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DirecTV/Viacom Dispute?


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#126 OFFLINE   FlyinV

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:41 AM

I am getting tired of this story.
Perhaps I will switch back to comcast cable.

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#127 OFFLINE   maartena

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:43 AM

DirecTV should package all of these channels in a separate group, not include them in any of the standard programming packages, and charge appropriately for that group (like the HD Extra pack). Then people that really want them can pay accordingly and the rest of us can avoid the added cost.

Do this for all of the content providers that offer multiple channels. You buy a basic programming package then add the channel groups you want. A somewhat minor variation of the ala-cart concept.


You know.... we're slowly starting to get to a point where there are about 8 or so major players. We have AMC, Discovery, Viacom, Tribune, NBC/Comcast, ABC/Disney, and probably some more I forget. Then there are a bunch of smaller ones.

I don't see it as impossible that due to mergers and changes in the media industry, we'll end up with 10 media companies, each controlling 20-30 channels of different varieties.

A channel group a-la-carte where you can decide which media companies you want to pay for might be a nice idea. However, it is not going to keep contract negotiations and disputes away. To offer a "Viacom Package" they would still need to negotiate over the price, and if the price is higher, the customer will just see a higher price for that package.

But it does allow one to decide whether it is worth it.

I don't believe neither DirecTV (or any carrier) nor Viacom (or any media company) would actually go for this concept.

Example: I would probably NOT pick a Viacom Package. But having the channels now, I do find myself on Spike or TVLand from time to time, which means.... I watch their commercials, which means in turn I am part of the numbers they present to their advertisers as a "potential viewer". With hard subscription numbers that DirecTV will provide, it will be a lot harder to sell advertising. Furthermore, DirecTV rather would have you pay for a large package of channels, even if you don't watch half of them, as they would make more money that way.

So although a nice idea, it will probably never happen.
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:44 AM

I am getting tired of this story.
Perhaps I will switch back to comcast cable.


And you think Comcast never has disputes like this?
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:44 AM

Let them go, and lower my bill. Let Viacom renegotiate their advertisements with a few less subscribers. :)

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:48 AM

Solid Signal has an article about the dispute, blaming Viacom's poor ad rates for their need to raise the rates.

http://blog.solidsig...or-the-squabble

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:51 AM

Solid Signal has an article about the dispute, blaming Viacom's poor ad rates for their need to raise the rates.

http://blog.solidsig...or-the-squabble


Sounds like Viacom is in the weaker position here. D* should drop the channels for a week and then renegotiate for a cheaper rate than they are getting now.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:51 AM

I say let the channels go dark. I do not watch any of them so I would not miss anything at all. :contract::nono:

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:56 AM

I won't lie... I'm kind of bummed by this!

When there was a potential FOX blackout last year, I really didn't care as I would have essentially missed the last couple of episodes of "American Horror Story"... and potentially "Justified" had it gone on much longer, but with the things going on in my life at the time, I really didn't care about AHS, and I never got around to seeing "Justified" season two on Blu-ray, so I ended up skipping season three with the intention of catching up one of these days.

With Viacom though, I find I watch more of their programming (shows in blue are showing new episodes now!):

TV Land: "Hot In Cleveland," "The Soul Man", "Happily Divorced", "Retired At 35," "The Exes".
MTV: "Awkward." and "Teen Wolf".
Comedy Central: "Futurama"
NickToons: "Iron Man: Armored Adventures"

I'll occasionally tune in to Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert on Comedy Central and the occasional concert, etc., on Palladia or CMT, but it's rare.

That being said, I can always catch up on the TV Land shows at a later time, and ditto for "Futurama" which is often rerun on CC. I'll be bummed about "Awkward." and "Teen Wolf," but I'm hoping DirecTV stands firm for as long as they need to in order to get a good deal, so oh well... :(

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:59 AM

You obviously don't have kids. :lol:


Nope. But I have nephews, nieces, etc.... and I believe parenting has gone by the wayside. We rather put our kids in front of mind-numbing entertainment then letting them discover the world for themselves.

I had a TV with 5 channels when I grew up. I got to watch it maybe half an hour or so at night, and on Saturday morning.

And guess what, I turned out just fine. My parents played with me, taught me things, raised me to respect everyone, and let me explore the world on my own as much as they could.

This is totally off topic, but when I see a family in a restaurant where the kids are playing games on the iPad or some other electronic device, and both parents aren't even talking to each other but staring at their phones.... "pathetic" is the word that comes to mind.

We are so involved in our own minds we are forgetting to raise our children. And this is not directed at anyone in particular, as I do not know any of you personally, but I more and more get annoyed at parents using technology to "escape" from their children more and more and more. It has been proven that television at young ages actually does more harm then good. Children need other humans to interact with, not humans or cartoon characters locked up in a box.

