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BTN & DISH Agree to Deal (was BTN, Dish Network negotiation at stalemate)


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#51 OFFLINE   Geordon

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 06:01 PM

I dropped cable for Dish HD the weekend before BTN started covering Michigan State football in HD. I pay for the local sports package, which only contains two channels - Fox Sports Detroit (woop-de-do) and BTN. Without BTN, I will drop my programming level. What sucks about losing BTN, is that, as posted above, games which used to be broadcast by the local stations are now on BTN (especially basketball). Now, I will get nothing.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 06:10 PM

Here we go again.....


I think I made the right move by switching to DirecTV. DISH has to learn that their lawsuits, and programming disputes, have consequences. I may not be alone with the latest salvos of the AMC channels and now BTN.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:30 PM

I think I made the right move by switching to DirecTV. DISH has to learn that their lawsuits, and programming disputes, have consequences. I may not be alone with the latest salvos of the AMC channels and now BTN.


This is purely anecdotal and not scientific in any way, so take it FWIW.

I've had satellite TV since 1995, and I am a writer in the computer and electronics world. As a result I have had a lot of friends over the years ask my help in picking a TV provider. A lot. Also FWIW, this included people in all of the places I've lived in the U.S., including Houston, Mid-Michigan, KC, Chicago, Akron/Cleveland, NC, and middle of nowhere IA. Among others.

It almost always goes the same way (with some changes, as technology has changed, e.g. HD large screen TVs.) I put together the options (cable, DirectTV, Dish, and the occasional new technology. The we look at channel lineups and compare packages, including pricing. We'll also compare things like DVRs, etc. but it usually comes down to the channel line-up and pricing.

Almost always, people immediately check to see if some specific channels are available. That always seems to come before looking at pricing. If they are looking for some favorite channel, and it is not available on one of the providers, they'll pick another even if it is more expensive. If both carry the channels they care about, they'll go with the cheaper (usually.) Now, with HD, I've seen people pick one over the other due to a favorite channel not being in HD on a provider. I've commonly seen people pick a provider and pay $10-15 more per month for one dumb channel. Dumb to me, but important to their viewing habits.

A month or so ago, a guy and his family asked for help, the local cable company switched RSNs and he could no longer see all the Cardinals (MLB) regular season games here in NW Iowa. He pays significantly more but he made the switch (to Dish) within a week. I was helping someone else last week, and they were all set to go with Dish, and then they asked if the AMC deal had been resolved, I told them no, and they immediately changed to go with DirectTV. I've seen people really hung up on making sure they got the new NBC sports channel in HD, just because of the Stanley Cup playoffs on there. I've seen people take a higher cost package just because some home/garden channel was only available in HD in that package.

I guess my point is that a lot of people, when choosing a provider, focus on the channels first and then the cost. I've never, thinking back, had someone tell me "Yeah, we don't mind giving up watching these shows that we regularly watch for a $7 or $10 lower cost" when making their choice.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:36 PM

I dropped cable for Dish HD the weekend before BTN started covering Michigan State football in HD. I pay for the local sports package, which only contains two channels - Fox Sports Detroit (woop-de-do) and BTN. Without BTN, I will drop my programming level. What sucks about losing BTN, is that, as posted above, games which used to be broadcast by the local stations are now on BTN (especially basketball). Now, I will get nothing.


What local sports package do you pay extra for that has FSD and BTN on Dish? You mean TOP120+ rather than Top120?

You can blame this all on the greed of sports. And I do mean all of it. This has to come to an end, we can't keep paying for every new sports channel at the prices they ask. I

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:37 PM

All the hoppin' bells and whistles on the box won't mean a thing if you can't watch what you want to watch. DISH's slogan ought to be: "Let's watch TV ... except for ..."
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:57 PM

What local sports package do you pay extra for that has FSD and BTN on Dish? You mean TOP120+ rather than Top120?

You can blame this all on the greed of sports. And I do mean all of it. This has to come to an end, we can't keep paying for every new sports channel at the prices they ask. I


I think sports channels are ideally suited for a la carte' pricing. Something like the BTN is a BIG deal in part of the country, and other parts wouldn't pay an extra nickel. Ask any SEC fan how much they would pay to get an SEC package and they'll pay a ton and be happy to pay. Same for other conferences. But an SEC fan shouldn't have to pay for a Big Ten network, and vice versa.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:59 PM

And to reinforce my point about people picking based on a channel, from another thread here:

Only thing stopping me from switching is Direct doesn't have DIY in HD. Thats the channel my gf and I watch the most together. Other than DIY, Direct has more channels I want in HD (ESPNNews and ESPNU). If Direct gets DIY in HD, bye bye Dish!



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Posted 07 September 2012 - 10:45 PM

And to reinforce my point about people picking based on a channel, from another thread here:


Hahahahaha! Are you saying there is minimal demand for watching someone change out a water heater in HD? How could you imply such a thing? :D

Heres hoping we see the games on Big 10 tomorrow . . . .

