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#51 OFFLINE   HoTat2

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 10:56 PM

Nope, these tpns has no more then 36 MHz of real bandwidth.


But doesn't a digital transmission with a 30,000K SR usually translate into a 36M0G7W type transmission which can in turn be sent down the center of a 54 MHz wide transponder admittedly with excess BW to spare on either side?

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:05 PM

Yes, perhaps you remember DTV DVB-S2D SW-1/2 Ka tpns what does show similarity... while I'm not sure if center freq cannot be shifted.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:18 PM

Yes, perhaps you remember DTV DVB-S2D SW-1/2 Ka what does show similarity... while I'm not sure if center freq cannot be shifted.


Yes I see it a similar case with the SWs and their stated 62.5 MHz transponders (non-processor mode).

Here though its a 36 MHz wide digital signal (36M0G7W) sent through a 54 MHz wide transponder since the submitted FCC specs for G3C show no 36 MHz wide transponders for the Ku band payload.

Only 24, 27, and 54 MHz ones.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 10:31 AM

Any engineer working with the 'pipes' would answer easy to the question, while to us it's require a lot of hassles, guesses, discussion and using expensive equipment.

I'm always curios of the paranoya of classification level satellites' info; when simple data like the bandwidh or parameters of DTH (direct to home) signal keep as Top Secret. No official site provide such detail info for public and FCC docs obscured.many times.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 03:26 PM

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NEW HD CONUS CHANNELS IN *TEST
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
10|*BBCAHD|264|BBC America HD|BBC AMERICA: Television From the Other Side
10|*NGWHD|283|Nat Geo Wild HD|Nat Geo WILD, closer to animals than ever before
15|*BeINHD|9620|BeIN Sports HD|BeIN Sports HD
15|*DSJRHD|289|Disney Junior HD|Kids 2-7: Disney storytelling, learning and developmental themes
15|*IONEHD|305|ION East HD|ION features hit shows, movies, originals and special events



NEW HD-MARKET ACTIVITY
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
524|*KGET|17|A3 Bakersfield 17 KGET NBC|NBC television services from KGETDT-TV, 17, Bakersfield, CA
524|*KERO|23|A3 Bakersfield 23 KERO ABC|ABC television services from KERODT-TV, 23, Bakersfield, CA
524|*KBAK|29|A3 Bakersfield 29 KBAK CBS|CBS television services from KBAKDT-TV, 29, Bakersfield, CA
524|*KUVI|45|A3 Bakersfield 45 KUVI MNT|MNT television services from KUVIDT-TV, 45, Bakersfield, CA
524|*KBFX|58|A3 Bakersfield 58 KBFX FOX|FOX television services from KBFXDT-TV, 58, Bakersfield, CA



NEW HD-MARKET ACTIVITY
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
641|*KSBW|8|A3 Monterey 08 KSBW NBC|NBC television services from KSBWDT-TV, 08, Monterey, CA
641|*ABC|9|A3 Monterey 09 KSBWDT ABC|ABC television services from KSBWDT2-TV, 09, Monterey, CA
641|*KQET|25|A3 Monterey 25 KQET PBS|PBS television services from KQETDT-TV, 25, Monterey, CA
641|*KCBA|35|A3 Monterey 35 KCBA FOX|FOX television services from KCBADT-TV, 35, Monterey, CA
641|*KION|46|A3 Monterey 46 KION CBS|CBS television services from KIONDT-TV, 46, Monterey, CA
641|*KION|47|A3 Monterey 47 KIONDT CW|CW television services from KIONDT-TV, 47, Monterey, CA
641|*KSMS|67|A3 Monterey 67 KSMS UNI|Univision television services from KSMSDT-TV, 67, Monterey, CA



NEW HD LIL CHANNELS IN *TEST
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
692|*KNPN|26|A3 St. Joseph 26 KNPN FOX|FOX television services from KNPNDT-TV, 26, St. Joseph, MO



NEW HD LIL CHANNELS ACTIVE
None|No New HD LIL Channels In *TEST



NEW SD LIL CHANNELS IN *TEST
None|No New SD LIL Channels In *TEST



NEW SD LIL CHANNELS ACTIVE
None|No New SD LIL Channels Active



HD OR SD LIL CHANNELS REMOVED
None|No HD or SD LIL Channels Removed


Keys in the TPN Map:
  • Channels in the TPN Map whose Names begin
    with an asterisk (*) are in TEST status
  • Channels shaded in blue are MPEG4. All HD channels
    are MPEG4, but SD channels can also be in MPEG4.
  • Complete information, including satellite and TPN assignment
    are detailed in the LIL TPN MAP tab of the TPN MAP Excel.

