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Now that the Dispute has Ended what have we Learned?


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#151 OFFLINE   paulman182

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 08:24 AM

I've learned people can focus on a second rate movie channel over most anything else.


It is the only Viacom channel I have any interest in.

Equipment includes a buncha stuff that I no longer have interest in detailing


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#152 OFFLINE   RunnerFL

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 09:15 AM

I see you're being helpful, but I am a long time participant on usenet, and my question was of Tblazer.


If you're a "long time participant" then you know how to use it so why ask unless you're just trying to start an argument?
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 09:18 AM

Very true, but now there are hundreds of dedicated Usenet providers so you don't need to deal with your ISP. You obviously haven't checked it out recently. The difference is, it isn't free, but it's real cheap.


No, it's been quite a while since I checked out newsgroups. I just really haven't had the time.
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#154 OFFLINE   RunnerFL

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 09:19 AM

When I raised the question of TBlazer saying he was able to get "everything from usenet", it's because you simply can't get everything there. Some might be able to download some shows from some groups, but it's an arcane and tedious process.

And, yes, usenet is as contentious as ever, but with far less trolls than a few years ago. (probably because access is now mostly paid).


Yup, just trying to start an argument. I shouldn't be surprised.

I took TBlazer's "everything" to mean everything he needed not everything under the sun.
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#155 OFFLINE   harsh

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 09:48 AM

When I raised the question of TBlazer saying he was able to get "everything from usenet", it's because you simply can't get everything there.

I think you would be surprised to see the changes to using usenet that have come about recently. Don't ignore the usenet DVR that TBlazer07 brought up. usenet binaries aren't about uudecode and munpack anymore.

Again, I'm not (nor is TBlazer07) asserting that usenet is the all-encompassing solution, but it is a surprisingly comprehensive alternative if your first line goes down. usenet is still about finding an oasis in a vast desert.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 10:50 AM

Yup, and not many providers still have USENET servers either. I remember when this was how people discussed things instead of arguing on forums like this.


It has moved to its own 3d party service. I have a $10-a-month Usenet account, and whenever I need something the DVR missed.... it will be there, and download at the full speed of my internet connection. (which is 24 Mbps atm).
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 10:56 AM

When I raised the question of TBlazer saying he was able to get "everything from usenet", it's because you simply can't get everything there. Some might be able to download some shows from some groups, but it's an arcane and tedious process.

And, yes, usenet is as contentious as ever, but with far less trolls than a few years ago. (probably because access is now mostly paid).


Usenet is no longer "arcane and tedious". Ever heard of NZB files? Download a client like SABNZBd, it will be a web-based tool just running on the background, and then you can use a NZB index site, just search something, and with 1 or 2 clicks it will download it from the usenet server you subscribe to. A ".nzb" file is to usenet what a ".torrent" file is to BitTorrent.

"Everything" is a rather loaded statement of course, you can't get "Everything" from any media and/or provider and/or technology and/or you-name-it. The statement would be more correct if it is "Everything I like to watch".
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 11:09 AM

When I raised the question of TBlazer saying he was able to get "everything from usenet", it's because you simply can't get everything there. Some might be able to download some shows from some groups, but it's an arcane and tedious process.

And, yes, usenet is as contentious as ever, but with far less trolls than a few years ago. (probably because access is now mostly paid).


I beg to differ. First of all, you have zero contact with any of the usenet groups. I haven't seen a usenet group since the 90's. As I said, you can get virtually every OTA and cable network TV show within hours after it has been aired (and sometimes sooner because many are recorded in Canada earlier). Well, let me clarify that a bit since I obviously haven't tried to watch "every" TV show that has been on, but if there is one you missed from a major network you can be almost 100% certain it will be there going back at least a season or more depending on your usenet providers retention capacity.You can also select with or without DD5.1.

As for being "an arcane and tedious process," if you have the proper tools it takes 3 simple steps and (not counting download time) a matter of 2 minutes. It's much easier than setting up a SL on a DVR. So easy that I talked my wife through getting a show for me I forgot to record record it while away. Her computer knowledge is limited to a Google search. You obvioulsy either haven't tried it recenly or simply don't have the proper tools.

Since I pay for all the channels I have no feelings of guilt taking them off the 'net.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 11:16 AM

"Everything" is a rather loaded statement of course, you can't get "Everything" from any media and/or provider and/or technology and/or you-name-it. The statement would be more correct if it is "Everything I like to watch".

