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Transponder Maps: Domestic, LatinAm and SkyMex New Data 12/19/2012


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#151 ONLINE   HoTat2

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:14 AM

Some notes on Alan's post;

Since the Signal Strength can only be two hexadecimal digits

WALB"s 59 Signal Strength should be "89"

GPB's E14E Signal Strength is probably "4E" for an SS level of 78. The "E1" part possibly the last two digits of your access card number you mistakingly parsed in.

Same for *WTLF where "E15E" should be just "5E" for an SS reading of 94.

and WLTZ-DT2 SS reading of "5F" means a 95 level.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:57 AM

Could you please delete irrelevant numbers ? At least present it as one row per channel ? Same format as gct or as in my post above.
It's hard to use ... Thank.


Per your request, I tightened it up. :)

Some notes on Alan's post;

Since the Signal Strength can only be two hexadecimal digits

WALB"s 59 Signal Strength should be "89"

GPB's E14E Signal Strength is probably "4E" for an SS level of 78. The "E1" part possibly the last two digits of your access card number you mistakingly parsed in.

Same for *WTLF where "E15E" should be just "5E" for an SS reading of 94.

and WLTZ-DT2 SS reading of "5F" means a 95 level.


WALB was my bad... when I C/P'ed the layout.

As for GPB, the CAM is digits only, and 1 is not one of the final two digits. I also carefully counted out the number of digits in the access card and RID. Those were extra. Ditto for *WTLF.

Also... one correction... the part about "Channel type tuned to ("10" means its an HD channel)" is apparently a mistake. That should just mean that it's an MPEG4 channel, right?!

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:01 PM

Well, you don't get :)
Let me show what would be more pleas-able to review:

ch	net	tid	ss	note
0027	000E	46	5F	WLTZ-DT2 (DMA #127, Network #558, Market #47)

and so on

instead of:

"0027" The major Hi/Lo tuned channel number (in this case ch. 39 neighboring local CW (WLTZ-DT2) channel)

"FF FF" minor Hi/Lo channel number (unused in this instance)

"10" Channel type tuned to ("10" means its an HD channel)

"09" The audio channel type ("09" means its AC3 in/outut)

"FF" Data type ("FF" means None)

1040 Video PID

1042 Audio PID

FFFF Data PID ("FFFF" means none)

000E Network number (means xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)

46 TID (xxxx)

13 Years after 1993
09 Month
07 Day of Month
10 Hours
24 Minutes
09 Seconds
05 Day of Week

5F



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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:19 PM

Well, you don't get :)
Let me show what would be more pleas-able to review:


How about this?

CHANNEL|NETWORK|TID|SS|STATION|NOTES1|NOTES2
016A|000F|81|59|WALB|HD A3 Albany, GA 10 WALB-DT NBC|(DMA #150, Network #513, Market #2)
000E|000E|97|4E|GPB|HD A3 Albany, GA 14 GPB*|(virtual DMA #150, Network #513, Market #2) (real DMA #50, Network 607, Market #96)
0018|000E|39|5E|*WTLF|HD A3 Tallahassee, FL 24 The CW|(DMA #106, Network #695, Market #184)
0027|000E|46|5F|CW|SD A3 Columbus, GA 39 WLTZ-DT2, The CW|(DMA #127, Network #558, Market #47)

*Remap of Jacksonville, FL's WXGA-DT's #8 (DMA #50, Network 607, Market #96).

A list of my local channels:

CHANNEL|NETWORK|TID|SS|STATION|NOTES1|NOTES2
000A|000E|35|58|WALB-DT|HD A3 Albany, GA 10 NBC|(DMA #150, Network #513, Market #2)
000B|000E|35|58|WALB-DT2 (ABC)|SD A3 Albany, GA 11 ABC|(DMA #150, Network 607, Market #96)
000E|000E|97|4D|WABW (PBS/GPB)|HD A3 Albany, GA 14 GPB*|(virtual DMA #150, Network #513, Market #2)
0011|000E|35|5B|WSWG-DT3 (CW)|SD A3 Albany, GA 17 CW|(DMA #150, Network 607, Market #96)
001F|000E|35|59|WFXL-DT|HD A3 Albany, GA 31 FOX|(DMA #150, Network 607, Market #96)
002C|000E|35|55|WSWG-DT|HD A3 Albany, GA 44 CBS|(DMA #150, Network 607, Market #96)
0037|000E|35|59|WSST-DT|SD A3 Albany, GA 55 IND|(DMA #150, Network 607, Market #96)

*Remap of Jacksonville, FL's WXGA's #8 (DMA #50, Network 607, Market #96).

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Edited by Alan Gordon, 07 September 2012 - 02:15 PM.