Edited by gct, 22 August 2012 - 05:03 PM.



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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:14 AM

How soon do the test markets go live? I've been waiting for the FOX channel for two moths in my market and looks like its getting close to launching. Thanks

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 11:39 AM

How soon do the test markets go live? I've been waiting for the FOX channel for two moths in my market and looks like its getting close to launching. Thanks


There are many answers to the same question coming up on regular basis:
http://www.dbstalk.c...st markets live

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 05:26 PM

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NEW HD CONUS CHANNELS IN *TEST
None|No New HD CONUS Channels In *TEST


NEW HD CONUS CHANNELS ACTIVE
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
15|beINHD|620|BeIN Sports HD|beIN SPORT is the International Sports Network||
10|NGWHD|283|Nat Geo Wild HD|Nat Geo WILD, gets you closer to animals than ever before
15|DSJRHD|289|Disney Junior HD|Kids 2-7 Disney storytelling, learning and developmental themes
10|BBCAHD|264|BBC America HD|BBC AMERICA: Television From the Other Side


NEW HD-MARKET ACTIVITY
None|No New HD LIL MARKETS In *TEST


NEW HD LIL CHANNELS IN *TEST
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
515|*KRTN|33|A3 Albuquerque 33 KRTN IND|Independent services from KRTNDT-TV, 33, Albuquerque, NM
598|*ABC|8|A3 Hattiesburg 08 WDAM ABC|ABC services from WDAMDT2-TV, 08, Hattiesburg, MS



NEW HD LIL CHANNELS ACTIVE
None|No New HD LIL Channels In *TEST


NEW SD LIL CHANNELS IN *TEST
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
515|*KRTN|33|Albuquerque-SF KRTN 33 IND|Independent services from KRTN-TV, 33, Albuquerque, NM


NEW SD LIL CHANNELS ACTIVE
None|No New SD LIL Channels Active


HD OR SD LIL CHANNELS REMOVED
None|No HD or SD LIL Channels Removed


CHANNEL SWAP
ACTION|NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
ACTIVE|693|*KNLC|24|A3 Saint Louis 24 KNLC IND|Independent services from KNLCDT-TV, 24, Saint Louis, MO
REMOVE|693|*WRBU|46|A3 Saint Louis ST 46 WRBU MNT|MNT services from WRBUDT-TV, 46, St. Louis, MO



Keys in the TPN Map:

  • Channels in the TPN Map whose Names begin
    with an asterisk (*) are in TEST status
  • Channels shaded in blue are MPEG4. All HD channels
    are MPEG4, but SD channels can also be in MPEG4

Edited by gct, 15 August 2012 - 05:31 PM.



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Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:47 PM

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NEW HD CONUS CHANNELS IN *TEST
None|No New HD CONUS Channels In *TEST

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NEW HD CONUS CHANNELS ACTIVE
None|No New HD CONUS Channels Active

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NEW HD-MARKET ACTIVITY
None|No New HD LIL MARKETS In *TEST

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NEW HD LIL CHANNELS IN *TEST
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
658|*WACP|4|A3 Philadelphia 04 WACP IND|Independent services from WACPDT-TV, 04, Philadelphia, PA

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NEW HD LIL CHANNELS ACTIVE **NEW HD DMA: LAFAYETTE, LA**
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
615|KATC|3|A3 Lafayette, LA 03 KATC ABC|ABC services from KATCDT-TV, 03, Lafayette, LA
615|*WLBT|7|A3 Lafayette, LA 07 WLBT NBC|NBC services from WLBTDT-TV, 07, Lafayette, LA
615|WLBT|7|Lafayette, LA WLBT 7 (Virt)|For NBC tune to Ch. 33
615|KLFY|10|A3 Lafayette, LA 10 KLFY CBS|CBS services from KLFYDT-TV, 10, Lafayette, LA
615|KADN|15|A3 Lafayette, LA 15 KADN FOX|FOX services from KADNDT-TV, 15, Lafayette, LA
615|KLPB|24|A3 Lafayette, LA 24 KLPB PBS Vir|PBS services from KLPBDT-TV, 24, Lafayette, LA
615|*KLPB|24|A3 Lafayette, LA 24 KLPB PBS|PBS services from KLPBDT-TV, 24, Lafayette, LA
615|WVLA|33|A3 Lafayette, LA 33 WVLA NBC Vir|NBC services from WVLADT-TV, 33, Lafayette, LA
615|*KLWB|50|A3 Lafayette, LA 50 KLWB IND|Independent services from KLWBDT-TV, 50, Lafayette, LA

