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Uplink Activity for August 2012


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#41 OFFLINE   James Long

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 01:24 PM

I see in that v20 only one 6849 at 61.5 tp 21, so

should be split to
- 6849 UP29 61.5° TP 21 (HD Hidden) moved to 6849 UP29 61.5° TP 22 (HD Hidden)
- added: 6849 UP29 110° TP 3 (HD Hidden)

They are not real channels (just placemarkers to keep certain equipment happy) so it really doesn't make a difference.


Perhaps new sat E16 will provide more power to your direction ...

E16 has a ConUS+ PR footprint. It also has spots for PR, Bermuda, Cuba and Mexico City.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 01:33 PM

How look CONUS+PR coverage ?

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 01:34 PM

They are not real channels (just placemarkers to keep certain equipment happy) so it really doesn't make a difference.


I mean something in an algo of comparing ...

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 08:52 PM

How look CONUS+PR coverage ?

About the same as Echostar 15 ... so no improvement for 61.5.

PR should be able to get 61.5 with a normal single satellite dish. The current coverage is the same as ConUS. What PR will not get is 72.7 and 77 ... which have no intended coverage of PR.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:02 AM

But... the conversation we've been having the last week... Dish already lost 148, and doesn't have a satellite there anymore.

I have been able to verify through FCC documents that DISH lost all 32 transponders at 148. The long and twisted tale started with the failure of Echostar 2 and movement of channels to Echostar 1. Then Echostar 5 was moved to 148 and Echostar 1 moved to 77. Then Echostar 5 was deorbited.

DISH promised to move Echostar 8 to 148 upon the launch of Quetzsat-1 to 77 but never made that move. Quetzsat-1 launched last year (2011) and tested at 67 but is still there (at 67) and is apparently being moved to Europe! Echostar 1 and Echostar 8 continue to serve at 77.

In their last request DISH requested the licenses at 148 be held until after the launch of Echostar 16 (which was to be in July 2012 but will now be in September ... maybe). The FCC declined the request and considers the licenses as expired, effective 90 days after the deorbit of the last station licensed to be there - Echostar 5.

So there is no license for anything at 148 ... no satellite that could serve channels there. Perhaps the table entries are there just to mess with the heads of hackers. :)

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 02:09 AM

So there is no license for anything at 148 ... no satellite that could serve channels there. Perhaps the table entries are there just to mess with the heads of hackers. :)


That's what I'm beginning to think... While frustrating, wouldn't it be cool if one day a whole bunch of new cool stuff showed up in the uplink?

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 04:00 PM

6 changes seen 8/27/12 at 11:46am ET (v22)

Channels Renamed
9645 TASTY (Advertising) renamed ITV (Advertising) (95 Local) (110° TP 10 SD Preview)
9645 TASTY (Advertising) renamed ITV (Advertising) (95 Local) (72.7° TP 23 SD MPEG4 Preview)

Preview Status Change
400 TENIS The Tennis Channel 110° TP 5 SD Instant Order Preview
400 TENIS The Tennis Channel 61.5° TP 6 SD MPEG4 Instant Order Preview
9442 TENIS (400 HD) The Tennis Channel 129° TP 29 HD Preview
9442 TENIS (400 HD) The Tennis Channel 72.7° TP 30 HD Preview

8673 Channels

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 05:10 PM

TENIS? *facepalm*

"Belligerent and numerous."

Sometimes I update the Dish Network FAQ

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 05:39 PM

TENIS? *facepalm*

DISH uses five letter channel names. Often that leads to shortened names.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 06:39 PM

Well yeah...but change the T and...*sigh* My mind is very tired.

"Belligerent and numerous."

Sometimes I update the Dish Network FAQ

AT200, Hopper & 360 via HDMI to Onkyo 505 to basement 42" Westy, Hopper via Comp-over-Cat5 to living room 42" Vizio with a Roku 3, Joey to Toshiba 32" LCD with a Logitech Revue. You want fries with that? Pull up to the 2nd window.


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 10:47 AM

So these stations uplinked to 148 are completely false? Or uplinked to nowhere?

Or is Dish planning to reoccupy the space at 148 on some future date? No one apparently knows.

And what good do distants do at that location? Just spaceholders? Or does Dish want to make 148 the location for RV customers to purchase distants from various cities, and also make it a location for a la carte nationwide distants (although both are a limited market)?

