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#26 OFFLINE   powerhouse1960

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:55 AM

I want to make sure I understanding this right.
If I had a 34 and a 24 and a 31 the 24 can see the recordings on the 34.
the 34 can see the recording on the 24.
the 31 can only see the 34 now but a software update that is coming will make it see the 24 and 34.
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#27 OFFLINE   Smuuth

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:22 AM

I want to make sure I understanding this right.
If I had a 34 and a 24 and a 31 the 24 can see the recordings on the 34.
the 34 can see the recording on the 24.
the 31 can only see the 34 now but a software update that is coming will make it see the 24 and 34.
Thanks


That is correct.
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 12:05 PM

I want to make sure I understanding this right.
If I had a 34 and a 24 and a 31 the 24 can see the recordings on the 34.
the 34 can see the recording on the 24.
the 31 can only see the 34 now but a software update that is coming will make it see the 24 and 34.
Thanks


That is correct.


Will a similar software update make the Samsung TV RVUs able to see both the 34 & 24 also?

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 12:14 PM

Will a similar software update make the Samsung TV RVUs able to see both the 34 & 24 also?


I don't know as I have no experience with the Samsung TVs. Perhaps someone who owns one could answer your question.
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 12:31 PM

Can the samsung RVU tv work in whole home setup without the HR34


Your question is kinda of loaded LOL Can the TV be used with out HR34 Yes its like any other Flat Screen. It just has the RVU tuner in it for Home Network TV which only Directv has but other companies have signed up to do the same so down the road who ever else uses the RVU technology u will be able to do so with that TV.

http://www.rvuallian...rg/the_alliance

Think of the HR34 has a home Modem/Router and the RVU is a computer wanting to log on. Once the MAC address is asigned Directv will activate the HR34 to send to it, of coarse for a monthly fee just like paying for the internet every month.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:26 PM

Not sure the fact that RVUs/C31s can't access playlists on a DVR other than the HR34 is as big an issue as some may think? Given the HR34 has five tuners, one would have to be recording an incredible amount of content, with huge numbers of conflicts, for it ever to become an issue. I have this setup exactly, with 3 RVUs. You simply have to be disciplined in doing all recorded TV on the HR34, then it's available to all TVs, incl RVUs, at all times.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:35 PM

Not sure the fact that RVUs/C31s can't access playlists on a DVR other than the HR34 is as big an issue as some may think?


We've been told the RVU clients will be able to view content recorded on other HR2X's that are on the WHDVR network with the HR34.

See post My Setup for configuration info.


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Posted 17 October 2012 - 08:12 AM

So what's the story with RVU capability for Samsung "ES" series Smart TVs? They keep saying "soon" but they have been saying that for months, and now the 8000 ES models aren't even the latest. They now have the 9000 series out, also "promising" RVU capability but not yet delivering. This is an embarrassment for Samsung, the RVU Alliance, and DirecTV. Anyone know where the problem lies, Samsung, the RVU Alliance, or both?
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 09:34 AM

I don't know where the problem lies, but I have asked the same questions, at a high level, and I am told over and over again that the certification is coming.

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say the issue is making sure the 2012 TVs perform at a level comparable to the Genie Client.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:53 PM

I just installed a new Samsung UN65ES8000. It was awesome to see RVU working from the start and not needing to order a new DirecTV receiver. It works great when paired to the HR34 but requires a hard-wired ethernet connection to the network. This seems strange given that the ethernet port is only 10/100. The TV has built in 802.11n wireless and it can beat those speeds.

Note on activation: be patient with DirecTV staff. The CSR I talked to had never activated a RVU before. Go to network status and have the MAC address handy when you call.

As was stated in other posts, RVU clients are limited to the HR34 recordings even though whole-home recordings are visible from the TV connected to the HR34 directly. I have a C31 in another room and it works identically to the Samsung RVU client. However, Samsung RVU DOES NOT SUPPORT 3D! A bit of a bummer. The C31 does support 3D.

The Samsung remote is not a full featured DirecTV remote so I am looking for other options. For this reason and the lack of 3D I may abandon the Samsung RVU client in favor of another C31, or just go back to a HR24 or another HR34. Plus not being able to run video through my audio receiver is annoying due to the loss of on-screen menus/volume display from my Denon.

Another annoyance is the fact that when using the RVU client built into the Samsung you access it by way of TV input. I have always liked using the TV basically as a display and never touching the volume or inputs. Now you're forced to interact with the TV. Wives will not like that. This (almost) makes me want to use the TV as the source hub. But who does that?

Edited by cubuff, 17 October 2012 - 04:16 PM.
Use Return Audio Channel on HDMI cable instead of separate TOSLINK.


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Posted 17 October 2012 - 06:13 PM

cubuff,

What software version is your es8000 running? Samsung released updates for all of the 2012 smart tvs on Monday the 15th, but the release notes do not mention RVU. (In particular, Samsung released v. 1022.2 for the EH5300 and the ES 6100-7100 and v. 1040.8 for the ES7500-8000). Your post is the only suggestion that RVU has been enabled for any 2012 smart tv.

