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Now that the Dispute has Ended what have we Learned?


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#26 ONLINE   sigma1914

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:25 AM

I learned how snobbish people can be with what they watch on TV. Words like trash, garbage & crap to describe content on Viacom channels really showed the arrogance of some posters.
If you stop responding to them or put them on ignore, then eventually they'll go away.

#27 OFFLINE   mitchflorida

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:27 AM

Some people do have standards.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:28 AM

I discovered that you can watch the most recent new episode of Degrassi in HD on their website about an hour after it airs up until the next new ep airs...better than watching in SD on TeenNick!
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:28 AM

I learned how snobbish people can be with what they watch on TV. Words like trash, garbage & crap to describe content on Viacom channels really showed the arrogance of some posters.


Some people do have standards.


My point is proven.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:34 AM

I learned how snobbish people can be with what they watch on TV. Words like trash, garbage & crap to describe content on Viacom channels really showed the arrogance of some posters.


Face it. A lot of what we all watch is trash, garbage & crap. It's just *my* trash, garbage & crap.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:34 AM

You mean like the NHL that they ignore now while acting like every NBA game they ever air is a ***** classic in SC highlights?


NHL is on NBC. ESPN is ABC. Of course ESPN will show more highlights from sports for which they have the rights than for sports they have to obtain the rights from another network to show.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:35 AM

I was hoping we'd get Epix out of this debacle.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:37 AM

For those of us in the industry, this was a real eye opener. Viacom got humiliated, that's the best way I can state it and the chatter among nearly everyone I speak to that does this for a living.

Humiliated, publicly undressed, you name it. They thought they had the leverage and DTV got what they wanted from what I hear. The channels are back up, they aren't paying anything close to the 30% and if I am a betting man, Epix isn't coming. Meanwhile, Viacom got clobbered in the ratings, have to give make-goods to advertisers, likely lost some of their digital rights and they helped their competition like Disney, Sprout and others gain market share.

WHAT AN ABSOLUTE DEBACLE FOR VIACOM.

There is no other way to put it. I've also not seen a major programmer act in such a low brow manner as they did. The sniping on both sides was not needed, but especially what Viacom had done. When they altered the video of DTV's CEO Mike White and called him a liar, that is not something you do. The 26 channels BS right from the start was garbage. The comment that DTV was only negotiating 10 minutes a day - knowing a few folks over at Viacom and DTV, that was a bald face lie and Denise Denson should apologize for that rhetoric. Unprofessional.

The relationship will take some time to heal. Redstone must be fuming.

DTV certainly lost some customers but they came out stronger from this. This was a strategic battle they picked and sends a message to the other majors out there. The message is simple, we can live for a long time without you and we are willing to lose customers. The days of grow grow grow subscribers at all costs are over, we can sustain what you throw at us so think real hard before you do it.

That's my view from inside the television world in talking to friends and colleagues the last few days.


I completely agree with the assessment above.

From a financial point of view, this was MUCH harder for viacom.

Viacom spent money on radio ads, full-page newspaper ads, and several other ways trying to convince the public that DirecTV is bad.

Viacom will have to pay off a large number of advertisers that expected their products to be shown on-air to DirecTV's 20 million potential viewers during popular (and less popular) shows.

Meanwhile....

DirecTV mainly waged a online war, which is cheap. And if they lost a 1000 customers in total over these last 10 days, I'd say it is a lot. Of course we won't see the numbers, but it won't be anywhere near the amount of money they lost that Viacom has used up and lost in this.

And yes, I think the television industry will have learned from this:

DirecTV is willing to go black for 2 weeks for.... ehm.... lets just say "17 to 26" channels. :D But is the next television producer willing to go that far? Now that they know DirecTV isn't going to be bullied into submission, how far are they willing to let things go when their turn to negotiate comes up?
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:41 AM

I learned how snobbish people can be with what they watch on TV. Words like trash, garbage & crap to describe content on Viacom channels really showed the arrogance of some posters.


Those are called opinions.

I still think the television produced by Viacom, besides the fact it is geared towards audiences under 25, spread over a number of channels, with exception of Spike and TVLand, is mostly reality garbage and trash that I would never watch. But to each their own, some people like it, I think it is pure trash.