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NEW HD LIL CHANNELS ACTIVE
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
515|KTFQ|14|A3 Albuquerque 14 KTFQ TFT|Telefutura services from KTFQDT-TV, 14, Albuquerque, NM
515|KASY|50|A3 Albuquerque 50 KASY MNT|MNT services from KASYDT-TV, 50, Albuquerque, NM

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NEW SD LIL CHANNELS IN *TEST
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
658|*WACP|4|Philadelphia WACP 04 IND|Independent services from WACP-TV, 04, Philadelphia, PA

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NEW SD LIL CHANNELS ACTIVE
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
515|KRTN|33|Albuquerque-SF KRTN 33 IND|Independent services from KRTN-TV, 33, Albuquerque, NM
580|WANA|16|Ft. Myers-Naples WANA 16 AZA|AZA services from WANA-TV, 16, Ft. Myers-Naples

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HD OR SD LIL CHANNELS REMOVED
None|No HD or SD LIL Channels Removed

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CHANNEL SWAP
ACTION|NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
ACTIVE|598|ABC|8|A3 Hattiesburg 08 WDAM ABC|ABC services from WDAMDT2-TV, 08, Hattiesburg, MS
REMOVED|598|ABC|26|A3 Hattiesburg 26 ABC Virtual|ABC services from WABC-TV, New York

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Keys in the TPN Map:
  • Channels in the TPN Map whose Names begin
    with an asterisk (*) are in TEST status
  • Channels shaded in blue are MPEG4. All HD channels
    are MPEG4, but SD channels can also be in MPEG4.
  • Complete information including Satellite and TPN assignment
    is detailed in the ‘LIL’ tab of the TPN MAP Excel.

EDIT: 8/27 -additional changes added, in addition to Lafayette, LA new HD LIL DMA

Edited by gct, 06 March 2013 - 11:34 PM.



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Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:56 PM

Anomalies with today's Network 615, Lafayette, LA data:


  • Line 2: *WLBT indicates WLBT mpeg4 still in *TEST mode
  • Line 3: WLBT SD (mpeg2) indicates "tune to channel 33"
  • Line 7: *KLPB indicates KLPB mpeg4 still in *TEST mode, but line 6 shows KLPB mpeg4 Virtual already in operation
  • Line 9: *KLWB indicates KLWB mpeg4 still in *TEST mode
This all makes great sense to the Lafayette folks?


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 12:10 PM

Anomalies with today's Network 615, Lafayette, LA data:


  • Line 2: *WLBT indicates WLBT mpeg4 still in *TEST mode
  • Line 3: WLBT SD (mpeg2) indicates "tune to channel 33"
  • Line 7: *KLPB indicates KLPB mpeg4 still in *TEST mode, but line 6 shows KLPB mpeg4 Virtual already in operation
  • Line 9: *KLWB indicates KLWB mpeg4 still in *TEST mode
This all makes great sense to the Lafayette folks?


Might be best to ask in the Lafayette thread...

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 02:03 PM

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NEW HD CONUS CHANNELS IN *TEST
None|No New HD CONUS Channels In *TEST

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NEW HD CONUS CHANNELS ACTIVE
None|No New HD CONUS Channels Active

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NEW HD-MARKET ACTIVITY
None|No New HD LIL MARKETS In *TEST

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NEW HD LIL CHANNELS IN *TEST
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
656|*WIYE|47|A3 Parkersburg 47 WIYE CBS|CBS services from WIYEDT-TV, 47, Parkersburg, WV