Regarding your lack of volume display, if you turn on HDMI-Control (Anynet on the samsung) on the TV and your Denon, you should be able to control volume of the Denon receiver via the TV remote and have the TVs on-screen display for volume (at least it works that way on my Sony TV + Denon main setup with HDMI control on).

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 06:40 AM

Interesting, the release notes for the latest firmware update for the ES8000 models says nothing about RVU....but it has been added! How is it possible that a major function like RVU gets added with a firmware update and that fact is not included in the release notes??? Oh well, at least it is there. Will test later this week or over the weekend.
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Posted 18 October 2012 - 06:42 AM

Quick question for anyone using RVU on a Samsung TV. Does everything come over the Ethernet connection or do I need a coax sat feed going to the TV?
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Posted 18 October 2012 - 07:33 AM

The Samsung remote is not a full featured DirecTV remote so I am looking for other options.


Can you use a DirecTV remote with the RVU TVs? I am actually a big fan of the RC64R remotes (and their variants, plus my wife hates change)
So do you have to use the Samsung remote or can you use the "old fashioned" remotes?

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 08:24 AM

cubuff,

What software version is your es8000 running? Samsung released updates for all of the 2012 smart tvs on Monday the 15th, but the release notes do not mention RVU. (In particular, Samsung released v. 1022.2 for the EH5300 and the ES 6100-7100 and v. 1040.8 for the ES7500-8000). Your post is the only suggestion that RVU has been enabled for any 2012 smart tv.

Regarding your lack of volume display, if you turn on HDMI-Control (Anynet on the samsung) on the TV and your Denon, you should be able to control volume of the Denon receiver via the TV remote and have the TVs on-screen display for volume (at least it works that way on my Sony TV + Denon main setup with HDMI control on).


I'll have to verify the software version. The TV was delivered on Tuesday (October 16th) and as soon as it powered up it started downloading updated firmware. Maybe I can get some screen shots up for you tonight.

Thanks for the HDMI-C suggestion. The return audio channel and receiver control work as you stated with Samsung Anynet + Denon 3313CI. This RVU thing is definitely more workable with that setup.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 08:32 AM

Quick question for anyone using RVU on a Samsung TV. Does everything come over the Ethernet connection or do I need a coax sat feed going to the TV?


For the Samsung TV with RVU, all you need is a hard-wired Ethernet connection and a DirecTV HR34 on the same network.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 08:48 AM

Can you use a DirecTV remote with the RVU TVs? I am actually a big fan of the RC64R remotes (and their variants, plus my wife hates change)
So do you have to use the Samsung remote or can you use the "old fashioned" remotes?

Thanks
Juanus


The Samsung doesn't see any of my directv remotes so right now I am stuck with the TV remote. Hopefully there are IR codes available for more functionality or from one of the universal remotes like the Harmony. This Samsung remote is for the birds. Why would you dedicate a button to something called "Family Story"? Ugh...

I did read somewhere that there is a remote from directv called the RC70 that will work. Haven't been able to get my hands on one, yet...

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 09:15 AM

In case anyone cares, DirecTV charges $6.00/mo for the RVU functionality built into the Samsung or for the C31. I don't know how I feel about that since the HR34 is doing all the heavy lifting. It seems like paying $8.00/mo for the HR34 + $3.00 for Whole-Home DVR should be enough. Oh well, fees, fees, fees.

Here is how DirecTV sees the Samsung TV and the C31 from their website:

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 09:24 AM

No joy on my EH53000. My HR34 did not pop up on the source menu of my EH5300 with the latest firmware.

Since there was no release note or announcement for the es8000 firmware,I wonder if someone at Samsung forgot to comment out #define RVU when they built that firmware release.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 11:46 AM

...Samsung RVU DOES NOT SUPPORT 3D! ...


Well that makes the RVU a non-starter for me. Why in the world would it not support 3D? That is just crazy. Guess I'll just wait on trying the RVU until it is actually useful. In order to be useful, for me at least, it needs to be able to see and playback all recordings on all my newtworked DVR's not just the HR34, and needs to support 3D playback.
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Posted 18 October 2012 - 11:48 AM

Well that makes the RVU a non-starter for me. Why in the world would it not support 3D? That is just crazy. Guess I'll just wait on trying the RVU until it is actually useful. In order to be useful, for me at least, it needs to be able to see and playback all recordings on all my newtworked DVR's not just the HR34, and needs to support 3D playback.


Just to be clear, the DIRECTV C31 RVU clients DO support 3D, looks like Samsung's RVU client in their TV's don't.

See post My Setup for configuration info.


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Posted 18 October 2012 - 04:40 PM

Just to be clear, the DIRECTV C31 RVU clients DO support 3D, looks like Samsung's RVU client in their TV's don't.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 09:54 PM

Pictures of RVU operating on a Samsung UN65ES8000F:

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 07:56 AM

Question for those using the Samsung 8000 series RVU client (not the C31). Since you need to use the TV remote, how do you bring up the guide? I don't see a guide button on the TV remote.
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 09:52 AM

On the assumption that it's the same as the 2011 D series RVUs, guide is on the "CH LIST" button.




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