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 07:59 AM

Thank goodness I can use my folks Directv login and I can watch the games thru BTN2go on the Iphone.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 08:02 AM

I dropped cable for Dish HD the weekend before BTN started covering Michigan State football in HD. I pay for the local sports package, which only contains two channels - Fox Sports Detroit (woop-de-do) and BTN. Without BTN, I will drop my programming level. What sucks about losing BTN, is that, as posted above, games which used to be broadcast by the local stations are now on BTN (especially basketball). Now, I will get nothing.


Yeah BTN pissed me off when I could no longer watch Wisconsin Women's b-ball which USED to be on our local PBS. A seperate 14.95 fee per month to see those games was bull thru BTN digital. I already have BTN thru Dish and those scammers can't include those games online at no extra charge?

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 08:03 AM

What time is the BTN going dark today?

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 08:07 AM

What time is the BTN going dark today?




Should have been Dark at Midnight so IDK ....Per BTN facebook they are going to have an ANNOUCEMENT at 10 am central ...I see BTN has taken down the anti-dish" iwantmbigten.com" website

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 08:15 AM

Suppose Charlie the fox closed the PAC-12 deal and used it for leverage with the BTN?

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 08:33 AM

Suppose Charlie the fox closed the PAC-12 deal and used it for leverage with the BTN?


Certainly shows BTN dish can MAKE the deal ... I think with the crawler gone off BTNS station and the Negative remarks removed from BTNS page we may see a positive outcome

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 08:40 AM

Feed Just went DARK.... uhoh

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 08:44 AM

Feed Just went DARK.... uhoh


Yooop. Notice page is up.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:09 AM

Certainly shows BTN dish can MAKE the deal ... I think with the crawler gone off BTNS station and the Negative remarks removed from BTNS page we may see a positive outcome


Or, Charlie took his BTN marbles and made an exclusivity deal with the PAC-12, leaving BTN high and dry.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:16 AM

EPG Notice on channel 439 (438-01 Hopper/Joey) ...

We continue to work with Fox to try to reach a deal on the Big 10 Network.
Visit FootballOnDISH.com for game info.


From the Football On DISH site ...

COLLEGE FOOTBALL ON DISH.

DISH continues to work towards an agreement with Fox, the owners of Big Ten Network. We are hopeful we will reach a deal to restore this programming. Thank you for your patience as we work towards an agreement.

While The Big Ten Network is unavailable, use our Big Ten Schedule and GameFinder tool for information on where you can watch many of the Big Ten games on your local stations and other sports channels.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:18 AM

Or, Charlie took his BTN marbles and made an exclusivity deal with the PAC-12, leaving BTN high and dry.


Me thinks your correct..... nope ITS BACK ON!

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:22 AM

I don't like the Big Ten Network Web site where they list "all the history of Dish dropping channels"...

The thing they are missing... and hoping nobody questions... is that Dish rarely drops channels.

Usually the channels are pulled by the channel provider when no contract is issued.

I honestly can only think of Voom as an example of Dish pulling the plug rather than the provider cutting the feed.

They list the Disney HD feeds we lost a couple of years ago... but the thing is... Dish didn't drop those feeds at all! Dish believed they had the right to carry them for free... and Disney said "no" and pulled the feeds from Dish after Dish refused to pay... and now we have that lawsuit.

AMC similarly pulled their feed when Dish didn't agree to the new proposal...

See the pattern?

Regardless of who you support... the simple facts are that IF there is no contract, Dish can't carry the feeds... so Dish isn't "dropping" these channels...

Dish would happily carry the channels for free OR under the old contract while the negotiations go... but at some point the channels decide to pull their feed and hold the viewers hostage as a negotiation tactic to pressure Dish... and rarely does that work with Dish.

So... when Big Ten went dark... it wasn't Dish dropping them... it was Big Ten dropping Dish.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:26 AM

Came back on 4 mins ago...

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:30 AM

The alternates are back as well.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:31 AM

Came back on 4 mins ago...

Yep ... and the EPG I quoted above is back to normal.

A last minute catch in the endzone for a game winning touchdown?

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:33 AM

The alternates are back as well.


dont really make a lot of since to take it down long enough for Dish's facebook page to be bombarded with post Only to bring it back up :confused: glad to see it back but.... DAMAGE CONTROL NEXT TIME PEOPLE...

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:39 AM

Yep ... and the EPG I quoted above is back to normal.

A last minute catch in the endzone for a game winning touchdown?




More like an Extra Point .....

according to Dish's Facebook " we have reached a short term agreement with BTN so that you are able to watch your college football! We hope to reach a long term agreement soon! -Cheri T. "

tHEY GONNA short Term the whole season ..lol




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