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PAC 12 Network Added (was For fans of the PAC12, plz request PAC12 Network)


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#126 OFFLINE   Stewart Vernon

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:54 PM

That's progress of a sort... they have to start somewhere. It at least indicates they are talking and have some kind of link to test delivery of a feed.

IF that works and they make a contract... then I would hope to see an HD feed followed quickly by some alternates.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 08:45 AM

I posted this over at the Dish support foum, but may as well post it here, too ~

I'm curious if the SD testing actually has any meaning w/respect to the final product. Would not make a lot of sense to go through all the trouble of negotiation and adding just to carry in standard definition, IMO. I don't even bother with ESPNU (may as well not have it), given it is non-HD. I'm hoping an HD feed (even if it is just the national one) is the plan.

Of course, we would want regional channels, too (like what they do with Root/Fox regionals), but I guess one step at a time.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 04:12 PM

Currently all RSNs DISH carries are in SD. BTN is also carried in HD 24/7, but it is the only one. Every other RSN channel is only carried in HD when there is a game (and only selected games).

It would be nice to see a placemarker for a HD channel but they are easy to put up if a deal is reached.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 05:57 PM

Sa this earlier at wilner hotline page. Apparently it is no longer up:

https://mobile.twitt...1547397?photo=1

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:42 PM

Letter from Pac-12 to Dish customers:

http://pac-12.com/po...rfan/index.html
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I called Dish and requested the Pac-12 Network. The CSR put me on hold, then returned to say that Dish has a contract with Pac-12 Network, but that the games wouldn't be on this weekend. Next week we would have more details.

This is great news! But how accurate is the CSR's info?

Edited by WazzuCougs, 06 September 2012 - 09:02 PM.


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Posted 06 September 2012 - 08:58 PM

Letter from Pac-12 to Dish customers:

http://pac-12.com/po...rfan/index.html


wholly crap, this is getting ridiculous. All these providers come to the table and then walk.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 09:02 PM

I get tired of multi-million (billion) dollar companies making emotional pleas using their potential subscribers as leverage.

Work the deal ... add the channel or don't add the channel ... agree to be carried or don't agree to be carried. But STOP using viewers as pawns.

We shouldn't be hearing "leaks" out of the negotiations. :(

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 09:27 PM

I edited my post above because I called Dish and requested the network, then added what I was told by the CSR. What do you make of what I was told as far as it being accurate?

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 09:34 PM

If a deal were 100% done Pac-12 wouldn't be posting that it wasn't, would they (unless the facts changed after their web guy went home).

I really doubt a CSR has that information at this point. We've seen channels test and be added before our resident "DIRT" members admit that there is a deal. And DIRT knows more than most.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 11:08 PM

Heck, when I called the CSR was absolutely positive that the Pac-12 Network would be shown on ESPNU.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 11:30 PM

If a deal were 100% done Pac-12 wouldn't be posting that it wasn't, would they (unless the facts changed after their web guy went home).

I really doubt a CSR has that information at this point. We've seen channels test and be added before our resident "DIRT" members admit that there is a deal. And DIRT knows more than most.


I doubt a DIRT member would touch this thread with a 10-meter cattle prod. Too hot, too in flux, too hush hush.

Bet we find out something in the PM on Friday.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 11:53 PM

I get tired of multi-million (billion) dollar companies making emotional pleas using their potential subscribers as leverage.

Work the deal ... add the channel or don't add the channel ... agree to be carried or don't agree to be carried. But STOP using viewers as pawns.

We shouldn't be hearing "leaks" out of the negotiations. :(


100% agreement here. BOTH sides use the subscribers/viewers as leverage and it has gotten old. I too blame both sides for talking about negotiations in public while they are ongoing.

It's bad enough after negotiations fall through when the mudslinging starts... but while negotiating they really should both be quiet.

