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#26 OFFLINE   Rich

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 03:35 PM

I can see that....but some H21 and HR21 units here still worked great, so they are nice "spares" if/when needed.


I've got four spares active on my account... :lol:

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 03:37 PM

No one will ever know what, if anything, DIRECTV® said to the departed roomie.

The buyer will be faced with a conundrum if he gets it and tries to activate it and then is told it's DIRECTV's property. At the same time, everything has been disclosed by the seller.

A prudent buyer would check the serial numbers first.


Can't check the serial numbers, have to check the RID numbers. I asked about that last week when I was checking RID numbers trolling for a bargain.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 03:43 PM

Can't check the serial numbers, have to check the RID numbers. I asked about that last week when I was checking RID numbers trolling for a bargain.

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So, DIRECTV® can't x-ref. RIDs with the serial no.?
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 03:43 PM

My two HR20-700's have been very reliable, we utilize OTA on both and with rainy summer weather its a great option. I replaced the drive in one a year ago and the other is on its second replacement. I"ll keep them running until something major fails. Years ago I was cautioned about opening leased units, but now it looks like it no longer matters:)

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 06:37 PM

My two HR20-700's have been very reliable, we utilize OTA on both and with rainy summer weather its a great option.........


Ditto to that. My HR20 has been great until all this GUI nonsense, but it still works fine and other than a very occasional software burp, is solid as a rock. Had to replace the HD once in about 10 years. I have an H20 also, and other than not having record capability, I prefer it since it boots quick, has NO lag in menu selections or cursor movements, and has a GUI that you can actually see well. Only issue with it is cooling which an external manifold took care of nicely. Off air capability is definitely worth it for both these machines! Older is not necessarily a weakness.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 07:49 PM

My HR20 is still my best dvr....quicker than either of my HR22's....HR20's came out summer of 2006, so no one's is older than 6ish. Still all 3 of mine work pretty flawlessly.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 07:53 PM

Got my parents refurbed HR21-100 installed this afternoon, and turns out D* thought it was replacing an HR20, not another HR21. When they shut the HR20 off by mistake, and realized it was the HR21 being swapped, they said to hold on to it until a recovery kit arrives, so looks like its only the HR20's they are no longer wanting back

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 07:56 PM

So, DIRECTV® can't x-ref. RIDs with the serial no.?


Apparently not. I talked to Joe in the Access Card department, I seem to get him quite a bit for some reason, and he told me they could not use the serial number, I have no idea why.

Has anyone got any idea where the RID number is stored on the HRs?

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 08:33 PM

Feedback for what? Looks like he's disclosed absolutely everything. What could you go back to him on?

He even has a pic of the RID 0357 0637 3574

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 09:00 PM

20-700?

Are you sure the external device wasn't bad and not the HDD?

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Yes, my mistake, 20-700. Definitely the drive...tried it in another known working enclosure.

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 12:44 AM

Apparently not. I talked to Joe in the Access Card department, I seem to get him quite a bit for some reason, and he told me they could not use the serial number, I have no idea why.

Has anyone got any idea where the RID number is stored on the HRs?

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There's a sticker inside the access card door with the information. It should also be on the label for the receiver.

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 08:04 AM

Yes, my mistake, 20-700. Definitely the drive...tried it in another known working enclosure.


Always worth trying.

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 08:06 AM

There's a sticker inside the access card door with the information. It should also be on the label for the receiver.


That's not what I meant. The RID# must be on the HR somewhere, the flash drive?

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 09:52 AM

That's not what I meant. The RID# must be on the HR somewhere, the flash drive?

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... the flash drive?

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 10:07 AM

... the flash drive?


Not sure what the proper terminology is, but it's "flash" something. It's also where the OS resides.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 03:01 PM

Not sure what the proper terminology is, but it's "flash" something. It's also where the OS resides.

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flash memory maybe
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 08:32 AM

flash memory maybe


Maybe, I dunno.

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 11:04 AM

I don't think the DVRs have actual flash memory. They have EEPROMs that hold the OS kernel and boot code. I suspect the RID# is there, or in some other PROM on the main board.

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 12:57 PM

I don't think the DVRs have actual flash memory. They have EEPROMs that hold the OS kernel and boot code. I suspect the RID# is there, or in some other PROM on the main board.


