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#41 OFFLINE   ARKDTVfan

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 06:05 AM

pay the refs!!!

this is pathetic and last night's MNF was a joke (yet no one's laughing) :nono2:

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 06:33 AM

pay the refs!!!

this is pathetic and last night's MNF was a joke (yet no one's laughing) :nono2:

The officiating on a national broadcast stage last night was exceptionally embarrassing, especially to the NFL I'm sure.

The number of reversed calls alone probably set a record for one game.

I'm sure the "rent-a-refs" are working hard and trying...but lack the experience and knowledge that the regular guys provide....and boy does it show.

As for the game - it was pretty sloppy in and of itself.

The fact that Atlanta didn't clean Denver's clock in the first half alone from those turnovers makes one a bit suspect of their actual strength. Yes, they won, but by a ridiculously small margin given the "handouts" of turnovers. I suspect we didn't see either team's true colors for the rest of this season.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:59 AM

I see two things in play here... neither of which are the replacement refs fault:

1. Most importantly, these guys (and the one gal) were literally brought in off the street and said "go ref the games" with not enough time to train and learn the NFL rules. For these refs, the pre-season was not nearly enough experience to get them ready for the regular season. Through no fault of their own, they are missing calls and being slow at getting others right.

2. A secondary thing, that reared its head clearly this weekend AND last night... The players and coaches know #1, and are trying to leverage that against these refs.

Coach Fox last night was going OFF railing at officials in the first half over a 12-men on defense call against Denver... and yet, the video clearly showed Denver did in fact have 12 men on the field... and worse, they did it again in the 2nd half BUT called a timeout before penalty that second time.

The points I'm making here are... The refs have their hands full... that's bad... but what's worse, to me, are the players and coaches trying to take advantage of the "substitute teachers" and be disrespectful in ways they wouldn't dream of with the regular refs.

It would make the job tremendously easier IF coaches and players would stay out of the NFL vs Ref strike AND would grant the replacement refs some manner of respect and not try to get away with stuff OR berate them until you get your way.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 02:26 PM

.....2. A secondary thing, that reared its head clearly this weekend AND last night... The players and coaches know #1, and are trying to leverage that against these refs.

Coach Fox last night was going OFF railing at officials in the first half over a 12-men on defense call against Denver... and yet, the video clearly showed Denver did in fact have 12 men on the field... and worse, they did it again in the 2nd half BUT called a timeout before penalty that second time.

The points I'm making here are... The refs have their hands full... that's bad... but what's worse, to me, are the players and coaches trying to take advantage of the "substitute teachers" and be disrespectful in ways they wouldn't dream of with the regular refs.

It would make the job tremendously easier IF coaches and players would stay out of the NFL vs Ref strike AND would grant the replacement refs some manner of respect and not try to get away with stuff OR berate them until you get your way.


I agree completely.

The NFL could curb some of this by sending 'warning' letters to offending coaches. Then hand out fines if the behavior continues. Wouldn't be the first time someone was fined after the fact.

I wonder if the players 'code of conduct' could fall under this as well.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 04:06 PM

I fell asleep during the game... seriously... so you'll have to help me out here.

IF you're referring to my earlier conversation on replay... Did they use replay to call a penalty?

IF so... then either they broke the rules to do so OR the rule has been changed since 2011. I couldn't find anything more current on the NFL Web site than 2011 for the rulebook... so I can't say if something has changed since then.


Yeah, sorry for the delay. They used replay, from a coach challenge, to show that Chicago didn't get a 12th man off the field before the snap.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 08:40 PM

Yeah, sorry for the delay. They used replay, from a coach challenge, to show that Chicago didn't get a 12th man off the field before the snap.


There may be some exceptions then... for something concrete like a 12th man penalty where they could just look and count.

Whereas a lot of the other types of penalties are judgment calls... so maybe they did tweak the rules to allow for some kinds of penalties, but still not most.

I wish I could have found a newer version of the rules AND that their rulebook was easier to find stuff inside!

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 05:05 AM

There may be some exceptions then... for something concrete like a 12th man penalty where they could just look and count.

Whereas a lot of the other types of penalties are judgment calls... so maybe they did tweak the rules to allow for some kinds of penalties, but still not most.

With multiple reversals, including one by an official of his own original call in the Atlanta/Denver game...the "judgment" skills in numerous cases seems to be that of a cantaloupe. The issues cited by reams of broadcasters and fans are often not "close calls". They are no-brainers in plenty of cases.

The players are complaining, the coaches are complaining, the fans are outraged, and the broadcasters reference it regularly in every NFL game.

It's an officiating circus right now - people simply have no way of knowing how game play will be judged. It also impacts the momentum and perhaps outcomes of some games. A travesty and nothing less.

The irony is how people frequently questioned the "real" officials in the past. In comparison, they look like geniuses.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 07:06 AM

I am finding this season....there are tooooo many interruption. & we are just 2 weeks old in this season.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:13 AM

For all the things I've pointed out bad about the replacement refs... I'm still sorry to remind people that in the past we have had MANY complaints about the "real" refs...

Remember years ago the Jets getting a touchdown that wasn't and ultimately that left Cleveland out of the playoffs on a tie-break and their coach was fired?

