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Sinclair may pull locals from Dish on 8/16


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#21 OFFLINE   maartena

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 11:13 PM

DirecTV had the same problem with Tribune back in may. A good 30+ markets had channels pulled plus the national WGN channel. I think it took 4 days of black before they got a deal.

I'm siding with Dish on this one though, just like I sided with DirecTV. It has been noticed that in recent years, programmers have been asking for extreme price increases or unrealistic "all or nothing" carriage deals, such was the case with the recent Viacom/DirecTV dispute.

I say drop em for a week. They won't be able to last for much longer than that, and Dish will have a good deal. I guarantee you, people aren't fleeing anywhere the first week. Not even the second week.... so Dish (and DirecTV) will lose a LOT, LOT less than these stations will in advertising income that they now can't show to millions of Dish viewers in a variety of regions.

So even though I am not a Dish subscriber, I stand with Dish. Suck it, Sinclair!
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#22 OFFLINE   Stewart Vernon

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 11:43 PM

And then we have the whole problem of the Sinclair package - again who gives a crap if they permanently lose The CW and My Network TV in the Raleigh-Durham DMA?


Hey! I resemble that remark... ;)

But seriously...

I'm in a weird boat on that.. being in that DMA. I actually don't care if they drop the SD feeds (all they currently have) because when I watch either of these I watch them OTA for HD.

BUT... if the new agreement would include carriage of the HD feeds... then I care.

I mostly care about CW in HD... but if MyNetwork was in HD I would watch sometimes because they have some local and college sports at times.

So... the current threat to drop doesn't bother me since I don't watch those SD channels... but I would like the HD feeds.

To that end... I actually took some time earlier and visited the Sinclair Web site and told them just that... that I didn't care much for the negotiating over price part of the conversation... but that I cared more about if they would get carriage of their HD feeds on Dish. I told them I wanted to watch the HD feeds on Dish, but didn't care otherwise.

Not that it will make a difference... but I can hope!

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:04 AM

BUT... if the new agreement would include carriage of the HD feeds... then I care.

That is the good news for viewers when it comes to these mega owners. The importance of affiliates in bigger markets to the providers means that "package deals" that lead to carriage or better carriage of co-owned stations in other markets can be written. The down side is the markets that lose a major network while the owner plays chicken with a provider in order to get more money or better carriage. Most conflicts end in some carriage arrangement.

Here are two examples of arrangements that worked out better for the viewers in my market:

The first is WSBT, a CBS affiliate which at the time they were negotiating carriage had the UPN network on a sub-channel. DISH agreed to carry the sub-channel in order to get the major network ... and although UPN is long gone and the WB station became The CW, carriage of that sub-channel continues years later.

The second example is Weigle Broadcasting. In my market they own three low power stations ... which cannot exert a right to carriage. But they also own major network stations in other markets ... so since DISH wants the big stations elsewhere they ended up carrying all three of the low power stations (one of them being our ABC affiliate).

I am looking forward to the next contract fight with Weigel. I expect that will lead to CW in HD and carriage of the low power sub-channels for THIS, MeTV and Telemundo.

I do NOT support local stations holding out for money ... but I do support local stations and satellite carriers partnering together to get all the feeds carried via satellite. (I would not mind seeing the PBS channel carried in HD along with their channel's SD subfeed, but as a non-commercial channel they don't have the negotiating pull of the commercial channels.)

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 06:04 AM

This could get very ugly. I remember the battle a few years ago between a rural community cable system and Sinclair over retransmission of the Peoria, IL station. Again Sinclair wanted an outrageous increase. The cable system eventually countered by asking its customers to contact the station's advertisers and warn them they would no longer patronized them. It dragged on for months before Sinclair backed down enough for them to reach an agreement.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 06:21 AM

Sinclair owns MyTv, which is worthless and they own the ABC station in Asheville, NC. I do watch certain shows on ABC. I'm not in favor of the Fed's stepping in but something needs to be done about these providers wanting outrageous fees. IT WILL take an act of Congress to change things.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 06:25 AM

If we do lose local channels could Dish carry the networks from other areas to make up for the loss?

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 06:33 AM

If we do lose local channels could Dish carry the networks from other areas to make up for the loss?


No, that's the part the providers like dish want the FCC to change. If these stations are going to charge for retrans I think they need to loosen up the law. Those laws were bases on free over the air model.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 06:40 AM

As long as it gets settled by 9/9 (first Packer's game on FOX47).

If not, I go buy an antenna.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 06:52 AM

No, that's the part the providers like dish want the FCC to change. If these stations are going to charge for retrans I think they need to loosen up the law. Those laws were bases on free over the air model.

I think it's time the FCC stepped in and give permission for Dish to go ahead and be able to do this with federal mediation being allowed.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 06:53 AM

free OTA modules for the Hoppers!!

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 06:54 AM

In my market - I'll never miss them....( My network and the CW).


Ditto for me. Two stations I NEVER watch.
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 06:54 AM

How about Dish carrying the Distant Network Stations?

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 06:55 AM

Retransmission fees need to be banned.
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 07:11 AM

And it's time for me to steer clear of the Dish Facebook page again. This is going to get ugly.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 08:16 AM

Good thing that the deal for Sinclair to buy 6 stations from Newport won't close until December. That would have added 5 more major networks, including CBS in Cincinnati. Hopefully a deal will be made well before then.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 09:12 AM

free OTA modules for the Hoppers!!


And what about us rural folk?? :)
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 10:16 AM

as a subscriber to D* I am in full support of the clique that has E* and their channel negotiations..

But one has to ask...If DISH is REALLY looking out for us?? you guys with E* I mean.. (which every provider says during an outage or alleged pull) how come contracts cannot be negotiated if all subscribers do is pay their bills?

I can understand the hand in my hat mentality if there were delinquent people across the board not paying their monthly tabs at DISH and had to pull said channels because people aren't ponying up their bills...but its getting a bit tired now in that any provider cannot negotiate because 1 strong arms the other...they make plenty of money from the subscribers...WHERE IS IT ALL GOING???? that we have to have more ridiculous threats of channel pulls??

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 10:32 AM

If this new dispute goes through and doesn't get resolved quickly I will be going back to cable.


Cable is not immune to this. It's happening to CATV subs around the country as you are reading this reply.......

It's the new reality given the economy we are in coupled with all of the new technology the content providers are dealing with.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 10:42 AM

Nothing in California plus OTA reception is great here.
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 10:46 AM

See http://www.nasdaq.co...-20120813-01154


I hardly watch local channels much and there not any Sinclair stations here. I'm sorry for people in those cities.

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