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#1 OFFLINE   Sea bass

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:42 PM

Are most of the movies in 4x3 format? Each time i have tuned in today, black bars left & right?? Thanks in advance.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:43 PM

Are most of the movies in 4x3 format? Each time i have tuned in today, black bars left & right?? Thanks in advance.


They show a lot of very old movies, particularly during the day, so those would be 4x3.

They show the movie in OAR almost every time.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:46 PM

Are most of the movies in 4x3 format? Each time i have tuned in today, black bars left & right?? Thanks in advance.


I haven't looked to see what movies they've been airing, but all movies filmed from around 1932 to 1952 were in a ratio close to 4:3, called Academy Ratio.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:46 PM

Are most of the movies in 4x3 format? Each time i have tuned in today, black bars left & right?? Thanks in advance.

Sometimes they do have movies at 16 x 9. To my knowledge, they leave movies in their original format. Obviously the older movies are 4 x 3.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 06:00 PM

Watching (recorded a few hours ago) Convicts 4, 1961, which was mis ID'd as Convicts, (1991). But it was in 16:9, didn't see any bad cropping. Nice resolution, too.

I'd forgotten that films prior to 1952 were "SD sized", mas o menos.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 06:07 PM

Uh, t just happens that SD is 480i and are 4:3, while HD has multiple higher resolutions and are 16:9. Please don't confuse resolution and ratio. It is possible to have a BluRay of a 1925 film (Metropolis, anyone?), and a DVD that is showing material in 2.35:1 ratio.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 06:15 PM

Watching (recorded a few hours ago) Convicts 4, 1961, which was mis ID'd as Convicts, (1991). But it was in 16:9, didn't see any bad cropping. Nice resolution, too.

I'd forgotten that films prior to 1952 were "SD sized", mas o menos.


That movie had a 1.85 aspect ratio so the letter boxing was barely noticeable.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 07:08 PM

Thank you for letting us know about TMCHD. I think I had a found a problem with channel guide. I have my HRD-34 set to hide duplicate SD. It seems to be not working for 256. I see the same channel twice. Anyone else seen this?

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 07:50 PM

Nice crisp picture, on TCM. So glad that this finally found it's way into the HD realm. So? Which channel would you folks like to see upgraded from SD to HD?

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 07:52 PM

My issue is that I had to add it to my channel list.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 09:15 PM

Watching Forbidden Planet now. Wow. Couldn't convince me it is not from an hd transfer. Not perfect but excellent for 56 year old movie. Never saw it like this (dont own the Blu ray but have seen older DVDs). Sound is excellent. 3.2.1. When they disembark from the ship early on, the footsteps echoed so nicely.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 09:22 PM

I agree, it sure looked like Forbidden Planet was in HD. Great PQ and AQ. Looked much better than I expected and surely better than what it did when I saw it in an el-cheapo theater in the mid 70's.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 09:39 PM

I agree, it sure looked like Forbidden Planet was in HD. Great PQ and AQ. Looked much better than I expected and surely better than what it did when I saw it in an el-cheapo theater in the mid 70's.


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Posted 19 July 2012 - 10:48 PM

and Robin Hood....damn good in HD no matter the 4:3.....just very vibrant colors.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 10:49 PM

and Robin Hood....damn good in HD no matter the 4:3.....just very vibrant colors.


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Posted 19 July 2012 - 10:56 PM

My issue is that I had to add it to my channel list.


you always have to do that its the only way for them to add the channel in hd.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 10:58 PM

Watching Forbidden Planet now. Wow. Couldn't convince me it is not from an hd transfer. Not perfect but excellent for 56 year old movie. Never saw it like this (dont own the Blu ray but have seen older DVDs). Sound is excellent. 3.2.1. When they disembark from the ship early on, the footsteps echoed so nicely.

And best of all, OAR!!!!


The Blu-ray is superior...

"The Adventures Of Robin Hood" Blu-ray is superior as well, but I'll be honest, depending upon a person's TV, viewing distance, and eyesight, the differences would probably be negligible on it for most people.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:03 PM

and Robin Hood....damn good in HD no matter the 4:3.....just very vibrant colors.


My gosh, in this version, Robin's band of merrie men numbers several hundred! And a lot of vine swinging, pre-Tarzan.

Yes, the colors are nicely done.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:51 PM

It does look very nice. Can't wait to see some of my favorites again.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:26 AM

Thank you for letting us know about TMCHD. I think I had a found a problem with channel guide. I have my HRD-34 set to hide duplicate SD. It seems to be not working for 256. I see the same channel twice. Anyone else seen this?


Its "HR34"

And I had that problem on my HR34 when TCM-HD went live.

