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#1 OFFLINE   splendorlex

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:29 AM

My first question is simple. I need to avoid credit checks right now, as I'm closing a loan for a home this week. I don't want to mess that up. DirecTV has a great deal right now, but it expires in a day or two. I assume new offers go up pretty quickly. Also, any word on how good this current deal actually is? I've never had DTV so I'm unfamiliar.

My next question is about DECA. I'm fairly advanced with my media usage, and I currently use media streamers in multiple rooms to stream my collection of ripped DVDs. (All legally purchased!) In the past with Comcast, I used MOCA to run the network, as it is FAR superior to Wireless. Does DECA function similarly for DirecTV? Can I hook up simple network switches at the STB locations to serve network/internet connectivity throughout the home? I was considering running a hardwired Ethernet network, but that is some work. If DECA works like MOCA, I can likely avoid that.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:47 AM

The next deal down the line may be better or worse. I wonder if the Viacom dispute may force DIRECTV to make it a little sweeter. While you can certainly suspend the install, I don't think you can suspend the credit check.

DECA is MoCA with a whole different set of adapters. Current MoCA adapters are NOT compatible and must be on a separate cabling system if continued use is desired.

DIRECTV is not real big on use of DECA for purposes other than communications between DIRECTV equipment. It can and is being done, but not with DIRECTV's blessing.

Note also that if you're using a DOCSIS modem, you'll need to make sure it isn't on the same cabling as the satellite system.

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#3 OFFLINE   splendorlex

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:53 AM

Thanks. Uverse was much the same way with their built-in HPNA networking, which worked great for my purposes but was not "officially supported" in any way. I used it just fine for some time.

As far as my internet, it will be going through Comcast, so it will be a DOCSIS modem. I was assuming that could be done with no issues, they have to have that come up a lot since they (DirecTV) aren't directly supplying internet.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:59 AM

If you're closing this week there's no need to worry about a credit inquiry at this point.
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 12:07 PM

I was assuming that could be done with no issues, they have to have that come up a lot since they (DirecTV) aren't directly supplying internet.

There aren't any issues as long as your modem cabling is entirely separate and apart from the satellite cabling. If you want DOCSIS and satellite in the same room, the DIRECTV installer will have to run another cable.

For their part, DIRECTV covers themselves by saying that you can't share the cable with anything (over-the-air, MoCA, RF modulators, DOCSIS). The solution they offer is a Ethernet or Wi-fi link between your router and the DECA network. See more at "Cinema Connection Kit".

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 12:08 PM

If you're closing this week there's no need to worry about a credit inquiry at this point.


We aren't closing the house until the 27th. We are getting final approval on the mortgage loan this week. That will happen Wednesday or Thursday, just after the current DTV deal expires. I may just wait it out till later this week to be safe. I'm sure there's always some kind of good deal going on.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 01:36 PM

Does anyone have any feedback on the Media Center DVR vs the standard HD DVR? I realize the Media Center has more storage and 5 tuners. How many programs can I record at once with the standard DVR? It's $100 difference out of pocket.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 01:41 PM

The HR34 DVR records 5 things at once, compared to the HR24 DVR which only records two at once.
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 01:59 PM

Plus he HR34 allows for a Whole Home DVR session from up to 3 other STB's vs. just 1 with the HR2X's.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 02:44 PM

I used the live chat to ask if the credit check was a soft pull or a hard pull. The agent indicated it was a soft pull, but I'm getting conflicting reports when checking on Google. I may have to wait and let the current offer pass.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 02:55 PM

I thought I read on here somewhere that the next promotion was going to include Sunday Ticket Max for free instead of just regular Sunday Ticket, so it would be a bit better deal.
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 03:11 PM

Do you really think the Bank is going to cancel your loan application because you plan on subscribing to Directv? That is being silly. A car loan, yes. DTV, no.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 03:35 PM

To answer the question about doing with deca what you did with the moca YES, that will work like you describe. No need to run dedicated cat5 for this. The "broadband" deca units are ideal for this as they use a more reasonable power supply. You can find them for good prices with splitters included on ebay.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 03:42 PM

Do you really think the Bank is going to cancel your loan application because you plan on subscribing to Directv? That is being silly. A car loan, yes. DTV, no.


Just being careful, haha. I do NOT want to mess this up. I worked hard on my credit to get where I am! :)

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 03:51 PM

I thought I read on here somewhere that the next promotion was going to include Sunday Ticket Max for free instead of just regular Sunday Ticket, so it would be a bit better deal.



