1070|188|96|KPXG (ION)
32|14|1060|188|95|KRCW (CW)
47|14|1090|188|95|KUNP (Univision)
49|14|1080|188|96|KPDX (MNT)

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 08:48 AM

It would be interesting to see bit rate of each channel, but ... if FW would allow to get out such info...perhaps in debug mode.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:10 AM

Here it is with the Video PIDs:

Channel|Net #|VPID|TID|SignalStrength|Station
2|14|1010|188|95|KATU (ABC)
6|14|1020|188|96|KOIN (CBS)
8|14|1030|188|96|KGW (NBC)
10|14|1050|188|95|KOPB (PBS)
12|14|1040|188|96|KPTV (FOX)
22|14|1070|188|96|KPXG (ION)
32|14|1060|188|95|KRCW (CW)
47|14|1090|188|95|KUNP (Univision)
49|14|1080|188|96|KPDX (MNT)


Why is KUMP in red?
Is it an MPEG-4 SD local?

I remember Harsh earlier mentioning that from an "OTA perspective" KUMP was SD, but that doesn't mean it can't have a separate HD fiber or microwave feed to DIRECTV.

Infomercial laden local station KJLA-57 is that way here in the LA market. SD off-air, but 720p HD on DIRECTV.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:26 AM

Here it is with the Video PIDs:

Channel|Net #|VPID|TID|SignalStrength|Station
2|14|1010|188|95|KATU (ABC)
6|14|1020|188|96|KOIN (CBS)
8|14|1030|188|96|KGW (NBC)
10|14|1050|188|95|KOPB (PBS)
12|14|1040|188|96|KPTV (FOX)
22|14|1070|188|96|KPXG (ION)
32|14|1060|188|95|KRCW (CW)
47|14|1090|188|95|KUNP (Univision)
49|14|1080|188|96|KPDX (MNT)


Here ya go (values in decimal):

Channel|Net #|TID|Signal Strength|Station
2|14|188|95|KATU (ABC)
6|14|188|96|KOIN (CBS)
8|14|188|96|KGW (NBC)
10|14|188|95|KOPB (PBS)
12|14|188|96|KPTV (FOX)
22|14|188|96|KPXG (ION)
32|14|188|95|KRCW (CW)
47|14|188|95|KUNP (Univision)
49|14|188|96|KPDX (MNT)


Without VPIDs we can't say is there really 9 channels or some mirrors.


To note:

While academic now P. Smith since Go Beavs already posted the VPIDs, I still think since they all have the same TID number, even if some were virtual mirrors from other markets, it would still amount to 9 channels on that specific transponder.

But anyway, all virtual mirrors for the Portland, Ore. market have TIDs 172 or 180. 188 only carries native locals.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:48 AM

In my context 'mirror' is a different channel on same tpn with the same video PID as other(s).

I'm not agree the "academic" point - it's practical point. What has high value.
You can't properly count channels without knowing VPIDs.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:13 PM

You can't properly count channels without knowing VPIDs.

Any evidence of the uniqueness of the actual video/audio of each channel should be sufficient. Being able to select nine distinct channels that do not share video is a fairly good proof without getting into the VPIDs.

VPIDs are good when there is confusion (such as PPV channels sharing transponders with part time RSNs and sports package feeds ... seeing the VPID shows what channels are sharing the same feed without trying to match up EPG data). But the data above showed uniqueness before the VPID was added.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:29 PM

Knowing VPID is not something out of ordinary while parsing the bits - it's clearly here; adding these values to the table is really nothing no concern and bring a discussion and really do cut any doubt of mirroring.

I don't get the point of such defending. Especially from a person who do the parsing for competitor's system tables. And who stated above its value. Sounds as self-contradiction.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:10 PM

I just don't see the point in requiring VPIDs as the ONLY proof that channels are not virtuals or mirrors. And yes, my work with the other system where I don't see VPIDs in the live 24/7 scanning informs that opinion.

As I stated ... "Any evidence of the uniqueness of the actual video/audio of each channel should be sufficient."

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:16 PM

In my context 'mirror' is a different channel on same tpn with the same video PID as other(s).

I'm not agree the "academic" point - it's practical point. What has high value.
You can't properly count channels without knowing VPIDs.


For any given Network ID (like Net 14 or 103(s) in the case of Portland, Ore.) do you know of any instances where a transponder with the same TID carries any channels sharing the same VPIDs?

