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#326 OFFLINE   HarleyD

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:39 PM

Yes. I can afford it.

You see, I work hard and don't waste all my time racking up 11,000 posts on a silly web site.


Well, seriously...just go then. No offense intended. That is your right as a consumer. You can choose what you buy and where you buy it.

But to come on the internet and anonymously post your anger ad nauseum...and criticize those with a different perspective for wasting their time on the internet...well, can you see the irony?

You claim you don't care, you can afford it and you just want the programming but the outrage you're spewing here says otherwise.

If you really just wanted the programming, cost be damned, you'd already have another provider lined up.

You've ranted. Now take a deep breath, think about it, make a reasoned decision (or an un-reasoned one) and just do whatever you're going to do. Raging on the internet isn't going to solve your problems...not a one of them.
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#327 OFFLINE   maartena

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:41 PM

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And Viacoms stock was just downgraded thanks to under-performing programming. Shouldn't Directv be asking LESS to carry their programming instead of getting stuck with a 30% increase?


I am willing to bet that some analyst at DirecTV has run the numbers on all of that and has presented his board with the findings, to be used in the negotiations. This news came at a pretty dire time for Viacom.
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#328 OFFLINE   PCampbell

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:44 PM

Switch to Dish, oh they just droped AMC. Go to Brighthouse or Comcast they will also be dropping channels like everyone else. I am all for standing up to the price increases.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:44 PM

Yea, I know. But if Viacom gets away with this one, then other providers will pile on.


I sometimes wonder what it would be like if they had let the Directv/Echostar merger go through. They let Sirius and XM do it.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:53 PM

i finally had to register to weigh in on this,

to all of you that say, just pay it and keep the channels,

this would set a terrible precedent for future negotiations, if they cave to Viacom, the next up will hold out for the full asking price.

I am a parent with a 5 year old, and he loves Nic channels,but we will go outside, play catch, read books, etc. Time for parents to be parents, not put there kids off on a tv to babysit.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:55 PM

i finally had to register to weigh in on this,

to all of that say, just pay it and keep the channels,

this would set a terrible precedent for future negotiations, if they cave to Viacom, the next up will hold out for the full asking price.

I am a parent with a 5 year old, and he loves Nic channels,but we will go outside, play catch, read books, etc. Time for parents to be parents, not put there kids off on a tv to babysit.


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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:57 PM

I sometimes wonder what it would be like if they had let the Directv/Echostar merger go through. They let Sirius and XM do it.


This might have been one of the good effects of such a merger. Viacom may be able to survive the loss of 20 million sets of eyeballs, but 35 million? That's a tough nut...especially when fewer and fewer people want to watch what you're putting out.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:01 PM

I am a parent with a 5 year old, and he loves Nic channels,but we will go outside, play catch, read books, etc. Time for parents to be parents, not put there kids off on a tv to babysit.


Like someone else already said in different words.... It is like the world is going to end in some houses, because the family doesn't know what to do with their kids if some of the kids channels are turned off, for what is probably not going to be for more then a week, if that, or if at all.

Look, it is everyone's right to switch provider, state your opinion, and raise your children the way you see fit... but the world is NOT ending because Nick* channels are off the air for a bit. Your family will really survive this. Trust me.
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:01 PM

I sometimes wonder what it would be like if they had let the Directv/Echostar merger go through. They let Sirius and XM do it.


It was 2 different issues which explains why they did it. I'll say both of those cases are one of the rare times in the last several years they've done their job. Although dragging their feet on the SXM merger almost killed the company IMO.

One effect that would have come about from the merger is NFL ST would probably be exclusive to IN Demand now.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:02 PM

I am also sick on people who say drop them as I don't watch them. Well how about we drop the programming YOU watch and see how YOU like it!

Why does buy bill have to be so high, to pay the CRAP that you watch? Same with you paying for the CRAP that I watch, LOL!

THIS is why everyone needs to pull their head out of their backsides and offer Ala carte programming. I know people that HATE sports, but they bills are much higher to support ESPN and what not.

So, please keep yoru "drop them as I don't care" crap to yourself!

And lease don't go there with the parenting stuff and what not about TV. How many of you here have NO LIFE and watch nothing BUT TV with 10 DVRs and what not? Please don't be judgmental.


The price increases for ala carte programming would be ginormous. You would pay a lot more for the channels you want, compared to what you are paying for them now.

I'm not sure it would balance out, hard to say.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:03 PM

Like someone else already said in different words.... It is like the world is going to end in some houses, because the family doesn't know what to do with their kids if some of the kids channels are turned off, for what is probably not going to be for more then a week, if that, or if at all.