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 11:49 AM

perhaps spaceholders of some type. Each time zone, Chicago being E & C, for backup conus signals if & when there is some interruption with a local in the particular time zone. Directv does this with NY & LA. However, I wouldn't think 148 would be an option...that's as bad as 61.5...out of range for most...something over the central US would be more reasonable...72.7, 110.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 11:55 AM

perhaps spaceholders of some type. Each time zone, Chicago being E & C, for backup conus signals if & when there is some interruption with a local in the particular time zone. Directv does this with NY & LA. However, I wouldn't think 148 would be an option...that's as bad as 61.5...out of range for most...something over the central US would be more reasonable...72.7, 110.


That could be a possibility, but, like you say, it would make more sense to uplink to satellites that everyone is seeing, like 72.7 and 110. And they would need HD and SD uplinked from NY and LA, or comparable cities. And they could add Denver for Mountain time. Actually, didn't Denver just go up on the uplink report?

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 12:04 PM

Just a thought--Does some other satellite company own/lease a satellite at the 148 location? Perhaps that company is purchasing uplink services from Dish in order to sell distants from a variety of cities. It wouldn't really seem like a moneymaker, but who knows? A quick review of the uplinks tells me that NY and Denver and Chicago are uplinked in SD and HD, but LA is only uplinked in SD. I would think that LA should go up in HD as well, as well as a few other cities--maybe Phoenix, Portland, Seattle, Atlanta, Boston, Dallas, Boise, Salt Lake City, Honolulu, and San Francisco.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 03:51 PM

7 changes seen 8/28/12 at 12:31pm ET (v31)

Channels Now Available
4071 LTD0 119° TP 16 SD Hidden - AVAILABLE

New Uplinks / Mappings - Channels NOT Available
6101 SXM Sirius/XM Music Channels added to 110° TP 3 (Audio *TEST* Hidden) No EPG
6102 SXM Sirius/XM Music Channels added to 110° TP 3 (Audio *TEST* Hidden) No EPG
6103 SXM Sirius/XM Music Channels added to 110° TP 3 (Audio *TEST* Hidden) No EPG
6104 SXM Sirius/XM Music Channels added to 110° TP 3 (Audio *TEST* Hidden) No EPG
6105 SXM Sirius/XM Music Channels added to 110° TP 3 (Audio *TEST* Hidden) No EPG
6106 SXM Sirius/XM Music Channels added to 110° TP 3 (Audio *TEST* Hidden) No EPG

8679 Channels


6 changes seen 8/28/12 at 5:06pm ET (v01)

Other Changes
6101 SXM Sirius/XM Music Channels 110° TP 3 Audio *TEST* Hidden - EPG Added
6102 SXM Sirius/XM Music Channels 110° TP 3 Audio *TEST* Hidden - EPG Added
6103 SXM Sirius/XM Music Channels 110° TP 3 Audio *TEST* Hidden - EPG Added
6104 SXM Sirius/XM Music Channels 110° TP 3 Audio *TEST* Hidden - EPG Added
6105 SXM Sirius/XM Music Channels 110° TP 3 Audio *TEST* Hidden - EPG Added
6106 SXM Sirius/XM Music Channels 110° TP 3 Audio *TEST* Hidden - EPG Added

8679 Channels

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 05:03 PM

So these stations uplinked to 148 are completely false? Or uplinked to nowhere?

Or is Dish planning to reoccupy the space at 148 on some future date? No one apparently knows.

And what good do distants do at that location? Just spaceholders? Or does Dish want to make 148 the location for RV customers to purchase distants from various cities, and also make it a location for a la carte nationwide distants (although both are a limited market)?

The reports show changes in System Tables (meta data).

There is nothing regarding UPLINK, and just a description of downlink, not downlink itself.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:07 AM

4 changes seen 8/29/12 at 4:56am ET (v05)

Preview Status Change
9612 MGM (385 HD) MGM Movie Channel 129° TP 17 HD Instant Order - Preview Ended
9612 MGM (385 HD) MGM Movie Channel 72.7° TP 20 HD Instant Order - Preview Ended

No Longer Available
385 MGM MGM Movie Channel 119° TP 21 SD *TEST* Hidden
385 MGM MGM Movie Channel 72.7° TP 22 SD MPEG4 *TEST* Hidden

8679 Channels

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:46 PM

1 change seen 8/29/12 at 11:37am ET (v08)

Channels Now Available
4071 LTD0 72.7° TP 21 SD MPEG4 Hidden - AVAILABLE

8679 Channels


42 changes seen 8/29/12 at 3:51pm ET (v10)