In this particular case, I could be wrong, but I think the only noise is coming from PAC-12... I haven't see Dish saying anything... but DirecTV and PAC-12 have been going at each other over it. That stuff just makes both sides look bad.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 02:17 AM

I forgot to post this link yesterday...

http://www.pacificta...12-network-dish

It contains a nice shout-out link to DBSTalk's Uplink thread for spying the uplink of the SD PAC-12 channel the other day.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:08 AM

SD? Not for this guy. I spend a couple grand for a HD TV, lease a HD DVR, and now I'm going to watch a football game in SD? I won't watch anything in SD. Haven't for years and won't start now. Let's see. We have 7" and 10" tablets in HD from $199. We have Smart phones that can download just about anything and watch TV shows and movies. We can stream just about anything from the internet direct to our TV's. And we're going to be fed a SD signal for college football games? Is this 1992 or 2012? HD technology has been around for years now (to the point that Dish advertises HD "Free for Life"). Giving me SD only for anything is like offering me a new car with a carb instead of fuel injection, or a new release DVD in full screen only, or dial up internet. Hey, I'm 65 years old and well remember the good old days, and I'm not anxious to go back to those days. SD in 2012? Thanks but no thanks.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:49 PM

100% agreement here. BOTH sides use the subscribers/viewers as leverage and it has gotten old. I too blame both sides for talking about negotiations in public while they are ongoing.

It's bad enough after negotiations fall through when the mudslinging starts... but while negotiating they really should both be quiet.


Stewart, we have gone after each other in posts on here, but we are on the same page here.

When the guy who owned a lot of networks affiliates in our area threatened to pull our CBS and Fox channels (in NFL season) he ran the standard banners on the channels. "Dish is threatening to black out your channels" blah blah blah. To be fair, Dish then started running their own banners and ads with a website link for their side of things, so it was both sides doing the mudslinging. I did a LOT of homework and was a little torn on who was "right" and who was "wrong" - BUT the affiliate owner made it easy for me. He posted phone #s to call, and I discovered at least one of these was the cell phone of a Dish rep. I had talked to her about this, and found out she had to disconnect her phone because of this.

At this point, I took a pad of paper and spent time watching the local Fox and CBS channels and made note of every local advertiser. I then wrote both paper mails and emails to the affiliate owner and copied the advertisers (and did the homework to figure out who to copy at the advertisers, e.g. the owner of the car dealership advertising, the owner of the vet clinic, etc.) and expressed my disgust at the affiliate owner holding me, as a viewer, hostage in his attempt to get more money from Dish and his way of doing that including posting cell phone numbers that were not "official" Dish company phone numbers. I stated that our family, as a result, had already changed our viewing of the local news shows from the CBS affiliate that we watched at 6 and 10 to the ABC affiliate, etc. etc.

I actually got emails back from about 2/3rds of the advertisers telling me they were not aware of his tactics and that they shared my feelings. When I saw that, I put together a small campaign in our area to mail the owner and the advertisers. Several of the advertisers told me they were pulling some of their ads, and even more dropped their advertising on the affiliates news programs (I assume it is an easier decision to drop your advertising on those than it is to pull your ads from Glee or the weekly NFL game.)

FWIW.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 08:05 PM

That's actually the right place to go to make a difference anyway, at least with commercial TV channels... the channel and the carrier (in this case PAC-12 and Dish) will each point you at the other one and you get nowhere...

But if you get the attention of the advertisers, that's where differences can be made.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:24 AM

Yippee! Pac-12 announced a deal just after midnight pacific time:

http://blog.pac-12.c...-12-reach-deal/

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:30 AM

The Press Release:


DISH fans score with Pac-12 Networks

Updated September 8, 2012

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. and SAN FRANCISCO, Calif. – DISH and Pac-12 Networks announced today that they have entered into a multi-year agreement making DISH the only satellite provider to offer the sports programming that includes conference football and basketball games. DISH customers will have access to Pac-12 football games starting this weekend.

The agreement allows DISH subscribers to enjoy the hundreds of live sporting events, including 35 football games, more than 140 men’s basketball games, and hundreds of national championship caliber Olympic sporting events this season on Pac-12 Networks. Included in the lineup of football games will be multiple appearances by No. 2 USC, No. 4 Oregon and No. 25 Stanford.

The new agreement also provides DISH with exclusive category sponsorship for Pac-12 athletic programs. The sponsorship includes stadium signage and logo rights with each of the member schools including:

• University of Arizona
• Arizona State University
• University of California, Berkeley
• University of Colorado, Boulder
• University of Oregon
• Oregon State University
• Stanford University
• University of California, Los Angeles
• University of Southern California
• University of Utah
• University of Washington
• Washington State University

“DISH is delighted to offer our customers more than 800 sporting events available on Pac-12 Networks each year, while giving them a great value,” said Dave Shull, DISH senior vice president of programming. “This is a great partnership with the Pac-12 that goes beyond the TV screen to the campuses in the form of an exclusive sponsorship to support the programs and the students.”