Look, it is everyone's right to switch provider, state your opinion, and raise your children the way you see fit... but the world is NOT ending because Nick* channels are off the air for a bit. Your family will really survive this. Trust me.


Also, it's like 4 out of 7 or 8. It isn't like all they'll be left with are right wing and left wing news blowhards.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:07 PM

This might have been one of the good effects of such a merger. Viacom may be able to survive the loss of 20 million sets of eyeballs, but 35 million? That's a tough nut...especially when fewer and fewer people want to watch what you're putting out.


Its a bit more complicated then that.... just like with Sirius/XM, they were different services with different radios. I have a XM radio and can't get all the Sirius channels, just like Sirius radios can't get all the XM channels. Just recently they started selling radios that can receive everything.

A Dish/DirecTV merger does NOT mean that all over sudden all DirecTV subscribers would get all them basic HD channels, nor do all Dish subscribers now have the option to get NFL Sunday Ticket.

There is actually a good chance that a new "DirectDish" company would have to build a completely new receiver, that is capable of receiving signals from both Echostar and DirecTV satellites, and with the release of said receiver they would have to issue a new dish with a LNB that can talk to them all. You would still have MANY, MANY, years of legacy to overcome, and it could be 10+ years before a merged company really is able to offer ALL services to ALL customers.

Chances are high that if such a merger would occur, Dish and DirecTV products would remain a separate product for quite some time to come.
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:11 PM

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And Viacoms stock was just downgraded thanks to under-performing programming. Shouldn't Directv be asking LESS to carry their programming instead of getting stuck with a 30% increase?

Stock is the problem. I don't feel bad for stock holders. Stock is the reason the companys will do what ever it takes to make up a loss. The customer always loses and the rich get richer.

I don't know if a 30% increase is fair, and neither do you!

If the customer pays .10 well 30% sounds kindof small to me! Just because 30% sounds big doesn't mean it is!

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:13 PM

We're getting off topic here, but I still don't understand why DirecTV and Dish dont jointly own a satellite LIL broadcasting service that supplies the LIL's to both company customers, surely that would be much cheaper than both services rebroadcasting the same channels. anyway as I said, off topic.
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:18 PM

A Dish/DirecTV merger does NOT mean that all over sudden all DirecTV subscribers would get all them basic HD channels, nor do all Dish subscribers now have the option to get NFL Sunday Ticket.

Chances are high that if such a merger would occur, Dish and DirecTV products would remain a separate product for quite some time to come.


Oh absolutely, I need to be more clear. I was referring only to the financial negotiations that a combined company would hold. Even though there would be two systems (for some time), a single satellite provider (something I'm not in favor of) would turn...or off...a programmer's access to all satellite customers in the country, meaning if you wanted to be on DBS, you'd have to play ball.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:24 PM

Stock is the problem. I don't feel bad for stock holders. Stock is the reason the companys will do what ever it takes to make up a loss. The customer always loses and the rich get richer.

I don't know if a 30% increase is fair, and neither do you!

If the customer pays .10 well 30% sounds kindof small to me! Just because 30% sounds big doesn't mean it is!


BS, do you get 30% raises every other year at work? I don't and I can only imagine what my boss would say for even asking!

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:26 PM

Its a bit more complicated then that.... just like with Sirius/XM, they were different services with different radios. I have a XM radio and can't get all the Sirius channels, just like Sirius radios can't get all the XM channels. Just recently they started selling radios that can receive everything.

A Dish/DirecTV merger does NOT mean that all over sudden all DirecTV subscribers would get all them basic HD channels, nor do all Dish subscribers now have the option to get NFL Sunday Ticket.

There is actually a good chance that a new "DirectDish" company would have to build a completely new receiver, that is capable of receiving signals from both Echostar and DirecTV satellites, and with the release of said receiver they would have to issue a new dish with a LNB that can talk to them all. You would still have MANY, MANY, years of legacy to overcome, and it could be 10+ years before a merged company really is able to offer ALL services to ALL customers.

Chances are high that if such a merger would occur, Dish and DirecTV products would remain a separate product for quite some time to come.


I don't think they really push that radio anymore. They did for awhile but now you have to search for it to find it. The brass at Sirius lied to the FCC. They told them they were going to maintain the services as is for I think they gave a year number. As soon as they thought the FCC wouldn't care they started merging all the channels into one for each service. I think they actually overestimated the time when the FCC would do nothing since I think the wouldn't have done anything 30 seconds after walking out the door with approval.

