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DIRECTV First Look: C31-700 Home Media Center RVU Client


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#261 OFFLINE   veryoldschool

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 10:05 PM

Good point. It does actually make me wonder why they don't make it so can power it via USB. Could be that tvs may not send power to USB when off, so you'd have to wait for it to boot up every time?

Might also be because it needs 12 volts. ;) [haven't checked to know]
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Posted 06 September 2012 - 10:15 PM

Might also be because it needs 12 volts. ;) [haven't checked to know]


I am surprised they can't make it use less. Maybe "someday"?

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 10:33 PM

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:06 AM

Anyone in Houston have this yet, I would love to get rid of this hr22 I am using as a whole home viewer with my hr34, I don't record anything on it.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:51 AM

Anyone in Houston have this yet, I would love to get rid of this hr22 I am using as a whole home viewer with my hr34, I don't record anything on it.

IIRC I didn't see Houston mentioned as an early test market, but the rumor is that things will open up in October so just hand in there.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 10:10 AM

The power consumption of an external DECA is irrelevant to the power consumption of an internal MoCA switch chip, which is what the C31 has.

It isn't irrelevant as it is indicative of how much power is required to convert MoCA (RF) to digital which is uniquely the DECA adapter does. The DECA adapter takes the relatively small extra step of converting to current loop that requires considerably less than 1 watt.

If we use an AppleTV as a benchmark (with similar functionality and Bluetooth remote control), it consumes 2.47 watts (2.05 with 83% power supply efficiency while streaming an HD movie) and the C31 consumes 5.7 watts, we deduce that the MoCA part of the equation must be over 3 watts. This is consistent with the power consumption of the DECA adapter and probably why DIRECTV doesn't foresee being able to get below 5 watts on the RVU client.

It is notable that the AppleTV provides either Wi-fi or 100baseTX within its 2.47 watt total.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:54 AM

Might also be because it needs 12 volts. ;) [haven't checked to know]

The input power is specified the same as the output of the EPS10: 12VDC@1.5 amps.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:23 PM

I am surprised they can't make it use less. Maybe "someday"?

DIRECTV's future power consumption projections remain at 5 watts so the minimum current required at 5VDC will remain >=1 amp.

Because the typical maximum USB current (if any) is 500ma (and you'll never justify to someone that the USB port on their Xbox/PS3/AVR/USB hub is any different than the one on their TV), USB should not be used to provide power for a DIRECTV RVU client box.

That the C31 includes a USB port makes it obvious that it can't draw from USB.

Edited by harsh, 07 September 2012 - 12:34 PM.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:06 PM

The input power is specified the same as the output of the EPS10: 12VDC@1.5 amps.

Max ratings mean little.
The C31 max wattage is listed as 10.5
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:21 PM

If you don't want WHDVR service anymore for any of your STB's then yes you could drop it, AFAIK the HR34/C31 don't need it.

It would appear that the current ELA doesn't discriminate on whether or not you have the capability of utilizing WHDS.

If you selected an HD DVR, you agree to pay a monthly Advanced Receiver fee ($20/mo.).

The assumption is that if you have only a lone HR2x or HR3x, you must pay the $20 fee.

Based on the most sophisticated box in your setup:
Advanced Receiver fee (one or more HD DVRs)  $20
Advanced Receiver - HD fee (H2x)             $10
Advanced Receiver - DVR fee (SD DVR)          $8
Advanced Receiver - TiVo fee (THR-22)         $5 (in addition to the $20 fee)
The DIRECTV sign-up application confirms this fee schedule. If you select only an HR34, it will show the $20 fee (less a $10 discount for 24 months).

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:31 PM

Max ratings mean little.

They mean a whole lot if they get down below 2.5 watts (which may be possible without DECA).

The C31 max wattage is listed as 10.5

As long as the DIRECTV RVU client box max current rating is greater than 2.5 watts, it will be too much for USB to power.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:49 PM

The assumption is that if you have only a lone HR2x or HR3x, you must pay the $20 fee.