Channels Now Available
9891 TVSPT TVN Sport (Polish) 118° TP 2 SD Preview - AVAILABLE
9797 NATCL International Channel 118° TP 6 SD Hidden - AVAILABLE Subchannel Mapdown 600-08 Added

New Uplinks / Mappings - Channels Available
808 ZING Indus Music (Urdu) added to 118° TP 12 (SD Hidden) AVAILABLE
6146 WABC NEW YORK, NY (ABC) added to 72.7° TP 32 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 61.5° 15s3 (Bethpage) Ch 6300
6147 WCBS NEW YORK, NY (CBS) added to 72.7° TP 32 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 61.5° 15s3 (Bethpage) Ch 6301
6148 WNBC NEW YORK, NY (NBC) added to 72.7° TP 32 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 61.5° 15s3 (Bethpage) Ch 6302
6149 WNYW NEW YORK, NY (FOX) added to 72.7° TP 32 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 61.5° 15s3 (Bethpage) Ch 6303
6151 KMGH DENVER, CO (ABC) added to 61.5° TP 25 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 129° 4s19 (NC Colorado) Ch 6330
6152 KCNC DENVER, CO (CBS) added to 61.5° TP 25 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 129° 4s19 (NC Colorado) Ch 6331
6153 KUSA DENVER, CO (NBC) added to 61.5° TP 25 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 129° 4s19 (NC Colorado) Ch 6332
6154 KDVR DENVER, CO (FOX) added to 61.5° TP 25 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 129° 4s19 (NC Colorado) Ch 6333
6156 WLS CHICAGO, IL (ABC) added to 61.5° TP 25 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 129° 9s22 (Lake Michigan) Ch 6312
6157 WBBM CHICAGO, IL (CBS) added to 61.5° TP 25 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 129° 9s22 (Lake Michigan) Ch 6313
6158 WMAQ CHICAGO, IL (NBC) added to 61.5° TP 25 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 129° 9s22 (Lake Michigan) Ch 6314
6159 WFLD CHICAGO, IL (FOX) added to 61.5° TP 25 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 129° 9s22 (Lake Michigan) Ch 6315
6160 KABC LOS ANGELES, CA (ABC) added to 110° TP 17 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 110° TP 17 Ch 9591
6161 KCBS LOS ANGELES, CA (CBS) added to 110° TP 17 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 110° TP 17 Ch 9592
6162 KNBC LOS ANGELES, CA (NBC) added to 110° TP 17 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 110° TP 17 Ch 9593
6163 KTTV LOS ANGELES, CA (FOX) added to 110° TP 17 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 110° TP 17 Ch 9594
6695 WISE (13) FORT WAYNE, IN (NBC) SV* added to 110° 18s13 (South Michigan) (SD Lafayette, IN market Hidden) AVAILABLE
6515 WNKYD (10) BOWLING GREEN, KY (CBS) SV* added to 119° 4sB14 (Nashville) (SD Zanesville, OH market Hidden) AVAILABLE

Channels Renamed
738 PNJBI Punjabi TV renamed GETPJ Punjabi TV (118° TP 26 SD Hidden)
8844 WJAN MIAMI, FL renamed WFUN (41 Local) (119° 3sB21 (Miami) SD Miami, FL market Hidden)
8873 WJAN MIAMI, FL renamed WFUN (41 Local) (119° 3sB21 (Miami) SD West Palm Beach, FL market Hidden)
8873 WJAN MIAMI, FL renamed WFUN (41 Local) (61.5° 31s25 (S Nevada) SD MPEG4 West Palm Beach, FL market Hidden)

Channels Renumbered
808 B4UMU renumbered 6224 on 118° TP 23 (SD Hidden)

Package Flag Change
260 TBN TBN 119° TP 9 SD - Package Flag Change (was SD Instant Order) x8C:7 Channel Groups Removed (12)
260 TBN TBN 72.7° TP 15 SD MPEG4 - Package Flag Change (was SD MPEG4 Instant Order) x8C:7 Channel Groups Removed (12)
6225 DISH (37 Local) 119° TP 14 SD Abilene, TX market Hidden - Package Flag Change x8C:9 Channel Groups Added (12)
6225 DISH (37 Local) 72.7° TP 14 SD MPEG4 Abilene, TX market Hidden - Package Flag Change x8C:9 Channel Groups Added (12)
6556 WVVA2 (47 Local) BLUEFIELD, WV (NBC) 77° TP 21 SD MPEG4 Bluefield/Oak Hill, WV market Hidden - Package Flag Change Mapdown Changed (was 47)
7214 WAOW2 (10 Local) WAUSAU, WI (ABC) 129° 12s15 (NE Wisconsin) SD Wausau, WI market Hidden - Package Flag Change Mapdown Changed (was 10) x8C: Channel Group Removed (2)