Of course you are correct, but more like "Everything I like to watch and more." :) I'd bet it's pretty close to "every cable & ota network's prime time series lineup for at least a season or more."

I've been using a "$10/month" provider for about 5 years but am considering switching to a "non-expiring block purchase." For my infrequent use it seems to be a lot more efficient. I probably could have had 5 years worth of data for less than what I have been paying per year.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:14 PM

I agree. It is much easier to read the opinions of those who are of like mind then to have to contemplate the thoughts of those who may offer a different view. Makes for a less stressful day.

Can't tell if this is a straight or sarcastic response.

I have no problem with different views. I DO have a problem with the same people repeating the same stuff over and over and over. I've plonked quite a few of these folks, on both sides of the issue, lately.

Now if there were just a way to automatically block any post containing the phrase "As I've said before" ...
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:19 PM

Can't tell if this is a straight or sarcastic response.


Exactly

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:23 PM

I think you would be surprised to see the changes to using usenet that have come about recently. Don't ignore the usenet DVR that TBlazer07 brought up. usenet binaries aren't about uudecode and munpack anymore.

Again, I'm not (nor is TBlazer07) asserting that usenet is the all-encompassing solution, but it is a surprisingly comprehensive alternative if your first line goes down. usenet is still about finding an oasis in a vast desert.


I especially like that last sentence.

And, yeah, I should have stated I have no interest in using a web based service to find binary files on usenet. For that access you've got to pay, unless you have a rare ISP.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:34 PM

Yup, just trying to start an argument. I shouldn't be surprised.


Actually, I was looking for clarification from TBlaz, and I got it. He pays a lot for binary access, and has a web based method for finding what he wants.
Also got useful info for others, whereas you posted a link to a Wiki article.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:37 PM

Usenet, really? Could you please tell us how? Or did you mean the internet?


What with all the asides and some blather, I just want to say thanks for the thorough replies that you and others have provided.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 08:11 AM

When I raised the question of TBlazer saying he was able to get "everything from usenet", it's because you simply can't get everything there. Some might be able to download some shows from some groups, but it's an arcane and tedious process.


And, yeah, I should have stated I have no interest in using a web based service to find binary files on usenet. For that access you've got to pay, unless you have a rare ISP.

The point I'm trying to make is that you're statements have been pretty far off base. You claimed to be quite familiar with usenet but it is apparent that you're not. You speak of the entirety of usenet being clogged with contentious discussions and that's not true. You say that finding and grabbing binaries is arcane and tedious and it isn't. You also assert that there isn't much there to be had and that's not true either.

Not every ISP has given up on usenet. I have a couple of accounts that offer high reliability usenet feeds (Calweb and Earthlink).

Whether you have an interest in going through a particular process (that you seem quite unfamiliar with) does not determine what can be done. Life is more fun if you're looking for ways to get things done as opposed to declaring them unimportant because you can't be bothered to learn about them.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:23 AM

When I raised the question of TBlazer saying he was able to get "everything from usenet", it's because you simply can't get everything there. Some might be able to download some shows from some groups, but it's an arcane and tedious process.


And, yeah, I should have stated I have no interest in using a web based service to find binary files on usenet. For that access you've got to pay, unless you have a rare ISP.


The point I'm trying to make is that you're statements have been pretty far off base. You claimed to be quite familiar with usenet but it is apparent that you're not. You speak of the entirety of usenet being clogged with contentious discussions and that's not true. You say that finding and grabbing binaries is arcane and tedious and it isn't. You also assert that there isn't much there to be had and that's not true either.

Not every ISP has given up on usenet. I have a couple of accounts that offer high reliability usenet feeds (Calweb and Earthlink).

Whether you have an interest in going through a particular process (that you seem quite unfamiliar with) does not determine what can be done. Life is more fun if you're looking for ways to get things done as opposed to declaring them unimportant because you can't be bothered to learn about them.


Well said Harsh! (never thought I'd ever say that and yes, it hurt :lol:)
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:44 AM

The only thing we have learned is that of the two satellite television service providers, DirecTV has proven yet again that it is more capable.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:25 AM

This is not a discussion about usenet. Take it to PM. From this point on discuss the topic, NOT each other.

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