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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:36 PM

Pefect !

One last twitch - SS is one byte. The "E1" should be removed (sanity check rule: values out of 00...64h and second byte must be cut out). Personally I would preface such tables with a note: all numbers are hex-decimal.

And final point: before giving it out: compare it with cgt's table and post it if you see discrepancy or your info is newest.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:39 PM

Pefect !

One last twitch - SS is one byte. The "E1" should be removed (sanity check rule: values out of 00...64h and second byte must be cut out).


The only reason I left them in, is because as I stated earlier, the E1 were extra information that the other two did not have, so I wasn't sure where to stick them.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:42 PM

Please do not include it as meaningless for SS value.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:44 PM

Alan,
So, now major question: what the reason for informing us by the table ?
Or it was just exercise for new excitement of tricks with DVR ? ;)

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:52 PM

Alan,
So, now major question: what the reason for informing us by the table ?
Or it was just exercise for new excitement of tricks with DVR ? ;)


I thought it was cool... wanted to see if I could figure out how to use it, so I checked the data for channels from three markets, and one virtual channel.

It's still mostly Greek to me of course, and I'm probably going to lose sleep over why "E1" was listed in the results for those two channels and not the other two, but now I have a (very) basic understanding of how to read parts of the data anyway.

I'd like to see Go Beavs try it now.... :D

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:05 PM

...
Also... one correction... the part about "Channel type tuned to ("10" means its an HD channel)" is apparently a mistake. That should just mean that it's an MPEG4 channel, right?!

~Alan


Right ....

But it wasn't my idea ... :sure:

From the document for that data byte:

0x0B Data
0x0C Audio
0x0E Retired
0x0F Video - TV
0x10 Video - HDTV
0xFF None


Though I should have surmised as much as it reflects the shortcoming in the regular TPN Map posted by gct where the data stream can indicate whether or not a program is in MPEG-4 (the "shaded" entires) but not whether the content is HD or SD.

Therefore, perhaps the document should better read for this byte as;

0x0B Data
0x0C Audio
0x0E Retired
0x0F Video - MPEG-2, only SDTV today
0x10 Video - MPEG-4 encoded HD or SD
0xFF None



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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:30 PM

Right ....

But it wasn't my idea ... :sure:


Yeah... no, I wasn't blaming anybody for it. I just realized that WTLZ-DT2 was listed as being HD... and while it went HD OTA recently, I was under the impression that it was still in SD on DirecTV, so I put 2 and 2 together.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:35 PM

I thought it was cool... wanted to see if I could figure out how to use it, so I checked the data for channels from three markets, and one virtual channel.

It's still mostly Greek to me of course, and I'm probably going to lose sleep over why "E1" was listed in the results for those two channels and not the other two, but now I have a (very) basic understanding of how to read parts of the data anyway.

I'd like to see Go Beavs try it now.... :D

~Alan


What would you like to see and I'll try to work on it tonight? :)

I was working on a spreadsheet this AM to convert some of those hex values to decimal but the hand parsing is a bear...

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:44 PM

What would you like to see and I'll try to work on it tonight? :)

I was working on a spreadsheet this AM to convert some of those hex values to decimal but the hand parsing is a bear...


I just figured it might help verify the 9 HD channels on a TPN. :D

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:47 PM

Sure, no problem!

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:55 PM

okay.... my apologies ahead of time. I am not sure if have the correct part of the stream that you guys are asking for... remember the issue for me is whether the listing of transponders (103S transponder 1) for network #602 Huntsville AL is correct or not. so here goes... no flames please....this is the string after the second group of FFFF...and I am guessing I should have redacted even more of this...

000E451309071323XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Let me know what I did wrong.... thanks in advance....

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 02:46 PM

okay.... my apologies ahead of time. I am not sure if have the correct part of the stream that you guys are asking for... remember the issue for me is whether the listing of transponders (103S transponder 1) for network #602 Huntsville AL is correct or not. so here goes... no flames please....this is the string after the second group of FFFF...and I am guessing I should have redacted even more of this...

000E4513090713230405000000000000000000XXXXXXXXXXXX4F000XXXXXXXXX

Let me know what I did wrong.... thanks in advance....


Ok, got some stuff missing at the start;

But the first series marked in red appears to list the Network ID of "000E" for 14 which means the channel is coming from 103(s) and the Transponder ID is "45" for 69 which puts it on SW1 tp. 1.

Second series I X'ed out and colored in red is your access card number so you should delete that.

Signal Strength in boldface appears to be "4F" or 79.

May want to repost the string again (with the right omissions :) this time) though to be sure of the readings and didn't you have another channel on tp. 3 you needed to check?

