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PAC 12 Network Added (was For fans of the PAC12, plz request PAC12 Network)


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#26 OFFLINE   kick4fun

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:11 PM

kick4fun,

You showed great restraint not hitting that guy.


Unbelievable restraint.. I had this Angel of a person that grabbed me and said, "Sir, you have your daughter". OMG, it was one of the hardest lessons learned considering how I felt. Anyway, Long story short and a great cup of coffee the next morning with my wife, I reasoned that A letter to the CEO was good satisfaction. No reason for a night in jail. :) One last note... I'm not named "kick4fun" without reason.. haha

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#27 OFFLINE   WazzuCougs

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:39 PM

Great to see so many Wazzu fans here!

Dish really does need to get with the program. Hopefully when DirecTV gets on board, Dish will follow. DirecTV has always seemed to take sports more seriously.

Fortunately I will be able to go to all of the football and basketball games in Pullman--and a few of the games will be on the ESPN networks--but I really want the Pac-12 Network. I've sent in a couple of the requests through the Pac-12 site.

Go Cougs! :)

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:49 PM

Great to see so many Wazzu fans here!

Dish really does need to get with the program. Hopefully when DirecTV gets on board, Dish will follow. DirecTV has always seemed to take sports more seriously.

Fortunately I will be able to go to all of the football and basketball games in Pullman--and a few of the games will be on the ESPN networks--but I really want the Pac-12 Network. I've sent in a couple of the requests through the Pac-12 site.

Go Cougs! :)


Go Cougs!!! Both Bill Moos and Mike Leach are so good for Wazzu.. So pumped... Not so sure about Dish, but if you still live at WSU, and Directv picks it up, you can watch at a number of places like the Coug, Valhalla (I worked there when it first opened), Sports Page or even My Office.. Good Luck and Go COUGS!

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 11:29 PM

Go Cougs!!! Both Bill Moos and Mike Leach are so good for Wazzu.. So pumped... Not so sure about Dish, but if you still live at WSU, and Directv picks it up, you can watch at a number of places like the Coug, Valhalla (I worked there when it first opened), Sports Page or even My Office.. Good Luck and Go COUGS!


There's definitely a renewed excitement for football. Just eight more days!

I don't live in Pullman, having graduated some time ago, but we live not far away. I guess I'd better be finding out which of my friends have DirecTV, assuming it signs on and Dish doesn't. Or maybe get the most basic DirecTV package possible that would include the Pac-12 Network?

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:34 PM

Nice reunion but is anybody else calling "E" and complaining? I'm surprised at the lack of pissed-off-edness here. New word but I like it.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:50 PM

So, look for a price hike of at least 80 cents in Pac-10 footprint, and, my guess, 35 cents everywhere else.

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Sports Business Journal has reported that the Pac-12 is seeking more than 80 cents per subscriber to carry its channels. That's more than CNN, USA and FX and about the same as Disney Channel, according to SNL Kagan, an industry consulting firm.
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In the fall, Time Warner Cable launches its two sports channels -- one in English and one in Spanish. Time Warner Cable secured the rights to the Lakers and the Galaxy and is hoping to snag the Dodgers as well. The price tag is just under $4 per subscriber and Time Warner Cable wants the channels distributed to everyone as opposed to putting them in a package for sports fans.
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:57 PM

So why not make the sports pack $ 10/month (as opposed to $9) and include PAC12 in the package? Thay way, you get Big 10/Pac 12 in the same bundle and only those who want it have to pay for it. It gets a little more complicated with the regional tiers, but no more complex than Dish has already done with the regional Fox Sports channels.

I'm not sure why this is so hard to work out. HD bandwidth maybe?

So, look for a price hike of at least 80 cents in Pac-10 footprint, and, my guess, 35 cents everywhere else.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:57 PM

Great news though. Even though we won't get the PAC-12 Channel, at least the Little League World Series on right now is in 3D. Oh, wait. Never mind.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:49 PM

Nice reunion but is anybody else calling "E" and complaining? I'm surprised at the lack of pissed-off-edness here. New word but I like it.


Right now I'm trying to be a little patient as I hope the sat providers try to work a deal.

