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#151 ONLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 06:12 PM

Did I word that wrong? I'm saying the HD feed looks much better.


Yeah. You did. I read it the way you meant it but them after the followup I realized i read your intent rather than your words.
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 06:14 PM

:lol: Sorry guys... I fixed it. It's been a long day. ;)
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 06:20 PM

Watching The Great Escape right now and this is the first time I've ever seen anything on TCM. The picture looks a little out of focus. Is that normal or just with this movie?
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 06:23 PM

I started watching this, too, and it's just a plain old, fuzzy transfer. I've seen much better in the past few days on TCM HD. Give it another chance.
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 06:40 PM

Upconvert never looks amazing! Enough said :lol:

I would bet in the real world you would find more people would prefer a 480p over a 480i upconverted to 1080i.


Ok...there it is...first you said upconvert looked like watching through a screen door...now you say it's just not "amazing". For you there's no in between???

I just don't get your second statement......I live in the "real world" (and have for nearly 60 years), haven't watched anything in 480i in years.....all my dvd players are 480/p. And I'd prefer watching a 480/p dvd upconverted to 1080/p than just 480/p on it's own.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 08:03 PM

In honesty I think we can all agree that in its present state TCM HD isn't the state of art HD but again if we're honest you have to agree in pretty much every case it's better than it was in SD on D*. I've seen some pretty decent stuff over the last few days. Right now "The Great Escape" no so much which is sort of surprising.

I watch TCM most of the time, my DVR is filled with movies from TCM and I appreciate having it look better even if it's not "true HD." you can argue wether it was the best choice with limited bandwidth to add it in as it stands now but I think it would be pretty easy to say its PQ is at least helped for the better

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 09:16 PM

In honesty I think we can all agree that in its present state TCM HD isn't the state of art HD but again if we're honest you have to agree in pretty much every case it's better than it was in SD on D*.


No, we can't all agree! There's one guy who's, uh, adamant that that isn't so.

And I'd say that on some material, the PQ is tremendously enhanced. Still not HD, but a big improvement all around.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 05:42 AM

You want everyone in a thread to agree on a point? Are you crazy?

In any case, whether other people are happy with the upconversion of TCM or not is totally meaningless in my living room. I'm happy. That's what counts.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 06:01 AM

I can certainly appreciate the position of those who criticize the TCM addition, saying it's not a true HD channel. Hell, I'd rather have BBC America before TCM, since it IS true HD and I watch it a lot...when I can stand the crappy video, that is.

We all have our preferences. I've had D* since October of 2011 and I have yet to watch BBC. I prefer TMC in HD because they will show some movies in 16x9. There are some movies that I will watch in 4x3. This is the only basic channel left that will show movies without commercials. I don't watch movies with commercials. For movies I watch Netflix or my own Blueray/DVD's. I can handle TV shows with commercials, but why would anyone want to watch altered and cut movies with commericals on BBC or any other channel?

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 06:15 AM

1. BBC America
2. H2
3. IFC
4. Nat Geo Wild
5. ION

Again, this is my personal opinion, primarily based on the fact that TCM HD is merely showing upconverts right now, if they were showing true HD content, I'd have it up there.

And yes, I'll admit that by #5 on that list I was stretching a bit. I barely watch ION. But my point is, at the rate DirecTV adds HD basics, I just would have liked to see some actual HD.

The only ones I agree with you on is H2 and ION. IFC is overloaded with commercials, I don't care for NGW, and like I said before, I have yet to watch BBC. We all have our preferences. Over all those you have mentioned, TMC is my preference.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 06:51 AM

Upconvert isn't HD, so stop calling it that! I have a DVD player that upconverts, does it make it look better, Um No it makes it look like your watching tv through a screen door! And 4x3 Black and white upconverted by no means looks better then SD channel version.

My Sony blueray player upscales my DVD's to 1080I, and they do look much better. But then I'm watching them on a Sony CRT widescreen, via DVI/HDMI, that has a native resolution of 1080I. Not as good as blueray,which my set displays at 1080I, but certainly better then 480P, which my tv also does natively and even much better than 480I which my set also does.

D* SD is pretty good on my set since I feed it a 480P signal. Again, the CRT native 480P signal is what probably makes it much better viewing than on plasmas or LCD's. I was at a New Orleans hotel a few weeks ago, and I'm pretty sure they use D*, and the SD picture was horrible on their HD tv. But here at home, as I said, the SD pq is pretty good on my set.

So if you don't see an improvement on your upconverted DVD's, it could be those newer TV's. Just a guess.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 08:44 AM

After seeing how The Maginficent Seven upconvert looks on TCMHD, I'm convinced that some of the movies shown on MGMHD and HDNet Movies are not true HD, either.

Several movies I've seen on those two channels look much better than SD but not up to HD quality...very similar to the way The Magnificent Seven looked. Quite good, the best I've ever seen it, but not HD.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 09:13 AM

After seeing how The Maginficent Seven upconvert looks on TCMHD, I'm convinced that some of the movies shown on MGMHD and HDNet Movies are not true HD, either.