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:35 PM

I don't see how my Network 602 Huntsville AL Fox 54 A3 local can be on transponder 3 because the signal strength i get there is 51... shouldn't be a good picture, yet my picture is great.


Here's the thing though...

Your picture quality should be perfect if you get a solid signal. The only thing that low a signal would do is to cause you to lose signal in the rain faster than a signal of... say, 96.

Your receivers are liers. :)
At least on SS screen, because you're watching the channels without issue and the same receiver reported the level at 79 via control cmd.


I have always wondered if that was the case with my locals back when they were on another transponder...

Here ya go (values in decimal):

Channel|Net #|TID|Signal Strength|Station
2|14|188|95|KATU (ABC)
6|14|188|96|KOIN (CBS)
8|14|188|96|KGW (NBC)
10|14|188|95|KOPB (PBS)
12|14|188|96|KPTV (FOX)
22|14|188|96|KPXG (ION)
32|14|188|95|KRCW (CW)
47|14|188|95|KUNP (Univision)
49|14|188|96|KPDX (MNT)


Thanks!

Signal strengths are about the same as well, so that supports things as well...

But anyway, all virtual mirrors for the Portland, Ore. market have TIDs 172 or 180. 188 only carries native locals.


After I posted my signals the other day, I went back and went through ALL my locals and added their information to my post. All of mine had a TID of 35 except for the "Virtual Channel."

~Alan

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:47 PM

For any given Network ID (like Net 14 or 103(s) in the case of Portland, Ore.) do you know of any instances where a transponder with the same TID carries any channels sharing the same VPIDs?

It's dynamic process; if you willing monitor all system tables on each real transponder (only that way you can get VPIDs) you will know for sure.
I'm telling about technical possible status. Based on my own previous experiences.

It's would be same answer as to hear "show me red convertible Mustang 1954 with white wall tiers" while driving on 101.

Did I ask to post something extraordinary ? The VPID value is in same hex string where you/others got ch#, TID, net , etc !

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 02:56 PM

Any evidence of the uniqueness of the actual video/audio of each channel should be sufficient. Being able to select nine distinct channels that do not share video is a fairly good proof without getting into the VPIDs.

VPIDs are good when there is confusion (such as PPV channels sharing transponders with part time RSNs and sports package feeds ... seeing the VPID shows what channels are sharing the same feed without trying to match up EPG data). But the data above showed uniqueness before the VPID was added.


I think you are all in violent agreement.

If you go back to post 105 in this thread, note that one example given was line 75 of the stroke table, where Virtual TPN 21 has TID 164 providing what appears to be 12 channels, but utilizing only 6 VPIDs. Now jump to the other Excel 'tab', the LIL TPN Map, and note lines 296 to 307. Even if there were no VPIDs, the station names and channel numbers still make the mirroring obvious.


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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:32 PM

Why is KUMP in red?
Is it an MPEG-4 SD local?

I remember Harsh earlier mentioning that from an "OTA perspective" KUMP was SD, but that doesn't mean it can't have a separate HD fiber or microwave feed to DIRECTV.

Infomercial laden local station KJLA-57 is that way here in the LA market. SD off-air, but 720p HD on DIRECTV.


Where do you see it in red?

Anyway, I checked on KUNP and there are several programs listed in the guide as being in 'HD'. I viewed some of those shows and they were in HD (1080i).

Channel 22 KXPG (ION) has no shows listed as 'HD' in the guide but is displayed in 720p and (to me) looks like HD.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 02:37 PM

No significant changes.

Both
Market 15, Bangor, ME, and
Market 71, Ft. Wayne, IN,
have duplicate *TEST channels with a new set of different TIDs. This is a new wrinkle...


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 09:32 PM

The info for the 95 west domestic needs updating, as I originally reported BAND 2136 and BAND news 2137 are gone since the end of August.

http://www.dbstalk.c...308#post3087308

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:00 PM

The info for the 95 west domestic needs updating, as I originally reported BAND 2136 and BAND news 2137 are gone since the end of August.

http://www.dbstalk.c...308#post3087308


I am certain you are correct that you can no longer receive these channels. Your post and your accuracy are not a question. However, the Directv data still shows these records as alive - that is, not as 'Inactive' channels. One of our most basic charges is to provide this data to you without manipulation on our part. What 'is', is what it 'is'; even if we don't understand it at the time. :)

If you have any insight as to what these changes are reflecting, please share that and educate us all.

Edited by gct, 15 September 2012 - 03:54 PM.






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