I've contacted Dish several times now, and there are people commenting on Dish's latest post on Facebook: http://www.facebook....elevant_count=1

Shouldn't we be contacting the Pac-12 as well? Seems like they are more than happy to have us do their dirty work for them. I think they deserve a little pressure too.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 09:43 PM

Right now I'm trying to be a little patient as I hope the sat providers try to work a deal.

I've contacted Dish several times now, and there are people commenting on Dish's latest post on Facebook: http://www.facebook....elevant_count=1

Shouldn't we be contacting the Pac-12 as well? Seems like they are more than happy to have us do their dirty work for them. I think they deserve a little pressure too.



Don't worry. You will be able to watch your cougars first loss on ESPN in full HD one week from today at the hands of the real COUGARS of BYU!! :hurah:

I do hope Dish picks up the Pac but it doesn't look good. Hell I would love it if they even picked up the ESPNU HD feed, oh and AMC, oh and ahhhh nevermind.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 10:12 PM

Don't worry. You will be able to watch your cougars first loss on ESPN in full HD one week from today at the hands of the real COUGARS of BYU!! :hurah:

I do hope Dish picks up the Pac but it doesn't look good. Hell I would love it if they even picked up the ESPNU HD feed, oh and AMC, oh and ahhhh nevermind.


Ha! :nono2:

No, it doesn't look good. Especially when I hear DirecTV is in discussions and that there will be an announcement soon. So far, nothing from Dish. I can only hope that Dish is waiting for DirecTV to get signed up and try for a similar deal. Wishful thinking, I suppose.

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 12:57 AM

I would have to hop back in time to see how the Big Ten came to be on Dish... I'm pretty sure I remember Dish having it at its launch... but I don't remember that there was a lot of talk before the date it went live...

Sometimes Dish does things quietly and something just shows up.

The PAC-12 should easily have as many fans that want it as does the Big Ten... so unless there is a bandwidth issue, or the price is through the roof, I would like to think Dish would get it.

Should be a similar deal too... part of your RSN package for PAC-12 DMAs as long as you are in AT120+ or higher... and in multi-sport for everyone else.

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 09:49 AM

Don't worry. You will be able to watch your cougars first loss on ESPN in full HD one week from today at the hands of the real COUGARS of BYU!! :hurah:


Could be---ya see, this is a building year. Of course, we've had a whole lot of building years in the last decade or so. ;)

But the Wazzu spirit is undaunted

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 01:45 PM

A sports commentator and radio host from Utah that apparently has been talking to PAC12 tweeted the following two things:

From: https://twitter.com/espn700bill

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Based on conversations I've had today, I'm expecting the #Pac12 Network and #DirecTV deal to roll out Monday barring a snag.

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@mikey_t19 I've been told that Dish and #Pac12 Network aren't talking.


So it looks like Dish customers are going to be screwed re: PAC12 and will need to make a call to DirecTV really, really fast in hopes for an install date before football starts on Thursday.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 09:26 PM

Could be---ya see, this is a building year. Of course, we've had a whole lot of building years in the last decade or so. ;)

But the Wazzu spirit is undaunted


Good hire in Leech(BYU alum and all) :D. I can see why WSU fans are getting excited. If they pull out a win in Provo that would be HUGE. It's not going to happen but it would be a good win.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 11:42 AM

Dish should have seen this coming, though, when they signed on for the Big10 Network. It is really going to stand out if they have Big Ten, and don't pick up Pac12...

Big Ten is a midwestern network ... and I suspect they made a good offer to DISH (especially as they are the only 24/7 HD RSN, plus alternate HD feeds).

To expect the same out of all the conference networks is expecting too much. But if PAC 12 makes a good offer DISH could carry them as well. It is the networks that think too highly of themselves that will find themselves not on DISH.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 11:50 AM

Big Ten is a midwestern network ... and I suspect they made a good offer to DISH (especially as they are the only 24/7 HD RSN, plus alternate HD feeds).

To expect the same out of all the conference networks is expecting too much. But if PAC 12 makes a good offer DISH could carry them as well. It is the networks that think too highly of themselves that will find themselves not on DISH.