TV is fine for an hour a day or so, but they'll get addicted to it if that is all you give them after school or after work. Parents should turn off their kids TV's after 1 hour and force them to read, build, construct, create, think, move.

I'm sure that many of you will accuse me of not knowing how it is to raise kids, and I don't know what I am talking about....but that is how I feel about current society and the way we deal with kids. Something just doesn't feel right, and kids just don't seem to be raised right any more. But maybe I am just getting old.

Anyways, too far off topic - back to Viacom's channels.
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:00 AM

I think since the content on those channels has declined in the last 5 years, maybe the rate should also decline....

I think the only channel I watch is spike, and that is for the powerblock anyway... they have a website and I can watch for free so I won't miss them... goahead, DirecTV, Drop Viacom and either replace those channels with something else or lower my bill...

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:00 AM

Sounds like Viacom is in the weaker position here. D* should drop the channels for a week and then renegotiate for a cheaper rate than they are getting now.


Aye. Let them go dark, and let Viacom panic for a bit. :)
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:02 AM

We have had discussions about how DirecTV gets signal from channels. Many saying that they only pull down what is on the birds, everyone getting them all at the same time from the same place. And yet, today, Viacom is running a banner for DirecTV that is not showing up on Fios. So, the source can dictate what they see somehow.
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:03 AM

Only one I've ever watched is TVLand, but Viacom can keep it & the others.
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:04 AM

I'm listening to CEO Mike White, on any one of the Viacom channels (with a "-1"), and he says "Viacom wants you to pay over 30 percent more." That "[Viacom] demands [subscribers] pay substantially more" for the same channels we get. Well, DirecTV could drop all of them. Let time pass, and see if Viacom is okay having lost distribution of all its programming through DirecTV.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:07 AM

I am getting tired of this story.
Perhaps I will switch back to comcast cable.


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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:07 AM

I believe they are both being untruthful. Someone mentioned blindsiding Dtv. When they must have know they're contract would be up with them tonight. And they also must know that the tickers on the specific Viacom stations is a typical tactic.

I am upset with this, only if the channels are taken off and my bill remains the same.

I only really like TVland and the others I very rarely watch.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:08 AM

Nope. But I have nephews, nieces, etc.... and I believe parenting has gone by the wayside. We rather put our kids in front of mind-numbing entertainment then letting them discover the world for themselves.

I had a TV with 5 channels when I grew up. I got to watch it maybe half an hour or so at night, and on Saturday morning.

And guess what, I turned out just fine. My parents played with me, taught me things, raised me to respect everyone, and let me explore the world on my own as much as they could.

This is totally off topic, but when I see a family in a restaurant where the kids are playing games on the iPad or some other electronic device, and both parents aren't even talking to each other but staring at their phones.... "pathetic" is the word that comes to mind.

We are so involved in our own minds we are forgetting to raise our children. And this is not directed at anyone in particular, as I do not know any of you personally, but I more and more get annoyed at parents using technology to "escape" from their children more and more and more. It has been proven that television at young ages actually does more harm then good. Children need other humans to interact with, not humans or cartoon characters locked up in a box.

TV is fine for an hour a day or so, but they'll get addicted to it if that is all you give them after school or after work. Parents should turn off their kids TV's after 1 hour and force them to read, build, construct, create, think, move.

I'm sure that many of you will accuse me of not knowing how it is to raise kids, and I don't know what I am talking about....but that is how I feel about current society and the way we deal with kids. Something just doesn't feel right, and kids just don't seem to be raised right any more. But maybe I am just getting old.

Anyways, too far off topic - back to Viacom's channels.


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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:09 AM

I live in Southern California. I watch Angels and Ducks games in full 1080i HD on channels 692/693, and occasionally on KDOC56. And those are all I really care about as far major teams go. I watch LA Galaxy games on occasion as well, and every so often I turn in to the Dodgers or NHL Kings. I also like to watch the Tour de France early in the morning nowadays on 603 NBC Sports Network. I usually catch about 20-30 minutes after the news headlines on CNN before I head out to work. Additionally, I try to catch some international soccer - like UEFA - when I am near a TV at the right time, as the games are usually live in the mornings.

And again: Money is by far the only factor. I wake up in the morning, grab the remote, turn on CNN, make coffee.... The ease of doing that is worth money to me.

What also makes it worth it is - again and I repeat myself - is that sometimes.... its just great to flip channels to see what is on. I catch a lot of OLD shows that way that I had forgotten about (and might not be found online either way).

I know that for cut-the-corders, MONEY is everything, and every other aspect of a pay TV subscription is less important. For me, it is not. The ease of use, the quality of the HD picture, and the hassle that comes with guaranteeing more-or-less the same TV coverage by using 5+ different services that don't always work together very well.... is important for me. I don't want to have to get Roku's for all my TV's, not do I want to overload my internet connection with HD streams to 2 TV's. Having to pick and choose from Netflix, Amazon, iTunes, MLB/NHL/MLS, Hulu, and other services to get the shows I want, is just not worth it to me.