DISH is offering Pac-12 Networks as a free preview for a limited time to all DISH customers. Games are available starting this weekend, including the following:

• Sacramento State at Colorado, 12:00 p.m. PT, Ch. 445
• Eastern Washington at Washington State, 12:00 p.m. PT, Ch. 446
• Southern Utah at California, 12:00 p.m. PT, Ch. 413
• Fresno State at No. 4 Oregon, 3:30 p.m. PT, Ch. 413
• No. 18 Oklahoma State at Arizona, 7:30 p.m. PT, Ch. 413
• Duke at No. 25 Stanford, 7:30 p.m. PT, Ch. 445

“DISH wanted to deliver Pac-12 Networks to its customers and our fans will benefit,” said Gary Stevenson, President of Pac-12 Enterprises. “DISH’s line-up and ability to offer Pac-12 fans nationwide access to an unprecedented number of live quality sporting events make this a huge day for DISH customers and Pac-12 fans.”

DISH customers will have login access to stream all Pac-12 Networks content and additional sporting events through Pac-12 Now in the coming weeks.

“As a leader in TV Everywhere technology and providing customers the ability to watch live programming on the go, DISH is a great partner for Pac-12 Networks as we build out our digital and TV Everywhere capabilities that ensure fans can access our content when and wherever they choose,” concluded Stevenson.

Pac-12 Networks is available to all DISH customers as a free preview for a limited time. It is included in America’s Top 120+ package and above for customers in Pac-12 territory (which includes the six states with Pac-12 schools) and available nationwide in the Multi-Sport Pack for $9 per month.

About DISH
DISH Network Corporation (NASDAQ: DISH), through its subsidiary DISH Network L.L.C., provides approximately 14.061 million satellite TV customers, as of June 30, 2012, with the highest quality programming and technology with the most choices at the best value, including HD Free for Life. Subscribers enjoy the largest high definition line-up with more than 200 national HD channels, the most international channels, and award-winning HD and DVR technology. DISH Network Corporation’s subsidiary, Blockbuster L.L.C., delivers family entertainment to millions of customers around the world. DISH Network Corporation is a Fortune 200 company. Visit www.dish.com.

About Pac-12 Enterprises
Pac-12 Enterprises is the new content and multiplatform media company for the Pac-12 Conference, a leader in collegiate athletics that includes 12 of the most prestigious universities in the world and a nation-leading 451 NCAA titles across 27 sports. Headquartered in San Francisco, Pac-12 Enterprises was created in 2011 to develop and launch the Pac-12 Networks and Pac-12 Digital, and to control the distribution of the Pac-12 intellectual property rights in sports and other Conference initiatives. The Pac-12 Networks are full-time native HD linear networks, available to video programming operators, dedicated solely to the Pac-12. They consist of a national network and six regional feeds that will televise hundreds of live sporting events annually and provide 24/7 access to Pac-12 teams and universities. Pac-12 Digital encompasses the digital network, mobile, the university websites, social media and innovative digital initiatives across the company. Visit www.pac-12.com.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:36 AM

Unfortunately I still can't login to Pac 12 online and channel 413 hasn't been put up yet. So I'm not sure we're going to get this in time for the games today.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:39 AM

Methinks there will be an uplink coming soon to add the new channels (413, 445, 446).

Curious that the press release didn't mention HD... so we still have to cross our fingers on that one.

But, wow that was quick... I literally just got the email, checked my TV to see if the channels were up yet... then came here and James had already posted the press release and news headline.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:40 AM

The first game is in eight hours ... Uplink Activity will be posted as it occurs.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:47 AM

Methinks there will be an uplink coming soon to add the new channels (413, 445, 446).

413 remains in test mode ... 445 and 446 are available. They are regular Sports Alternative channels (mapped to 412-33 and 412-34 on the Hopper/Joey).
The EPG is not updated for the games but it appears that the contract has barely been signed - so give DISH time. At least the channel is known to be coming.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:51 AM

So will there be any way for us to watch the Sacramento State-Colorado, Eastern Washington-Washington State, and Duke-Stanford games on Dish tomorrow?

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:57 AM

So will there be any way for us to watch the Sacramento State-Colorado, Eastern Washington-Washington State, and Duke-Stanford games on Dish tomorrow?

See the press release ... and be patient. :rolleyes:

BTW: DISH now has the release on their site: http://investor.echo...eleaseID=705725

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 02:17 AM

What a huge win for Dish Network over DirecTV. Great job!!!




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