Based on the most sophisticated box in your setup:

Advanced Receiver fee (one or more HD DVRs)  $20
Advanced Receiver - HD fee (H2x)             $10
Advanced Receiver - DVR fee (SD DVR)          $8
Advanced Receiver - TiVo fee (THR-22)         $5 (in addition to the $20 fee)
If you select only an HR34, it will show the $20 fee (less a $10 discount for 24 months).

The ARS fee includes the HD fee [$10], the DVR fee [$8], & the MRV fee [$3].
$20 is a one dollar savings over having them separate line items.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:57 PM

It would appear that the current ELA doesn't discriminate on whether or not you have the capability of utilizing WHDS.The assumption is that if you have only a lone HR2x or HR3x, you must pay the $20 fee.

Based on the most sophisticated box in your setup:

Advanced Receiver fee (one or more HD DVRs)  $20
Advanced Receiver - HD fee (H2x)             $10
Advanced Receiver - DVR fee (SD DVR)          $8
Advanced Receiver - TiVo fee (THR-22)         $5 (in addition to the $20 fee)
The DIRECTV sign-up application confirms this fee schedule. If you select only an HR34, it will show the $20 fee (less a $10 discount for 24 months).


Oh? Is that how it's broken down on your statement?

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 02:25 PM

The ARS fee includes the HD fee [$10], the DVR fee [$8], & the MRV fee [$3].
$20 is a one dollar savings over having them separate line items.

The point is that using an HR34 with RVU clients (whether the C31 or otherwise) doesn't save on monthly fees versus a WHDS system as was suggested might be the case.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 02:37 PM

The point is that using an HR34 with RVU clients (whether the C31 or otherwise) doesn't save on monthly fees versus a WHDS system as was suggested might be the case.


No one who actually KNOWS suggested that was the case at all.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 02:40 PM

Oh? Is that how it's broken down on your statement?

The table was meant to summarize the information contained in the ELA. Quite obviously, a customer will only be billed for one of the fees per account (unless you're a TiVotee and are blessed with paying two separate fees).

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 02:46 PM

The point is that using an HR34 with RVU clients (whether the C31 or otherwise) doesn't save on monthly fees versus a WHDS system as was suggested might be the case.

That isn't really known yet.
What you posted are for new customers, and existing customers "may" be able to drop the MRV if they don't have any HR2x "along with" a HR34.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:01 PM

Not a step backwards from an H-series, but when it's priced per month the same as an HR, it really isn't worth the potential $3/mo savings from turning off WH.

And if I read this thread correctly, my cost to DirecTV may actually drop by $3. This is the Whole Home fee I currently pay, or does this fee still exist?

If you don't want WHDVR service anymore for any of your STB's then yes you could drop it, AFAIK the HR34/C31 don't need it.

That isn't really known yet.
What you posted are for new customers, and existing customers "may" be able to drop the MRV if they don't have any HR2x "along with" a HR34.

No one who actually KNOWS suggested that was the case at all.

Apparently some posters got the impression that:

1. There may be a reduction of $3 in fees from dropping WHDS.
2. No one actually KNOWS yet.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:21 PM

Apparently some posters got the impression that:

1. There may be a reduction of $3 in fees from dropping WHDS.
2. No one actually KNOWS yet.

As they should have gotten.
I'll "know for sure", when I get to the point of dropping my last HR2x.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:31 PM

?......

That the C31 includes a USB port makes it obvious that it can't draw from USB.


The design decisions of a c31 having a USB port has Absolutly no factor on a device designed to run off of USB power. Actually that's true about everything in your argument.

The statement I made was in regards to why they didn't design it to run off USB power in the first place. Your assuming they can't design it in a way that could allow it to run on USB based soley on the current design of the c31 and an external deca, that again as Stuart says, has no bearing here, because there is no internal deca in a c31, nor does there need to be. I am not that narrow in my thinking...




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