That said, I am not going to miss Viacom channels. The TVLand comedies is about all I would miss really, I only watch Spike every so often for some unintelligent, dumbed down entertainment such as cops chasing bad guys, big dudes repo-ing cars, stuff like that. And it is probably better for my intelligence that I stop watching those. :D :D (besides, the tow-type and cops-type reality shows can be found on TruTV and others as well)

So, I support DirecTV going black until they get to a reasonable price. I know the channels won't be gone forever, and I won't be crying if they are gone for a month or so.


Oh I pretty much agree with you. Very few channels would I care if they disappear. And even some of those, if the end result was the networks being brought back in pricing line (which would put every other one on notice too) then I'd be fine with that too. Spike for reruns occasionally of CSI NY is all I ever watch. I have MTV, VH1, BET, and Comedy Central I have blocked so if they disappeared forever I wouldn't care. However, I am not a fan of cable/sat providers complaining about holding down costs, dropping channels, and then raising the price of their service anyway. If, and I know it won't happen, but if in an alternate universe these channels left and were gone for months. The bill should in turn drop. Not only did you not agree to their increase, you are now not paying them at all.

FYI, on the parental front. My sons attitude changes when I let him watch cartoons now. I've seen it for years every time I've tried. So all the kids channels are blocked also and only rarely do I let him watch any of it.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:09 AM

We have had discussions about how DirecTV gets signal from channels. Many saying that they only pull down what is on the birds, everyone getting them all at the same time from the same place. And yet, today, Viacom is running a banner for DirecTV that is not showing up on Fios. So, the source can dictate what they see somehow.


Yeah that is interesting.

I know most cable outlets (and Dish and DirecTV nationally) just have a bunch of large dishes sitting in their local market, and pick up either the east coast or the west coast feed (or both) for a certain channel from a commercial satellite, and they then distribute the channel. The Time Warner Cable plant in my city (which feeds about half of Orange County) has about 8 or so HUGE dishes sitting on their roof and parking area, presumably to receive feeds from all sorts of different satellites.

However, nowadays there are other ways of getting a signal from A to B, and Verizon is one of those providers that have a nationwide network, that virtually connects every well-sized town with each other, so it is much easier for them to use e.g. a fiber feed from the Viacom building to the closest Verizon plant.

Additionally, there might simply be a system in place that allows them to say.... display this banner only to those with decryption key xyz, where DirecTV has decryption key xyz.
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:11 AM

I believe they are both being untruthful. Someone mentioned blindsiding Dtv. When they must have know they're contract would be up with them tonight. And they also must know that the tickers on the specific Viacom stations is a typical tactic.

I am upset with this, only if the channels are taken off and my bill remains the same.

I only really like TVland and the others I very rarely watch.


I think by blindsided, they mean that it was a private negotiation until Viacom started mudslinging without a warning about DirecTV with the crawl on the TV stations.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:14 AM

I think by blindsided, they mean that it was a private negotiation until Viacom started mudslinging without a warning about DirecTV with the crawl on the TV stations.


And this seems to happen every time. DirecTV is perfectly content to keep negotiating, and the media companies start wetting the mud.
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:18 AM

That works for me. Additional suggestions welcome.

Assuming Viacom counts SD and HD as different:


DirecTV |Viacom
1 |2 BET
1 |1 Centric
1 |2 CMT
1 |2 Comedy Central
1 |1 Logo
1 |2 MTV
1 |1 MTV2
1 |1 MTV t3es
1 |3 Nick, NickW
0 |1 Nick at Nite (evening programming on Nick) ?
1 |1 Nick Jr
1 |1 Nick Toons
1 |1 Palladia
1 |2 Spike
1 |1 Teen Nick
1 |1 TV Land
1 |2 VH1
1 |1 VH1 Classic
17 |26 Total


Wow, we have all of those channels? Obviously, I don't watch any of those. My wife watches TV Land sometimes, but I would personally not care if they went dark. Having said that, I hope Viacom blinks, and allows D to keep those channels on the air while negotiations continue. I'm sure those channels are important to many viewers.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:19 AM

I would be quite happy if they gave me BBC and TCM as compensation.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:19 AM

Oh I see, thanks BaHitman

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:20 AM

We have had discussions about how DirecTV gets signal from channels. Many saying that they only pull down what is on the birds, everyone getting them all at the same time from the same place. And yet, today, Viacom is running a banner for DirecTV that is not showing up on Fios. So, the source can dictate what they see somehow.


I wonder if it's some sort of sub-fed that is sent out with the transmission. And each provider (cable &sat) each have their own descrambler code and directvs causes the banner to stay intact. Kinda like the band stop filter concept




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