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DirecTV/Viacom Dispute?


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#301 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 03:59 PM

I'm on board with that. Now, what are they? No slam intended, but the program companies hold all the cards, er, programs.


I wonder if sat and cable companies actually have more or less profit% today vs say ten years ago. How about 20 years ago? And 30 years ago when cable was really just getting going?

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#302 OFFLINE   ndole

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:11 PM

There's a good article about the dispute HERE
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:14 PM

There's a reason that you're probably not the CEO/CFO (or even the night manager) anywhere.. Just a wild guess ;) :lol:

Shows what you know!
I unlike corprate America take losses all the time. We are called Small Business Owners.

Millionares don't know anything about declining profit. Why do you think they can lose business and still never take a loss.

They just drop or take what they need for themselves!
Or just get a free government bailout!

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:14 PM

Since I (fortunately) don't have Brighthouse I didn't know this but apparently we in Tampa lost a local channel today. So, we lose an independent and Brighthouse in Orlando is set to drop NBC over there. Again, if you leave to go to another provider there is no telling how long it'll be before they are at odds with someone....especially if that provider is Time Warner or Brighthouse.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:15 PM

Shows what you know!
I unlike corprate America take losses all the time. We are called Small Business Owners.

Millionares don't know anything about declining profit. Why do you think they can lose business and still never take a loss.

They just drop or take what they need for themselves!


Right, that's how the company stays in business. Dropping or taking what they need for themselves. And how about before you presume to decide they should take less profit how about you know where that profit goes, what the profit margin is, and if it bothers you that much....leave. Then they'll make less profit because they wont have your business anymore.

And I hate saying that to people, but if you are going to all side with the networks and say oh well, Directv should eat it all it really shows how much you know about business.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:16 PM

The hyperbole is getting rediculous. This isn't going to make people's bills $500 - $1000 :rolleyes:. The elasticity of prices isn't that great. All cable/satellite companies need to keep their prices competitive, or they won't have any subscribers. Also, there is only so much the market will bear. They both know this. They word things in a way to get people on their side. $1 billion, ooooh big scary number.

It's all about whether directv gets to keep more of your money or has to pass more on to viacom (and others). It's not in anyone's best interest to just cave into the other's demands. They need to negotiate a fair deal. Both parties are playing YOU. Don't buy into their BS.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:16 PM

until dish and directv band together and refuse these and future outrageous programming price increases it will only get worse

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:17 PM

Shows what you know!
I unlike corprate America take losses all the time. We are called Small Business Owners.

Millionares don't know anything about declining profit. Why do you think they can lose business and still never take a loss.

They just drop or take what they need for themselves!
Or just get a free government bailout!


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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:19 PM

The hyperbole is getting rediculous. This isn't going to make people's bills $500 - $1000 :rolleyes:. The elasticity of prices isn't that great. All cable/satellite companies need to keep their prices competitive, or they won't have any subscribers. Also, there is only so much the market will bear. They both know this. They word things in a way to get people on their side. $1 billion, ooooh big scary number.

It's all about whether directv gets to keep more of your money or has to pass more on to viacom (and others). It's not in anyone's best interest to just cave into the other's demands. They need to negotiate a fair deal. Both parties are playing YOU. Don't buy into their BS.


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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:19 PM

I wonder if sat and cable companies actually have more or less profit% today vs say ten years ago. How about 20 years ago? And 30 years ago when cable was really just getting going?


I do know that the price of programming has gone through the roof.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:19 PM

until dish and directv band together and refuse these and future outrageous programming price increases it will only get worse


That's illegal, it's called collusion.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:21 PM

I care about 2 of those "26" channels. And I can very easily live without them, especially if keeping those 2 leads to a big rate increase on the other 15...errr....24.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:21 PM

I found out some info I called Viacom and Directv and Honestly they are both at Fault. Directv pays Viacom less then any provider per subscriber, Viacom wants them to pay Fair value.

Well Directv claims a Billion dollar increase, But Viacom claims its only pennys, So How does Directv come up with its Billion dollar number? $1 increase per subscriber is only $20 million. So Directv is never going to convince me that Viacom want an addtional $5 per customer. Sorry don't buy it!

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:21 PM

They're all out to get you. Better stay inside.


What the hell are you talking about? Try making some sense.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:25 PM

Had the FCC not allowed all these mergers, network creations under the same banner, and regulated this kind of crap years ago we might not be here. They don't do things like regulate this, but the one monopolistic merger they should have allowed without a problem, Sirius and XM, they drug their feet on for so long the company almost went belly up over it.