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 02:58 PM

Ok, got some stuff missing at the start;

But the first series marked in red appears to list the Network ID of "000E" for 14 which means the channel is coming from 103(s) and the Transponder ID is "45" for 69 which puts it on SW1 tp. 1.

Second series I X'ed out and colored in red is your access card number so you should delete that.

Signal Strength in boldface appears to be "4F" or 79.

May want to repost the string again (with the right omissions :) this time) though to be sure of the readings and didn't you have another channel on tp. 3 you needed to check?

Please, restrain from posting full string: posts#153 and 154 will give you and him what is need to post.

Just use Notepad/Wordpad and separate each value to own line, then pick only ch/net/tid/ss only.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:19 PM

Ok, got some stuff missing at the start;

But the first series marked in red appears to list the Network ID of "000E" for 14 which means the channel is coming from 103(s) and the Transponder ID is "45" for 69 which puts it on SW1 tp. 1.

Second series I X'ed out and colored in red is your access card number so you should delete that.

Signal Strength in boldface appears to be "4F" or 79.

May want to repost the string again (with the right omissions :) this time) though to be sure of the readings and didn't you have another channel on tp. 3 you needed to check?


Yep. three of locals are on transponder 1, the other two are listed as on transponder 3, so I will post that string when I get home tonight.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:47 PM

Please, restrain from posting full string: posts#153 and 154 will give you and him what is need to post.

Just use Notepad/Wordpad and separate each value to own line, then pick only ch/net/tid/ss only.


It was just trying to make it easy on him until he got the hang of it P. Smith;

Yes I realize the hex string should be properly parsed and edited to remove the CAM, RID, time and particularly those 18 meaningless zeros for the ROM and STS versions before posting.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:49 PM

It was just trying to make it easy on him until he got the hang of it P. Smith;

Yes I realize the hex string should be properly parsed and edited to remove the CAM, RID, time and particularly those 18 meaningless zeros for the ROM and STS versions before posting.


We could teach guys to be meaningful participates here. :) Give him a fish ... you know the sentence. :)

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 08:41 PM

Okay I am hoping I am getting better at this... spared the wrath of P Smith... Here is my parsing of the hex string on locals I believe to be on the second transponder listed as 103S SW1 Transponder 3; so if I have parsed the string right I have substituted XXX for what I think are the cam (access card) and the rec id....

00 36
FF FF
10
09
FF
1020
1022
FF FF
000E
49
13
09
08
02
0C
20
06

00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00
0000XXXXXX 85 XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

So, what I am hoping to learn is what the hex string reveals as the transponder number. I don't see how my Network 602 Huntsville AL Fox 54 A3 local can be on transponder 3 because the signal strength i get there is 51... shouldn't be a good picture, yet my picture is great. That was the whole reason I started this nice little discussion we have had is to learn what is the real transponder. Without you guys I would not have gotten this far. Thanks much.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 08:50 PM

Okay I am hoping I am getting better at this... spared the wrath of P Smith... Here is my parsing of the hex string on locals I believe to be on the second transponder listed as 103S SW1 Transponder 3; so if I have parsed the string right I have substituted XXX for what I think are the cam (access card) and the rec id....

00 36
FF FF
10
09
FF
1020
1022
FF FF
000E
49
13
09
08
02
0C
20
06
?? <<<--- Where is the number ? [SS]
00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00
0000XXXXXX 85 XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

So, what I am hoping to learn is what the hex string reveals as the transponder number. I don't see how my Network 602 Huntsville AL Fox 54 A3 local can be on transponder 3 because the signal strength i get there is 51... shouldn't be a good picture, yet my picture is great. That was the whole reason I started this nice little discussion we have had is to learn what is the real transponder. Without you guys I would not have gotten this far. Thanks much.



That's what expected to analyzing - see the example http://www.dbstalk.c...5&postcount=141
ch	net	tid	ss	note
0036	000E	49	??	<your notes>

You gave TID=73 what is equal logical TPN=3. Now try to restore SS value - you did cut it out.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 09:13 PM

ch net tid ss note
0036 000E 49 4F A3 Huntsville WZDX FOX Network #602

I am counting back 12 digits from the end to get to 4F for signal strength... I am so damn confused....

Edited by hidefman, 07 September 2012 - 09:20 PM.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 09:27 PM

4Fh = 79 decimal. It's good enough signal. Why you keep telling us you have 51 on tp3 ?

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 09:44 PM

4Fh = 79 decimal. It's good enough signal. Why you keep telling us you have 51 on tp3 ?


When I look at signal strength of sat 103(s) Transponder 1-8; number three shows 51. Same reading on multiple receivers. Go figure... I do get a reading of 79 on transponder 4.
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