I do believe however, that people are entitled to that opinion, just as they are entitled to proclaim it was the best television since they invented sliced bread.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:44 AM

I think it could be more far reaching than just directv being tough. It could adjust the balance of who has the upper hand.

The demands to get paid for programming have gotten out of hand. Satellite and cable companies would be happy to be conduits an make their money for what they do...transmit signal but the content providers started to make it all about the paycheck for the programming so the satellite and cable industry get squeezed. Then they try to be content providers cause that is where the money is going.

It is all out of kilter and this may not turn it back around but it at least slowed the freight train of companies thinking because they own 1000 reruns of King of the Hill that they are king of the hill.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:44 AM

We learned that, in no uncertain terms (and consistent with their previous statements), DIRECTV doesn't want anything to do with Epix.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:49 AM

We learned that, in no uncertain terms (and consistent with their previous statements), DIRECTV doesn't want anything to do with Epix.


Guess we will have to save this post for when Epix appears on directv.

Nuance is beyond your ken?
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:51 AM

Viacom is one of the most dishonest companies around.

Everything they posted on their website, FB, and Twitter was a lie. They went as far as saying that they were not negotiating anymore.

Thats what I learned,
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:02 AM

Satellite and cable companies would be happy to be conduits an make their money for what they do...transmit signal but the content providers started to make it all about the paycheck for the programming so the satellite and cable industry get squeezed.


Well, you can't run a supermarket without groceries to sell. So yes, the content providers do have the upper hand, and probably always will have. That's why HBO, Showtime, etc., which only used to retransmit movies owned by other producers, became producers themselves.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:09 AM

Well, you can't run a supermarket without groceries to sell. So yes, the content providers do have the upper hand, and probably always will have. That's why HBO, Showtime, etc., which only used to retransmit movies owned by other producers, became producers themselves.


It has gotten out of balance though. It should be a symbiotic relationship. Viacom and others (yes, I mean you, mr mickey mouse) have been pushing it to the extreme.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:15 AM

I learned that I am totally dependent on The Daily Show for a huge portion of my news. I hope they find a way to catch us up with the missed episodes. (before it gets said, on the tv, not the web)

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:23 AM

I learned that I am totally dependent on The Daily Show for a huge portion of my news. I hope they find a way to catch us up with the missed episodes. (before it gets said, on the tv, not the web)


I hope you meant "news" in quotes.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:26 AM

I hope that the networks learned that playing hard ball hurts them a lot more than it hurts the sat/cable companies and that they don't have anywhere near the leverage they thought they had.

I learned that Dish needs to hire some of DirecTV's negotiators.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:36 AM

I also learned it's possible to have another thread about the dispute. :lol:
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:41 AM

Guess we will have to save this post for when Epix appears on directv.

Nuance is beyond your ken?


I'm not so sure it will any time soon. DirecTV will have to manage their bandwidth carefully over the next 2 years, and although I very much think that eventually Epix will be carried, I think they will want to wait until they have secured more bandwidth through new satellite launches.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:42 AM

I learned that Dish needs to hire some of DirecTV's negotiators.


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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:57 AM

I learned that I am totally dependent on The Daily Show for a huge portion of my news.


This may be the saddest and/or most frightening post I've ever read in my years on dbstalk.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:01 AM

Well, you can't run a supermarket without groceries to sell.


On the other hand, you can't sell any advertising if you don't have the viewers to back it up.

And television companies are hit with a double-whammy there.

No carriage: No income from carriage fees.
No carriage: Less income from advertisers. (provided the channel is still carried elsewhere.)

Also: grocery stores also pull certain brands/product lines every so often. If they just don't sell all that well, or a distributor is asking too high a price, they might not carry that brand. But there is still enough brands left to carry to make a profit. And I believe DirecTV would have continued to make a profit, even without Viacom.

Viacom would stand to lose a lot more money with losing DirecTV as a potential audience, especially with their ratings as dismal as they are, and their stock responding to it.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:11 AM

I learned that I am totally dependent on The Daily Show for a huge portion of my news. I hope they find a way to catch us up with the missed episodes. (before it gets said, on the tv, not the web)


This may be the saddest and/or most frightening post I've ever read in my years on dbstalk.


Let's just say.....analysis.....and leave it at that! :lol:

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:17 AM

I learned I need to jump on the discounts bandwagon before the ride ends.

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