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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:25 PM

I found out some info I called Viacom and Directv and Honestly they are both at Fault. Directv pays Viacom less then any provider per subscriber, Viacom wants them to pay Fair value.

Well Directv claims a Billion dollar increase, But Viacom claims its only pennys, So How does Directv come up with its Billion dollar number? $1 increase per subscriber is only $20 million. So Directv is never going to convince me that Viacom want an addtional $5 per customer. Sorry don't buy it!


They're probably talking about the whole value of the contract (over x years), not just the increase. $1 billion dollars is a scary big number, pennies is miniscule. Like I said, they are both playing games with the numbers.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:26 PM

Do you know the difference between owning a Business, and owning your Job?
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Yea I pay 11 employees every week. If I have to take a loss, thats what I do!. You take the good with the bad. You can't only take good.
My crew and myself work a lot harder and help more people for a low six figure per year number!

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:26 PM

One upside to this for my household would be that if D* dropped the Viacom channels we could move to a lower tier programming package ("Murder She Wrote" on TVLand is watched by my wife - but that's about it).

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:30 PM

They're probably talking about the whole value of the contract (over x years), not just the increase. $1 billion dollars is a scary big number, pennies is miniscule. Like I said, they are both playing games with the numbers.

OK say the contract is 10 years? Directv payed more then that for NFL ST in much less years. You understand my point. Directv is blurting out a Billion dollar number, OK give us a list of what you pay per subscriber for all the other networks , then we can compair.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:31 PM

Al Franken is trying to fix that.


I doubt he'd fix anything in a way I'd agree with. Seriously though I just read where some politician is upset about his constituents losing a channel. People might be interested if they didn't all stay quiet until it affects them.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:33 PM

I found out some info I called Viacom and Directv and Honestly they are both at Fault. Directv pays Viacom less then any provider per subscriber, Viacom wants them to pay Fair value.

Well Directv claims a Billion dollar increase, But Viacom claims its only pennys, So How does Directv come up with its Billion dollar number? $1 increase per subscriber is only $20 million. So Directv is never going to convince me that Viacom want an addtional $5 per customer. Sorry don't buy it!


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And Viacoms stock was just downgraded thanks to under-performing programming. Shouldn't Directv be asking LESS to carry their programming instead of getting stuck with a 30% increase?

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:33 PM

If these channels are pulled, even for a day, I am dropping Directv. We are a Nick household.


Please report back TOMORROW which carrier you will go to. :D

It certainly looks like you will be without Nick tomorrow. Well, maybe now your kids will actually have to do something like.... reading. There's a scary thought. :D (And there are of course Disney channels for the time being)

I'm not seeing any news at the moment of them being close to signing anything... from their Twitter account they mentioned just a few minutes before this post that they are still negotiating.

It has been known to happen that a deal is reached at 11 PM with just an hour to go.... so we just don't know. But if indeed 1 day is too much, I'd seriously consider calling for an installation date of a new provider TODAY so you have your slot in with an installer, you can always call back and cancel if they make a deal.
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:38 PM

OK say the contract is 10 years? Directv payed more then that for NFL ST in much less years. You understand my point. Directv is blurting out a Billion dollar number, OK give us a list of what you pay per subscriber for all the other networks , then we can compair.


Neither party wants to open their books. I agree with the sentiment, but it's never going to happen.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:38 PM

That's illegal, it's called collusion.


Yea, I know. But if Viacom gets away with this one, then other providers will pile on.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:38 PM

Please report back TOMORROW which carrier you will go to. :D

It certainly looks like you will be without Nick tomorrow. Well, maybe now your kids will actually have to do something like.... reading. There's a scary thought. :D (And there are of course Disney channels for the time being)

I'm not seeing any news at the moment of them being close to signing anything... from their Twitter account they mentioned just a few minutes before this post that they are still negotiating.

It has been known to happen that a deal is reached at 11 PM with just an hour to go.... so we just don't know. But if indeed 1 day is too much, I'd seriously consider calling for an installation date of a new provider TODAY so you have your slot in with an installer, you can always call back and cancel if they make a deal.


I've kind of stayed mute on this. But maybe it's just coming off like this to me through text but some of these people it's like they think there household will meltdown into oblivion without Nick. Kind of scary really.




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