Except that the word is from several sources that Dish isn't even talking with them. Ugh.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 12:13 PM

DISH is not in negotiations with a lot of channels. If those channels want carriage they can make an offer. There is no reason for a stream of meetings if the offer isn't close to what the other side wants.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 01:29 PM

DISH is not in negotiations with a lot of channels. If those channels want carriage they can make an offer. There is no reason for a stream of meetings if the offer isn't close to what the other side wants.


i bet the Pac-12 channel is co-owned by ESPN, hence why they aren't negotiating right now, and it's all due to the Disney lawsuit as Disney owns ESPN. it's the same reason the The Longhorn Network isn't on Dish.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 02:58 PM

Big Ten is a midwestern network ... and I suspect they made a good offer to DISH (especially as they are the only 24/7 HD RSN, plus alternate HD feeds).

To expect the same out of all the conference networks is expecting too much. But if PAC 12 makes a good offer DISH could carry them as well. It is the networks that think too highly of themselves that will find themselves not on DISH.


I hear you... it's just that Dish had to see the writing on the wall... that other conferences would want their own channel too... so jumping on with the Big Ten and then not getting the next conference will be a slap in the face to customers in those parts of the country.

I defend Dish on the price negotiations... but this is like the RSNs... if you get yours but your friend in the next state doesn't get his, he is going to complain... At least when other channels drop (national ones) they drop for everyone.

I don't want name-your-price by these sports networks by any means... but when Dish used to say "we don't have sports" that kind of worked and people went to DirecTV for sports... but you pick up the Big Ten, and then people in other parts of the country figure you'll pick their network up too... and when you don't, you risk setting off a firestorm from an entire cluster of states and not just a few local markets like when LiLs are negotiated.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 03:21 PM

So ... Midwesterners should not get Big 10 because someone else might not get their network? We might as well have DISH pull all the RSNs since YES and MSG are not carried.

DISH will carry the channels they can get a fair contract to carry. Perhaps when the contract was written with Big 10 DISH expected other RSNs to follow suit. There have been recent improvements in the number of HD RSN feeds available (24 channels for HD RSNs) which is close to the number needed to carry all core RSNs in HD 24x7 (additional channels would be needed for the alternates). But I suspect there is an issue with the RSNs wanting more $$$ for their 24/7 HD feed than DISH is paying for game only HD (and selected game HD) carriage.

RSNs always seem to want more $$$ ... even when their content is not improving.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 09:18 PM

So ... Midwesterners should not get Big 10 because someone else might not get their network? We might as well have DISH pull all the RSNs since YES and MSG are not carried.


Not what I'm saying at all.... but that is why the NY customers are mad at Dish for carrying most other RSNs but not theirs. IF Dish carried no RSNs, then NY wouldn't complain as much.

Similarly... Dish had to know that signing on for Big Ten was a signal to Pac-12, SEC, ACC, and whomever else that there was a market for their schools to have their own sports channel..

Obviously they have to negotiate a fair price... but Dish can't bury their head in the sand and pretend they didn't see this coming OR the complaints from Pac-12 fans who want to know why they can see Big Ten games but not Pac-12 games.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 01:45 AM

Obviously they have to negotiate a fair price... but Dish can't bury their head in the sand and pretend they didn't see this coming OR the complaints from Pac-12 fans who want to know why they can see Big Ten games but not Pac-12 games.

You make it sound like it is all DISH's fault! If AMC owned PAC-12 rights would you cut DISH a break? :D

Big Ten Network was added September 9th, 2007. Did you really expect DISH to know that PAC-12 would start their own network five years later?

I expect that there have been discussions over the past year with PAC-12. A seven channel network isn't the easiest to add ... especially when DISH already has obligations to carry other sports content.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 08:17 AM

I will say this about Dish and sports: they are more generous than most providers in our area when it comes to regional coverage. We are in the middle of nowhere, and we get Foxmw, which gives us KC and St. Louis coverage, Fox North, which gives us Minn coverage, and CSNCH, which give us Chicago coverage. Since we have fans of teams from all of those areas it's great. I'm a huge White Sox fan, so to live 8 hours away and still get them here is pretty awesome. By contrast, the local cable only gives you Fox North, and I'd have to check DirectTV but I doubt they are so generous.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 11:38 AM

Looks like there is a chance that we won't be with the Pac12 or the Big 10 Network...

http://thegazette.co...al-ends-aug-31/




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