I sure wish I knew what the next offer was, it would be easier!

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:05 AM

There is always a "deal", not worth worrying about. New customers can get almost anything they want.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 10:59 AM

There is always a "deal", not worth worrying about. New customers can get almost anything they want.


Yeah, I do kinda hope maybe I can get the top end DVR without $100 up front. Have they ever offered that DVR for free?

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:24 AM

No need to run dedicated cat5 for this.

Then again, having a conventional Ethernet network would have avoided having to do a wholesale replacement of all of the network adapters along with the attendant performance/compatibility questions. Forward compatibility and interoperability with MoCA is always going to be an uncertain path.

At some point, there's going to be a break in the building code treatment of home network cabling (both fiber and Cat5) and coax will likely disappear in a surprisingly short time.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:20 AM

Then again, having a conventional Ethernet network would have avoided having to do a wholesale replacement of all of the network adapters along with the attendant performance/compatibility questions. Forward compatibility and interoperability with MoCA is always going to be an uncertain path.

At some point, there's going to be a break in the building code treatment of home network cabling (both fiber and Cat5) and coax will likely disappear in a surprisingly short time.


Ideally, I would hope to hardwire a network at home. I wish I had faith in myself to be able to do it, but I am not handy and do not see myself running Cat5e or Cat6 through the walls and such. I do know a few electricians and might see what it would cost to have them come do that work. Maybe less than the cost of having to worry about DECA adapters and such. I really only need to wire 3-4 locations - Living Room (Main floor), Family Room (Basement), Office (Basement) and Master Bedroom.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:36 AM

Using deca to do this for me was a no brainier as I am in a condo and pulling cat5 wasnt going to happen. The cost of the decas on ebay is cheap and even if you pay retail for them they still cost MUCH less than similar moca devices for cable tv.

In fact If I move to a house where pulling cat5 might be easy I probably will not even bother because this works so well. Im saying that and I probably have enough material (cable, plates, jacks) at my shop to wire up a couple houses. Its just too convenient to do it over coax.

Honestly this feature will keep me on Directv longer than most other things like channels, hd, pix quality, gui or the receiver hardware.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 03:18 PM

Using deca to do this for me was a no brainier as I am in a condo and pulling cat5 wasnt going to happen. The cost of the decas on ebay is cheap and even if you pay retail for them they still cost MUCH less than similar moca devices for cable tv.

In fact If I move to a house where pulling cat5 might be easy I probably will not even bother because this works so well. Im saying that and I probably have enough material (cable, plates, jacks) at my shop to wire up a couple houses. Its just too convenient to do it over coax.

Honestly this feature will keep me on Directv longer than most other things like channels, hd, pix quality, gui or the receiver hardware.


Can you tell me the generalities of how you have it set up? How are you feeding the internet signal into the system? How are you then sharing it from your STBs?

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 04:58 PM

Can you tell me the generalities of how you have it set up? How are you feeding the internet signal into the system? How are you then sharing it from your STBs?


Your installer will get your system online by putting a deca that his hooked to the coax cabling and will connect it to your router via cat5. My main computer is in the same room as the router so its hooked up hard wired to the router. In 2 other rooms where the coax comes out of the wallplate I have put 2way "green labeled" splitters where one leg feeds the STB and the other goes to a DECABB1R0 deca. You can use the other decas I just like this one since it uses a smaller wallwart power adapter. You can then hook the cat5 jumper to whatever network devices you like. When you get your install, Directv is not likely to give you the extra decas Im sure you can talk your installer into making or giving you the extra coax jumpers which you will need to do this. You may already have them since you mentioned moca since they should be wired similar to cable tv. Remember you need 3 jumpers after the wallplate; one from wall plate to the input of splitter, then a jumper from each output of the splitter to the STB and deca.

Here is a link to the 2way (notice green label splitter be sure to get those):
http://www.solidsign...ku=874409002404

Link for what they used to call the "broadband" deca:
http://www.solidsign...Kit-(DECABB1R0)

If you search ebay use: "broadband deca" as your search. You can find them on there for under $20 each.

The major drawback to doing this other then the obvious lack of support by directv is you are adding extra LOSS to the input of the receiver. For me the pros outweigh these cons not to mention as long as the decas are working you could pull the dish and receivers and your coax network will still work for your other devices.




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