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DirecTV/Viacom Dispute?


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#2641 OFFLINE   RunnerFL

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 07:26 PM

Atleast Viacom's trying to make a deal and post updates wheres Directv at?. In hiding.


They've been posting updates as well. The updates seem to coincide with each other. Tit for tat if you will.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 07:34 PM

A quick read on Epix at Wikipedia and I have to wonder....it kinda seems like HDNet and their sister channels.

I wonder if thats a sticking point for DirecTV, since they have such long/strong ties with HDNet.


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 07:34 PM

Per everybodys favorite whipping boy Swanni on twitter, Directv has removed the mention of Viacom on the on screen guide.


No more Viacom channels ever again.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 07:35 PM

I hope these channels come back soon. I dont have a computer and i am going blind watching shows on my phone...

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 07:39 PM

Wrong their Genius, ALL CAPS on ALL words is shouting, ALL CAPS on specific words is emphasizing.


1. It's there, not their.

2. All caps is shouting even if it's just one word. Emphasis would be to use a bold font or italics.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 07:41 PM

Per everybodys favorite whipping boy Swanni on twitter, Directv has removed the mention of Viacom on the on screen guide.


Still talks about it in the guide on channel 567.Its still there about Viacom.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 07:48 PM

Still talks about it in the guide on channel 567.Its still there about Viacom.


Maybe they are attempting to stop the trashy behavior and take the high road.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 07:49 PM

No, I'm talking about the "what's next" opinions people post in the anticipation threads, not anything official from any source.


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 07:50 PM

Per everybodys favorite whipping boy Swanni on twitter, Directv has removed the mention of Viacom on the on screen guide.


Not true. Incomplete work from swanni as usual. Probably read it in a forum somewhere. They have slowly downgrading the notices as it is not news anymore.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:00 PM

I wonder if thats a sticking point for DirecTV, since they have such long/strong ties with HDNet.


I believe that HDNet has just recently been rebranded as AXS TV. Just FYI.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:06 PM

A quick read on Epix at Wikipedia and I have to wonder....it kinda seems like HDNet and their sister channels.

I wonder if thats a sticking point for DirecTV, since they have such long/strong ties with HDNet.


I don't see Epix as HDNET at all. More like HBO a few years ago. Movies, some boxing, just starting series.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:07 PM

I understand what you are saying, we're arguing semantics. . I'm just saying it can also interpreted another way. That they aren't refusing epix just refusing it at $500mm.


That is exactly what this is from what I heard today. The channel(s) aren't worth $500 million, plain and simple.


A couple of points, for those saying this is just about Epix, that is crazy talk. These things are never about one thing. Epix is part.

I'll remind some of you, who here mentioned Epix and Viacom squabble coming up two Sundays ago before it even hit the press? ;) Yours truly. It wasn't until Monday of that week it hit the papers, but those of us in the industry have known about the Viacom deal for a long time.

Rate structure is ultimately what this was about along with Netflix \ digital consumption which is a pain point for everyone in the business on the distribution side. These programmers want to give their stuff away for nothing but want the distributors to pay for them to do it. A good article in the Wall Street Journal a few days ago about this very thing.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:07 PM

This is not really new news. They removed most of that, if not all of that around 6am eastern this morning.

Per everybodys favorite whipping boy Swanni on twitter, Directv has removed the mention of Viacom on the on screen guide.



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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:08 PM

Reuters article how people are for once starting to blame the content providers, not the distributors.

PAY TV Distributors no longer seen as the bad guys

http://in.reuters.co...E8IIEFD20120718

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:13 PM

http://blog.viacom.c...o-sway-directv/. The Viacom response was there was offers for Epix, without Epix, and incentives to carry Epix.



That is what I am hearing, though DTV isn't denying that either. DTV agreed in principle to a rate (you can assume below that 30% number) to put the 17 channels (not 26 - Viacom BS there) back on the air. Viacom wants Epix included because very few majors carry Epix and they need the distribution.

Most likely Viacom wants a flat fee, like $100 million per year for a total of $500 million. The problem with those deals for distributors is the onus of the risk is entirely on them. A per subscriber model is much more preferable because then they only pay if people give a darn about the content. In a flat fee situation, DTV writes a check whether anyone buys it or not. That's not good business, though those deals do happen from time to time. I'd bet if Viacom got that number down to $25 million per year DTV would do it, but that is just a guess.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:16 PM

The little ones are already forgetting viacom.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:17 PM

While DIRECTV is registered in the US (Delaware of all places), a goodly chunk of its revenues (and some of its employees) are homed in Central and South America. Their hardware products are subcontracted from European and Asian companies operating plants in Mexico and China. You're either in the World Economy or your no longer in business.

DIRECTV is kind of like casinos: they make much better than average money off of a startling number of people that don't know when to quit. I suspect that is what some are bitter about. Others are bitter about their arguable decline in customer service as well as things that aren't within their direct control (crappy content, increase repeats).

In the end, DIRECTV continues to raise their rates consistently at the same time that they are bemoaning the declining value of the content that they deliver.


I don't disagree that they have business interests elsewhere, but they are still an American company that employs American people that pay American taxes. It used to be a good thing for American companies to make a profit, sadly many people now are anti American companies which is really sad.

DTV has to raise their rates to keep up with the increase cost of the programming, of course they are going to bemoan that because at the end of the day few are blaming Disney, Viacom, NFL, etc, they are blaming Comcast, Time Warner, Dish, etc. They have every right to bemoan, especially when these content providers then go and sell the very same content for nothing on Netflix or somewhere else. Eventually that is going to bite them very hard where enough people leave the pay tv guys but the content online generates almost no revenue and then everyone is screwed. No content, no money, no subscribers.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:18 PM

everyone has to be right once in a while. Just the law of averages.

Also - media outlets are saying talks have broken down. Just saw it in the LA Times.
http://www.latimes.c...0,4060953.story


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:21 PM

I have question: Directv signs a contract for x amount of $ to carry lets say HBO channels x amount of years.Directv pays the money for the contract regardless of how many subs pay extra for those channels. Directv makes $ trying to get more subs to pay for HBO and pockets anything over the contract amount. Am i right or close?


DTV pays HBO based on the number of subs that sign up for HBO. The risk, therefore, is shared by HBO and DTV. So to answer your question, you aren't right or close. :D

What Viacom is likely asking for is a big check for $500 million and then tells DTV to do whatever they want with the programming, but all the risk is on DTV to find a way to get the money back. DTV would be stupid to sign up for that, then again Viacom is the same outfit saying 17 = 26 so I wouldn't put anything past them.




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