I had Dish at the time they purchased Directv and the FCC was looking into it. I watched a Charlie Chat and someone asked about NFL Sunday Ticket and would it be on, what would the name of the company be, etc. Charlie said the name of the merged company would probably be Directv since it was more recognizable. About Sunday Ticket he said they'd look into it and then he started hem hawing around about the future if it, IF the NFL would even continue offering it, costs, etc. That's why I said I think it would have been exclusive to In Demand by now because he wouldn't have paid it, would cry about wanting fair rates, have his webmaster make 12 websites about it, all the while charging the same thing everyone else does for his basic programming services.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:28 PM

Since John Stewart and Stephen Colbert in hiatus this week, I will not get too excited. But, with that programming available on the Internet I will find the shows somehow.
Don't tell D* and other carriers, but with TVs now capable of direct internet connections, the carriers will eventually go the way of the dinosaur.


Perhaps you can explain how they will get the millions of dollars per month they get now. They're not going to give it up as this entire thread is about money. People have been saying that IPTV is the future and perhaps one day it could be. However delivery method will not change the business methods behind it.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:29 PM

Stock is the problem. I don't feel bad for stock holders. Stock is the reason the companys will do what ever it takes to make up a loss. The customer always loses and the rich get richer.

I don't know if a 30% increase is fair, and neither do you!

If the customer pays .10 well 30% sounds kindof small to me! Just because 30% sounds big doesn't mean it is!


Then from all of us who have mutual funds in our 401k's based largely on stocks you don't care about, we appreciate you hoping ours sink and we have nothing when retirement comes. The more you talk the more you just sound jealous of anyone with $1 more than you.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:30 PM

BS, do you get 30% raises every other year at work? I don't and I can only imagine what my boss would say for even asking!


Even Viacoms BS about that deal is 7 years old holds no water. Have you gotten a 30% increase in salary in 7 years? I sure know I haven't.

There's an easy way to solve the whole a la carte issue when people say the costs would be high. The FCC makes every network owner negotiate each and every channel separately. Then they get paid based on number of subs to that channel. If ESPN wants to negotiate a fee to charge $10 for their channel they'll get 1/18th of subs they had before and put themselves out of business. Regardless of a la carte or not, I think every channel should be mandated to be negotiated separately. It would prevent stuff like this mass pulling of channels and would remove the leverage of holding one channel over the head of providers if they don't renegotiate them all. As I said earlier, these media conglomerates never should have been allowed to own as much as they do. But it's kind of hard to undo that now.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:34 PM

Then from all of us who have mutual funds in our 401k's based largely on stocks you don't care about, we appreciate you hoping ours sink and we have nothing when retirement comes. The more you talk the more you just sound jealous of anyone with $1 more than you.

our 401 k wouldn't be invested in Directv or Viacom, so your point is ZERO!

These are luxury Stocks. Your 401 would be invested in companys that are needed, and one that don't matter if they are here or not!

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:37 PM

BS, do you get 30% raises every other year at work? I don't and I can only imagine what my boss would say for even asking!

Our Gas , Taxes and many other Item have increased 30% or more in some cases. Not uncommon, and stop using 30 % just to make it sound big 30% hold no value as a term when you and I don't even know what its 30% of! Or how many years it involves!

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:39 PM

our 401 k wouldn't be invested in Directv or Viacom, so your point is ZERO!

These are luxury Stocks. Your 401 would be invested in companys that are needed, and one that don't matter if they are here or not!


No, you have no idea what you are talking about. I've had mutual funds where media corporations were in them before so perhaps you should do your research. Plus, you stated you don't care about stockholders. Not about Viacom vs Directv but since you go there then your statement about stockholders means zip and I guess you are typing to see yourself type.

In re-reading yeah you really need to research different types of mutual funds obviously because apparently you haven't a clue.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:41 PM

No, you have no idea what you are talking about. I've had mutual funds where media corporations were in them before so perhaps you should do your research. Plus, you stated you don't care about stockholders. Not about Viacom vs Directv but since you go there then your statement about stockholders means zip and I guess you are typing to see yourself type.

In re-reading yeah you really need to research different types of mutual funds obviously because apparently you haven't a clue.

A mutual fund is not a 401 K

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:43 PM

our 401 k wouldn't be invested in Directv or Viacom, so your point is ZERO!

These are luxury Stocks. Your 401 would be invested in companys that are needed, and one that don't matter if they are here or not!


I'm thinking you should do more research into this before you just start posting things about it. I think you'd be more hard pressed to find a funds manager who don't invest in these companies.




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