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NEW HD LIL CHANNELS ACTIVE
NET|NAME|CHL|NOTES0|NOTES1
536|WUTF|66|A3 Boston 66 WUTF TFT|Telefutura services from WUTFDT-TV, 66, Boston, MA
659|KFPH|13|A3 Phoenix 13 KFPH TFT|Telefutura services from KFPHDT-TV, 13, Phoenix, AZ
659|KTAZ|39|A3 Phoenix 39 KTAZ TMO|Telemundo services from KTAZDT-TV, 39, Phoenix, AZ
661|KPDX|49|A3 Portland 49 KPDX MNT|MNT services from KPDXDT-TV, 49, Portland, OR
666|WRDC|28|A3 Raleigh-Durham 28 WRDC MNT|MNT services from WRDCDT-TV, 28, Raleigh, NC
666|WUVC|40|A3 Raleigh-Durham 40 WUVC UNI|Univision services from WUVCDT-TV, 40, Raleigh-Durham, NC
692|KNPN|26|A3 St. Joseph 26 KNPN FOX|FOX services from KNPNDT-TV, 26, St. Joseph, MO
702|KHRR|40|A3 Tucson 40 KHRR TMO|Telemundo services from KHRRDT-TV, 40, Tucson, AZ
702|KFTU|3|A3 Tucson 03 KFTU TFT|Telefutura services from KFTUDT-TV, 03, Tucson, AZ
702|KUVE|46|A3 Tucson 46 KUVE UNI|Univision services from KUVEDT-TV, 46, Tucson, AZ

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NEW SD LIL CHANNELS IN *TEST
None|No SD LIL Channels In Test

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NEW SD LIL CHANNELS ACTIVE
None|No SD LIL Channels Active

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HD OR SD LIL CHANNELS REMOVED
None|No HD or SD LIL Channels Removed

.
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Keys in the TPN Map:

  • Channels in the TPN Map whose Names begin
    with an asterisk (*) are in TEST status
  • Channels shaded in blue are MPEG4. All HD channels
    are MPEG4, but SD channels can also be in MPEG4.
  • Complete information including Satellite and TPN assignment
    is detailed in the ‘LIL’ tab of the TPN MAP Excel.

Edited by gct, 29 August 2012 - 02:10 PM.



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Posted 30 August 2012 - 07:31 AM

Wow, with the addition of Portland local KPDX, there are now 9 HD channels on 103(s) tpn 21. :eek2:

That's pretty impressive. PQ still seems pretty good.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:24 AM

Wow, with the addition of Portland local KPDX, there are now 9 HD channels on 103(s) tpn 21. :eek2:

That's pretty impressive. PQ still seems pretty good.


I started to say one might be KA-hi and the other KA-lo, but ???????????

Some of us are apparently full at 3 HD channels and 3 SD channels... :rolleyes:

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 11:37 AM

Wow, with the addition of Portland local KPDX, there are now 9 HD channels on 103(s) tpn 21. :eek2:

That's pretty impressive. PQ still seems pretty good.


Is that a space way tpn?

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 12:22 PM

Is that a space way tpn?


No;

Tp. 21 at 103(s) comes from D10 or 12.

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103(s) tps. 1-6 are from SW1.

103(s) tps. 15-24 come from D10 or D12.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 12:41 PM

I started to say one might be KA-hi and the other KA-lo, but ???????????

Some of us are apparently full at 3 HD channels and 3 SD channels... :rolleyes:

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Yeah, is sure doesn't appear to be a transponder capacity issue...

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 09:05 PM

Wow, with the addition of Portland local KPDX, there are now 9 HD channels on 103(s) tpn 21. :eek2: .....


Sure wish 9 HD channels per TPN were true. However - the state of the art with Directv today is a maximum of 6 HD/MPEG4 channels per physical transponder. And even six per TPN is a relatively new initiative requiring some new compression hardware. There are some other providers that get one or two more HD channels per TPN, but they do that only by bit robbing and lowering the resolution of the content you see.

If you sort the "LIL TPN Map" by SAT and then by TPN, you will see many, many channels assigned to a given TPN. In the case at hand, we have perhaps 70 channels carried by a virtual TPN 21 which are being transmitted as repeated spot beams, each carrying different content.

To say it another way: the Frequency and Polarity assigned to virtual TPN 21 is being re-used over and over to provide many different spot beams. It is the same concept as re-using the Channel 6 frequency for broadcast stations over and over in cities across the country. Clearly this approach works only with LIL spot beams and not with CONUS beams. Additionally, in the case at hand, we cannot distinguish the source as D10 or D12; in reality the load is shared across the two satellites.