Preview Status Change
749 TV5NW TV5 News (Arabic) 118° TP 29 SD Hidden - Preview Ended
7129 MBCDR MBC Drama (Arabic) 118° TP 20 SD Hidden - Preview Ended

Other Changes
7081 WMLW (49 Local) MILWAUKEE, WI 119° 4sB12 (Madison) SD Milwaukee, WI market Hidden - Mapdown Changed (was 41 Local)
7081 WMLW (49 Local) MILWAUKEE, WI 61.5° 19s61 (St Louis) SD MPEG4 Milwaukee, WI market Hidden - Mapdown Changed (was 41 Local)
7082 WBME (41 Local) RACINE, WI 110° 4s18 (Lake Michigan) SD Milwaukee, WI market Hidden - Mapdown Changed (was 49 Local)
7082 WBME (41 Local) RACINE, WI 61.5° 19s61 (St Louis) SD MPEG4 Milwaukee, WI market Hidden - Mapdown Changed (was 49 Local)
5752 TPGM 118° TP 13 ITV Hidden
4071 LTD0 72.7° TP 21 SD MPEG4 Hidden - EPG Removed (Was Reference EPG linked to 119° TP 16 Ch 4071)

Uplinks Removed
385 MGM MGM Movie Channel removed from 119° TP 21 (SD *TEST* Hidden)
385 MGM MGM Movie Channel removed from 72.7° TP 22 (SD MPEG4 *TEST* Hidden)

8696 Channels

Edited by James Long, 29 August 2012 - 03:53 PM.


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Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:56 PM

[quote name='James Long']1 change seen 8/29/12 at 11:37am ET (v08)

New Uplinks / Mappings - Channels Available
6146 WABC NEW YORK, NY (ABC) added to 72.7° TP 32 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 61.5° 15s3 (Bethpage) Ch 6300
6147 WCBS NEW YORK, NY (CBS) added to 72.7° TP 32 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 61.5° 15s3 (Bethpage) Ch 6301
6148 WNBC NEW YORK, NY (NBC) added to 72.7° TP 32 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 61.5° 15s3 (Bethpage) Ch 6302
6149 WNYW NEW YORK, NY (FOX) added to 72.7° TP 32 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 61.5° 15s3 (Bethpage) Ch 6303
6151 KMGH DENVER, CO (ABC) added to 61.5° TP 25 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 129° 4s19 (NC Colorado) Ch 6330
6152 KCNC DENVER, CO (CBS) added to 61.5° TP 25 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 129° 4s19 (NC Colorado) Ch 6331
6153 KUSA DENVER, CO (NBC) added to 61.5° TP 25 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 129° 4s19 (NC Colorado) Ch 6332
6154 KDVR DENVER, CO (FOX) added to 61.5° TP 25 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 129° 4s19 (NC Colorado) Ch 6333
6156 WLS CHICAGO, IL (ABC) added to 61.5° TP 25 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 129° 9s22 (Lake Michigan) Ch 6312
6157 WBBM CHICAGO, IL (CBS) added to 61.5° TP 25 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 129° 9s22 (Lake Michigan) Ch 6313
6158 WMAQ CHICAGO, IL (NBC) added to 61.5° TP 25 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 129° 9s22 (Lake Michigan) Ch 6314
6159 WFLD CHICAGO, IL (FOX) added to 61.5° TP 25 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 129° 9s22 (Lake Michigan) Ch 6315
6160 KABC LOS ANGELES, CA (ABC) added to 110° TP 17 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 110° TP 17 Ch 9591
6161 KCBS LOS ANGELES, CA (CBS) added to 110° TP 17 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 110° TP 17 Ch 9592
6162 KNBC LOS ANGELES, CA (NBC) added to 110° TP 17 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 110° TP 17 Ch 9593
6163 KTTV LOS ANGELES, CA (FOX) added to 110° TP 17 (HD Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 110° TP 17 Ch 9594


Any idea what is going on here? Aren't the LA HD distants uplinked to where they were when AAD was still offering the service? Is AAD going to start offering HD distants again?

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:58 PM

Any idea what is going on here? Aren't the LA HD distants uplinked to where they were when AAD was still offering the service? Is AAD going to start offering HD distants again?

The Los Angeles and New York distants are on the same transponders as the existing channels. The Chicago and Denver channels are new, all on a transponder typically used for testing.

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