Hear that whooshing sound? That was your post going right over my head... :lol:

I'm not up on that kind of terminology, could you explain it in simpler terms? I don't even know what a kernel is, much less an EEPROM... :nono2:

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 01:25 PM

Here is a previous Post by Doug Brott that talks about the Flash Memory.

"http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=2265179#post2265179"

Here is the part that talks about Flash Memory. "DIRECTV loads the firmware into a temporary flash memory location, then verifies the integrity of the firmware and then moves it to the default flash memory location and restarts the receiver. All of the "stuff" is in memory. All of the programming and internal log information is kept on disk, but it does not change during a restart or new download."
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 02:18 PM

Most people are familiar with RAM (Random Access Memory), which is read/write, and ROM (Read Only Memory), which is, well, read only. :) RAM is used for volatile storage, and ROM is sued for things you don't want the computer to ever forget, like how to read the boot sectors on a drive.

Strictly speaking, ROM chips are programmed at manufacture, and are unchangeable. To allow upgrades, EPROMS were invented, which could be erased and reprogrammed. But EPROMS needed to be exposed to a UV light to be erased - not too convenient for field updates. So, EEPROMS were developed, which can be erased by applying the right voltage to the right pins. ROMs, EPROMs and EEPROMs are all non-volatile - they require no power to retain their code.

Flash memory is a later form of EEPROM. In the industry, there is a convention to reserve the term EEPROM to byte-wise erasable memories compared to block-wise erasable flash memories. EEPROM takes more die area than flash memory for the same capacity because each cell usually needs both a read, write and erase transistor, while in flash memory the erase circuits are shared by large blocks of cells.

I suspect the DVRs use traditional EEPROMs because that is more common when executable code is being stored. But, in the end, it is a very technical distinction.

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 04:03 PM

My original HD receiver (HR20-100) is still going today,and is by far better than the POS HR22 I have in the bedroom. It gets a little cranky from time to time, but I am just praying it lasts until the 22's & 23's have also been flushed out of the system.
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 07:35 AM

Most people are familiar with RAM (Random Access Memory), which is read/write, and ROM (Read Only Memory), which is, well, read only. :) RAM is used for volatile storage, and ROM is sued for things you don't want the computer to ever forget, like how to read the boot sectors on a drive.

Strictly speaking, ROM chips are programmed at manufacture, and are unchangeable. To allow upgrades, EPROMS were invented, which could be erased and reprogrammed. But EPROMS needed to be exposed to a UV light to be erased - not too convenient for field updates. So, EEPROMS were developed, which can be erased by applying the right voltage to the right pins. ROMs, EPROMs and EEPROMs are all non-volatile - they require no power to retain their code.

Flash memory is a later form of EEPROM. In the industry, there is a convention to reserve the term EEPROM to byte-wise erasable memories compared to block-wise erasable flash memories. EEPROM takes more die area than flash memory for the same capacity because each cell usually needs both a read, write and erase transistor, while in flash memory the erase circuits are shared by large blocks of cells.

I suspect the DVRs use traditional EEPROMs because that is more common when executable code is being stored. But, in the end, it is a very technical distinction.


Thanx, I understood that. I think. :)

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 07:41 AM

My original HD receiver (HR20-100) is still going today,and is by far better than the POS HR22 I have in the bedroom. It gets a little cranky from time to time, but I am just praying it lasts until the 22's & 23's have also been flushed out of the system.


Interesting user name. I've felt like that since the advent of the 20-700s in 2006. In fact, I'm still amazed that some folks still have 20-100s that are running. I've never had one that worked.

It's gonna take a long time to get the 21 series out of the warehouses and into dumpsters (or wherever they go to die). I think.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 03:46 PM

My trusty old HR20-700's hard drive finally bit the dust. Was replaced under the protection plan, and as long as I was at it, I had them roll a truck and upgrade me to SWM, Whole Home, and Cinema Connection Kit. Best deal I could talk them into was no equipment charge for the upgrade, and paid only installation ($50-something). To get this deal I had to order the whole home upgrade including two HD receivers I didn't want, then just have the installers put the two receivers back in the truck. Strange way to do it, but what the heck.

As the replacement receiver I received a new HR24-500 (much better looking on the equipment shelves). Anyway, the reason for the post: The installers did take the old HR20-700 away with them.
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