The key concept is that we can have multiple physical TPNs masquerading as a 'virtual' TPN 21 and that these masquerading physical TPNs can even be on different physical satellites.


Edited by gct, 30 August 2012 - 09:16 PM.



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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:17 PM

Ok, I know that the spot beam transponder frequencies are reused in different geographic areas but how does that work for one area, like Portland? Are you saying that even though all my LiL's come from 103(s) tpn 21, it actually could be coming from more than one transponder?

So even though the tpn maps show all 9 Portland locals coming from 103(s) tpn 21, they could by transmitted by two different transponders and that's how they stuff all my locals into one tpn?

EDIT: Re-reading my original post on this issue, I should clarify that I didn't mean there were 9 "random" HD channels on 103(s) tpn 21. I meant to say that the Portland, OR DMA now has 9 HD LiL channels, all coming from 103(s) tpn 21.

Edited by Go Beavs, 30 August 2012 - 10:31 PM.
Edited to clarify

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:32 PM

Ok, I know that the spot beam transponder frequencies are reused in different geographic areas but how does that work for one area, like Portland? Are you saying that even though all my LiL's come from 103(s) tpn 21, it actually could be coming from more than one transponder?

So even though the tpn maps show all 9 Portland locals coming from 103(s) tpn 21, they could by transmitted by two different transponders and that's how they stuff all my locals into one tpn?


Umm, you're contradicting to yourself ;).

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:47 PM

Umm, you're contradicting to yourself ;).


Umm, yeah, looks that way. Just trying to understand.

To me, it really looks like all my HD locals (all 9 of them) come from one tpn but gct says probably not. :confused:

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 11:20 PM

....
To me, it really looks like all my HD locals (all 9 of them) come from one tpn but gct says probably not. :confused:


Nope - agree with you fully. Your HD locals appear to all come from virtual TPN 21, at the frequency and polarization assigned by the FCC to TPN 21. Here's the leap to concept: there are at least two, perhaps more, physical TPNs masquerading as virtual TPN 21 (in terms of freq, polarization) which are providing your channels.


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Posted 30 August 2012 - 11:23 PM

I'll give another hint: in gct's tables you should see a column "TID" - that's unique ID for all tpns on each location, include sat's clusters.

So, when you sorting your subset of local channels, add the column into sort criteria before TPN#.
Then you'll see if all the nine channels on same physical tpn. These TPN values are logical values, to help customers read setting screen and correlate it with FCC docs and common sense of max 32 tpn per one sat location. While receivers/DVRs using the TIDs to tune to physical tpn for obtain requested channel.

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 12:11 AM

Nope - agree with you fully. Your HD locals appear to all come from virtual TPN 21, at the frequency and polarization assigned by the FCC to TPN 21. Here's the leap to concept: there are at least two, perhaps more, physical TPNs masquerading as virtual TPN 21 (in terms of freq, polarization) which are providing your channels.


I'm confused as well on this gct;

According to Doctor j's spotbeam map, the spotbeam covering the Portland market using tp. 21 is A4BC at 103(s).

That's Antenna 4 beam 12 emanating from either D10 or D12. Now at the time Doctor j produced the document their were 7 HD locals active there.

KATU-2
KOIN-6
KGW-8
KOPB-10
KPTV-12
KPXG-22
KRCW-32

Now since then add;

KUNP-47
KPDX-49

And that's 9 total for tp. 21 on SB A4BC at 103(s) :confused:

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 12:24 AM

I'll give another hint: in gct's tables you should see a column "TID" - that's unique ID for all tpns on each location, include sat's clusters.

So, when you sorting your subset of local channels, add the column into sort criteria before TPN#.
Then you'll see if all the nine channels on same physical tpn. These TPN values are logical values, to help customers read setting screen and correlate it with FCC docs and common sense of max 32 tpn per one sat location. While receivers/DVRs using the TIDs to tune to physical tpn for obtain requested channel.


They (the channels on Tp. 21) all use TID "188" P. Smith, indicating it's the same physical transponder aboard either D10 or D12.

And the last I spoke to gct about this issue the TIDs could not yet distinguish between D10 or D12's spotbeams since we do not have a list for D12's TID spotbeam range.

It could totally overlap with D10's like D4S and D9S SB ranges do, or it may have a partial or completely separate one. It isn't known yet.




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