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DirecTV/Viacom Dispute?


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#2981 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:22 AM

its a shame we didnt get epix...


Probably not over yet. They have the option. I gather they didn't want Epix bundled into the deal but wanted to set it aside.

Right now (pure guess), I'd expect it this year.
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#2982 OFFLINE   Beerstalker

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:25 AM

I'm not so sure we have to worry about Showtime anyway. I'm thinking maybe it's on a seperate contract since we just got all those additional Showtime channels added back in 2010.

Probably not over yet. They have the option. I gather they didn't want Epix bundled into the deal but wanted to set it aside.

Right now (pure guess), I'd expect it this year.


I'm thinking we might eventually get it too. DirecTV's stance seemed much softer on it this time around. When it first launched they pretty much said they had no interest in Epix, this time around they said that they felt $500 million was too much. I'm hoping they come to terms and are able to add it as a seperate premium like Cinemax, HBO, Showtime, Etc. maybe for a little less since there are fewer channels. Say all 4 Epix channels for $8 alone, $7 with one other premium, or $6 with two, etc. Or maybe put it in the HD Extra pack and bump up the price of it a bit (although that would probably put an end to the fluke some of us are taking advantage of).

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:27 AM

But it can. In fact while the Viacom dispute was not all about Epix, the last day or so was exactly about a premium channel. You are focusing only on the price of the single channel a la carte.

But I'll give you another reason why that could be an issue, too. Say CBS wants to increase the price by 50% yet all the other major players already have a contract in place. So, directv or whoever would have to raise the price while dish and the rest are advertising Showtime for cheap. How does that work for dirctv's benefit? Or yours?

I doubt most of this would happen but you are making flat statements that don't hold up.


you're right my statements (on premium channel pulls) dont hold water. I hope it never does

Its largely concentrated on Basic channels, AMC on E* , Versus, G4, NFL Network still not on some cable companies..SNY & MSG on E* ....yeah basic channels, they're the ones always in peril..

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:32 AM

you're right my statements (on premium channel pulls) dont hold water. I hope it never does

Its largely concentrated on Basic channels, AMC on E* , Versus, G4, NFL Network still not on some cable companies..SNY & MSG on E* ....yeah basic channels, they're the ones always in peril..


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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:32 AM

It's actually BET 2 basically (I think it used to be BET something, but I don't remember. BET IS a Viacom channel.


This channel used to called BET Jazz two years ago. It was pretty cool.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:33 AM

Probably not over yet. They have the option. I gather they didn't want Epix bundled into the deal but wanted to set it aside.

Right now (pure guess), I'd expect it this year.


While I am firmly in the camp wanting Epix, I doubt that it will happen soon. I think the Epix package is 3 HD channels and one SD channel, so D* would need to give up some transponder space that is an issue right now for some upcoming sports that may be of more interest to D* corporate given D*'s position on sports in general.

I would be in favor of just negotiating the main Epix channel and forget the rest until the next sat is launched, and that should be doable if the 2 parties can have a meeting of the minds.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:40 AM

Numbers in focus, see NYTimes Media Decoder blog for details.

DTV was paying $500mm/year under old deal. Now paying $600mm. That's a $100mm increase per year (20%). That's a $5 per subscriber (20mm subscribers) per year increase. Or about $0.40/month -- so "pennies a day" increase quote from Viacom is valid.

Supposedly Viacom wants $500mm/year for Epix.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:40 AM

While I am firmly in the camp wanting Epix, I doubt that it will happen soon. I think the Epix package is 3 HD channels and one SD channel, so D* would need to give up some transponder space that is an issue right now for some upcoming sports that may be of more interest to D* corporate given D*'s position on sports in general.

I would be in favor of just negotiating the main Epix channel and forget the rest until the next sat is launched, and that should be doable if the 2 parties can have a meeting of the minds.


and we all know D*'s stance on HD......................................Soon !!

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:45 AM

If they add Epix as a premium it should include all of the channels AND online authentication a la HBOGO. One channel at a premium price won't cut it.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:49 AM

If they add Epix as a premium it should include all of the channels AND online authentication a la HBOGO. One channel at a premium price won't cut it.


I wouldn't expect a single channel to be a one-channel premium, more like into the HD Extra Pack, which is where I think it belongs.

As to the rest, well some practicality has to be taken into account. The fact is that D* has somewhat restricted transponder space and your all or none approach would most likely mean none.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:56 AM

its a shame we didnt get epix...


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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:03 AM

Any chance the nightly shows we missed on comedy central will be on VOD? I don't see them listed as of yet...

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:14 AM

"doesn't require Epix" is a very interesting way of phrasing it. Doesn't require it... doesn't mean they wont do it.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:25 AM

Numbers in focus, see NYTimes Media Decoder blog for details.

DTV was paying $500mm/year under old deal. Now paying $600mm. That's a $100mm increase per year (20%). That's a $5 per subscriber (20mm subscribers) per year increase. Or about $0.40/month -- so "pennies a day" increase quote from Viacom is valid.

Supposedly Viacom wants $500mm/year for Epix.


True, but it is fewer pennies a day than Viacom asked for originally. I think being without the channels for 10 days was worth it to save one-third of Viacom's original asking price.

Had Epix been added at the price Viacom wanted, that would have ben a 120% increase in price ($1100mm instead of $500mm) for a 23% increase in the number of channels (21 instead of 17).

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:30 AM

Check your DVRs. It looks like it will attempt to re-record the missed shows if they are repeated. I noticed that they are in the to-do list of my DVR.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:35 AM

While I am firmly in the camp wanting Epix, I doubt that it will happen soon. I think the Epix package is 3 HD channels and one SD channel, so D* would need to give up some transponder space that is an issue right now for some upcoming sports that may be of more interest to D* corporate given D*'s position on sports in general.

I would be in favor of just negotiating the main Epix channel and forget the rest until the next sat is launched, and that should be doable if the 2 parties can have a meeting of the minds.


I don't think there is any fixed package for Epix. Fios has 2 hd. Some systems have only 1.

Depends on what the option says. They could start with 1.

What Epix really brings is a ton of streaming stuff and on demand. Wonder if the digital streaming rights included Epix of they out it on.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:36 PM

The water was cold when directv counted!


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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:37 PM

For those still wondering, tr3s is MTV 3 for the hispanic audience (MTV tres -> tr3s).

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:46 PM

Im glad this finally got resolved.If they do add Epix I agree with others I think it should go into the HD Extra Pack and if subscribers want it they can get that package and get the channel.That would seem if its one single channel where it should go.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:50 PM

Is epix commercial free movie channels like starz and hbo?
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