Toggled the guide settings in "Preferences" to "Show all channels" and allowed them all to appear. Then back again to "Hide SD duplicates" fixed to issue.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 04:29 AM

BTW - 35mm (or 70mm) film is high definition. So those old film will look great on your HD set if the transfer to digital was done correctly.

And I wonder if we'll ever see vibrant colors like Robin Hood now that filmmakers have gone digital. There was something special about silver-based cinematography.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:14 AM

If it didn't burst into flames in the nitrate based days.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:33 AM

Its "HR34"

And I had that problem on my HR34 when TCM-HD went live.

Toggled the guide settings in "Preferences" to "Show all channels" and allowed them all to appear. Then back again to "Hide SD duplicates" fixed to issue.


I had to do that twice.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:05 AM

Are most of the movies in 4x3 format? Each time i have tuned in today, black bars left & right?? Thanks in advance.


I will recreate a post I deleted from another thread because it was off topic for that thread (and the question had basically been addressed by others).

Aspect ratio and resolution are totally independent. When the motion picture camera was first invented, the aspect ratio was 4:3 (1.333:1). All silent films were 4:3. When sound was added, the sound track took up space on the edge of the film, and the aspect ratio of the video became taller. Up until 1929, most "talkies" had an aspect ratio of 1.19:1. This caused complaints from theater owners and movier goers who were used to 4:3 because the picture did not fill the screen (sound familiar ;) ) From 1929 until 1932, the US studios agreed to an aspect ratio of 1.33:1, which actually used less of the top and bottom of the frame (to accomodate the sound track on the edge of the film). This made the picture fill the screen again, although some resolution was lost (similar to zooming a window box program to fill the screen on a 16:9 television - theaters in effect, moved the projector farther from the screen so the smaller, but proportional, image filled the screen). From 1932 until 1952, all films were shot in what is known as "Academy Ratio" at 1.375:1. The original television standard was selected to be 4:3 because that is very close to what the motion picture industry used, and that is what viewers were used to watching.

By 1952, most housholds had a television. To lure people back to the movie theaters, movies started to be produced in wide screen. There have been a wide variety of aspect ratios since 1952. Some of the more popular ones were Cinemascope (2.55:1 from 1952 to 1957 and 2.35:1 from 1957 to 1967), VistaVision (1.51:1), Todd-A.O. (2.29:1), CinemaScope 55 (2.55:1), Technirama (2:26:1), Ultra Panavision (2.776:1), Modern Anamorphic (2:37:1), and IMAX (1.34:1).

SD television is 4:3 (1.333:1), and HD television is 16:9 (1.778:1). Old films and IMAX films are very close to the SD television aspect ratio. The closest film formats to 16:9 are 3-Perf and Maxivision (both 1.79:1), but there are very few films shot with either of those formats. If the aspect ratio of the film is smaller than the aspect ration of the television set, and the film is shown in its original aspect ratio, then there will be bars on the sides of the image (pillar box). If the aspect ratio is larger than the aspect ratio of the television set, then there will be bars at the top and bottom (letter box).

The horrible window box (bars on the top, bottom, and sides) is a result of viewing something that was 16:9 content formated for a 4:3 set, and then shown on a 16:9 set. Since TMC is now available in HD, we should never see window box again, but we will see pillar box or letter box, since TMC (to their credit) shows films in the original aspect ratio.

Resolution, on the other hand, has nothing to do with aspect ratio. Most film (except for some old, silent B&W film and some very early color film) has a native resolution that is far greater than HD television can reproduce. The resolution we see, however, is dependent on how the film was mastered for television. Films can be remastered for HD television with excellent resolution (e.g., newly mastered Bluray discs). Unfortunately, there is a large backlog of old movies that are only available in DVD quality at this time, and some are only available on SD quality video tape (far better than VHS or Beta, but still not quite DVD quality). Even DVD quality shown on TMC HD is going to look better than DVD quality shown on TMC SD, but it is not as good as it could be. Until all old films are remastered, though, what we see will be limited by what is available to be shown.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:23 AM

BTW - 35mm (or 70mm) film is high definition. So those old film will look great on your HD set if the transfer to digital was done correctly.

And I wonder if we'll ever see vibrant colors like Robin Hood now that filmmakers have gone digital. There was something special about silver-based cinematography.


The vibrant colors were not just because they used silver-based film. Processing of early color films (1917 to 1954) was done by using color filters on three separate strips of film, and then producing cyan, magenta, and yellow images, which were superimposed to create the print. From 1928 to 2002, most color films were shot on negative film, then printed to positives using dye transfer. Either of these methods produced far more vivid (and some would say too vivid to be life-like) colors than one sees with modern color film or with digital technology.

South Pacific (1958) is an example of a film that used color filters to intentional distort the color during many of the song sequences. Director Joshua Logan wanted subtle changes, but the studio (20th Century Fox) produced extreme changes, which is what we see in the released version.




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