Several movies I've seen on those two channels look much better than SD but not up to HD quality...very similar to the way The Magnificent Seven looked. Quite good, the best I've ever seen it, but not HD.

I'm very happy with our new addition.


That is corollary to me point. We know TCM is up converts because we know, not because we see it. We have no idea what other movies/shows are up converted by sight.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 10:19 AM

Are most of the movies in 4x3 format? Each time i have tuned in today, black bars left & right?? Thanks in advance.


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Posted 23 July 2012 - 10:30 AM

I turned on TCM HD, and watched A Sunday In New York. It looked very good. I could read the advertisements inside the 5th Avenue Bus. Quite nice.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 10:33 AM

Most movies are 4x3 format.

That's true.

While there have been various wide screen formats dating back as far back as the late 1890s, nearly all movies pre 1952ish are in 4x3.

The popularity of TV is usually credited with the switch to widescreen movies but there are a few formats that predate TV. ;)

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:02 PM

Well, I have enjoyed this channel all weekend on and off...f'd my back up, good excuse right, but it is been great! Heck, upconverted, not true HD, I don't care, looks great on my 55" Toshiba!

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 09:45 PM

After seeing how The Maginficent Seven upconvert looks on TCMHD, I'm convinced that some of the movies shown on MGMHD and HDNet Movies are not true HD, either.

Several movies I've seen on those two channels look much better than SD but not up to HD quality...very similar to the way The Magnificent Seven looked.


Wow, really? I haven't seen an upconvert of any kind on MGM HD or HDNet Movies that I can recall offhand, and I watch them all the time. Sony Movie Channel's issue at the start of the channel wasn't upconverts but the wrong aspect ratio. HUGE difference there compared to that TCM HD's airing of THE GREAT ESCAPE which was standard definition in 16:9. I've never seen anything, ever, on HDNet Movies, MGM HD or Sony HD that looked like that.

That said, I'm still thrilled to have TCM HD. I watch so much of the channel that just having it digitally is a great thing. I have zero idea how much of what they air is in HD -- but I hope it's more than what I sampled over the weekend, especially since THE GREAT ESCAPE has aired in true HD on other channels.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 10:15 PM

That's why I alluded to the PQ of "The Great Escape" and why I was disappointed. I remember seeing it on HDNet or elsewhere and was pleased but last nights showing on TCM was vey disappointing.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 06:34 AM

Wow, really? I haven't seen an upconvert of any kind on MGM HD or HDNet Movies that I can recall offhand, and I watch them all the time. Sony Movie Channel's issue at the start of the channel wasn't upconverts but the wrong aspect ratio. HUGE difference there compared to that TCM HD's airing of THE GREAT ESCAPE which was standard definition in 16:9. I've never seen anything, ever, on HDNet Movies, MGM HD or Sony HD that looked like that.

That said, I'm still thrilled to have TCM HD. I watch so much of the channel that just having it digitally is a great thing. I have zero idea how much of what they air is in HD -- but I hope it's more than what I sampled over the weekend, especially since THE GREAT ESCAPE has aired in true HD on other channels.


True HD transfers do not yet exist for every movie. The choice the channels have is to either limit their showings to the movies for which there is an HD transfer or show what is available. Upconversion is far better than cutting or not honoring the OAR, and to its credit, TCM shows their movies uncut, uninterrupted, and in the OAR.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 06:43 AM

Actually, newer films would come near having "noise" than the older films. Don't mistake grain with "noise." One's good, the other's bad.

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Grain and noise are both artifacts and both are bad. Analog noise (grain) is just less bad than digital noise.

In that respect, video is similar to audio. Many audiophiles embrace the distortion on analog recordings and go as far as saying that it adds warmth, while at the same time bashing the clipping that occurs with digital recordings. The reality is that neither is a true representation of the original, but the analog distortion is better tolerated than digital distortion is.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 07:00 AM

1080i or 720p makes no difference to me as long as it's a quality transmission. Seems kinda backwards that were on the verge of 4k Ultra HD sets rolling out and no 1080p content outside of Blu-ray. And since I'm on the topic, yeah, DVD playback is not high on my priority list like it was a decade ago.

I'm still trying to understand. What difference does it make if content is transmitted in 1080I, since your 1080P tv will display it in 1080P anyway? Or am I wrong on that?

The only difference is the way the lines are displayed. 1080I displays even lines first and odd lines 2nd, which my 1080I set does. Your set will display all lines at the same time since your set's native resolution is 1080P. Mine does it backwards. It will take a 1080P blue ray signal and display it at 1080I. Obviously displaying at 1080P is better.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:10 AM

Grain and noise are both artifacts and both are bad.


That is incorrect...

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:29 AM

Watching Strangers on a Train and it looks very near HD.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:51 AM

On August 1st they will be broadcasting McLintock!, Red River, Rio Bravo, The Searchers, and She Wore a Yellow Ribbon for you John Wayne fans.

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