Remember Denver beating San Diego a few years ago when they got an extra set of downs on a penalty that didn't happen?

Remember the overtime coin toss that the ref got wrong and gave the other team the ball? The coin toss! Really?

So... let's not pretend the regular refs were infallible... and let's not pretend that we didn't have many Monday morning "how bad were those refs" rants and conversations.

Some are talking as if getting back the regular refs would mean 100% greatness and zero complaints. We know that simply isn't true.

I want this settled too... but I'm not going to feed myself the fantasy that these replacement refs are the ruination of the game yet.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 03:17 PM

These Thursday Night games are tough on us east coasters especially when there is work tomorrow.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 05:15 PM

These Thursday Night games are tough on us east coasters especially when there is work tomorrow.


I'm torn... as a fan, I like having another night of NFL football and a timeslot wherein I don't have to pick which game to miss (like on Sunday when I have to switch back and forth to see parts of simultaneous games).

But it also plays havoc with my other TV viewing, all the stuff I have to DVR to watch on Friday before being backlogged again over the weekend!

And yeah, if I had to get up early on a Friday... that would be tough to do when you already don't want to go in on Friday anyway.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:10 PM

I agree completely.

The NFL could curb some of this by sending 'warning' letters to offending coaches. Then hand out fines if the behavior continues. Wouldn't be the first time someone was fined after the fact.

I wonder if the players 'code of conduct' could fall under this as well.


Just saw a scroll on the bottom of the screen on ESPN that said the league has sent word to all of the coaches directing them to improve their behavior towards the replacement refs.

I can't excuse the mistakes... but you have to think the players take cues from seeing their head coach dismiss the replacement refs... so maybe IF the coaches start offering a little more respect the players will follow suit.

I saw a couple of instances in tonight's game of players fighting with opposing players and in the past I have to think regular refs would have had the courage to throw more flags and even eject some players.

I was saying to myself this weekend with some of the behavior, that I don't think it is going to stop until some players start getting ejected from games for fighting.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:20 PM

Having Saints players/coaches yelling "kill the head" and making it rain from the sidelines probably doesn't help! :)
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Posted 23 September 2012 - 03:03 PM

The replacement refs have got to go. Non calls and blows calls are getting rediculous. Blatantly obvious calls at that.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 05:15 AM

I've almost never complained about referees - but last night? Oh man.

No flags for the first 10 minutes regardless of the fact that PUNCHES were being thrown in the Patriots/Ravens game.

Then a non-call when a lineman landed on top of a sliding Brady. Ok, maybe that was a bit questionable to call or not call but to have an offensive pass interference call when there were clearly legs being tangled - and the receiver was the one going to the ground? I mean both players were going for the ball and the refs robbed a damn good reception!

Then calling a measurement on 4th down when the ball was over a yard short - THEN a challenge flag on the spotting of the ball???? What is this - PeeWee level?

I couldn't stay awake beyond that point as I have to get up early in the morning. But then I hear that the winning field goal may have actually been wide?

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 05:19 AM

I've almost never complained about referees - but last night? Oh man.

No flags for the first 10 minutes regardless of the fact that PUNCHES were being thrown in the Patriots/Ravens game.

Then a non-call when a lineman landed on top of a sliding Brady. Ok, maybe that was a bit questionable to call or not call but to have an offensive pass interference call when there were clearly legs being tangled - and the receiver was the one going to the ground? I mean both players were going for the ball and the refs robbed a damn good reception!

Then calling a measurement on 4th down when the ball was over a yard short - THEN a challenge flag on the spotting of the ball???? What is this - PeeWee level?

I couldn't stay awake beyond that point as I have to get up early in the morning. But then I hear that the winning field goal may have actually been wide?


I also heard I think it was 49ers got an extra challange

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 05:33 AM

I've almost never complained about referees - but last night? Oh man.

No flags for the first 10 minutes regardless of the fact that PUNCHES were being thrown in the Patriots/Ravens game.

Then a non-call when a lineman landed on top of a sliding Brady. Ok, maybe that was a bit questionable to call or not call but to have an offensive pass interference call when there were clearly legs being tangled - and the receiver was the one going to the ground? I mean both players were going for the ball and the refs robbed a damn good reception!

Then calling a measurement on 4th down when the ball was over a yard short - THEN a challenge flag on the spotting of the ball???? What is this - PeeWee level?

I couldn't stay awake beyond that point as I have to get up early in the morning. But then I hear that the winning field goal may have actually been wide?


The replacement refs are horrible. A virgin has more knowledge and experience with sex than they have with football. The coaches know this and are taking advantage of it. It's been a ugly season and will continue to get worse.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:33 PM

I'm glad I didnt pay big bucks to watch the NFL this year...Those refs totally suck. The game isnt even fun to watch anymore.

After the ridiculous ending of the Green Bay game, I totally refuse to watch another NFL game. They are totally and absolutely the worst group of officials and replay people I have ever seen in my life. They decide who wins and who loses. Doesnt matter how the game is played. Screw the NFL.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:54 PM

On one hand, it was an exciting game to watch.

On the other hand, the refs blew so many calls, including the final touchdown which was clearly an interception.

How could that ref signal touchdown when he was looking straight down at the GB player with the ball??

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:54 PM

Wow, just wow. :nono2:




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