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#101 OFFLINE   JACKIEGAGA

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 06:51 PM

I hope that Green Bay loss costs a playoff spot for one of these high profile owners.

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#102 OFFLINE   Carl Spock

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 06:57 PM

Vader, there is a great story about the baseball owners, who are similarly small minded men, only concerned that the commissioner keeps them rich, in the excellent book, The Lords of the Realm, by John Helyer. That book is about the baseball owners and the rise of the union, and because of that is a little dated, but is still a wonderful read. Find it at your library and enjoy. You'll learn tidbits like the reason Harry Carey was fired by the St. Louis Cardinals was because he was shtupping Auggie Busch's wife.

Anyway, when Ted Turner became owner of the Atlanta Braves, he was definitely the odd man out at the baseball meetings. He wasn't a rich patriarch like most of the other owners. He'd argue with them and lose most of the arguments. After one particularly frustrating meeting, Ted Turner stood up and bellowed at his fellow owners, "Gentlemen, we have the only legal monopoly in sports and we're f***ing it up!"

The football owners seem equally closed minded. With maybe one or two exceptions, the integrity of the games means a lot less to them than keeping their pocketbooks full. Keep the cash flowing and their luxury boxes comfortable and they'll be happy.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 07:20 PM

Im sure glad Xfinity added CSS-HD yesterday. Now I can watch all the SEC college replay games Sunday instead of the NFL crap. I'm done with the NFL until they get the rent a refs off the field. Although, it does make for an interesting comedy/reality show, if you are into that type programming.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 07:52 PM

This pretty much says everything. The Lingerie League issued a statement that several referees that are acting as NFL replacements were previously fired from the LFL for incompetence.

http://deadspin.com/...of-incompetence

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 07:59 PM

:D

I saw this today. Actually, I heard it first mentioned the past week on Dan Patrick's show on the 101. When he kept talking about the Lingerie League, I assumed it was a joking name for something like arena football. No, he was talking about the Lingerie League.

If I was an NFL player and risking my safety out on the field, I would be very concerned.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 07:59 PM

This pretty much says everything. The Lingerie League issued a statement that several referees that are acting as NFL replacements were previously fired from the LFL for incompetence.

http://deadspin.com/...of-incompetence


That might be excusable.:)

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 08:01 PM

I hope that Green Bay loss costs a playoff spot for one of these high profile owners.


The whole state of Wisconsin.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 08:19 PM

I hope that Green Bay loss costs a playoff spot for one of these high profile owners.

I'm a high profile owner with 4 Packer shares...does that count? :D

Actually, I'd prefer it cost the Commish HIS job.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 08:29 PM

I'm a high profile owner with 4 Packer shares...does that count? :D

Actually, I'd prefer it cost the Commish HIS job.


No way. Not until he makes those Saints suspensions stick anyway... :)
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 09:29 PM

I'm a high profile owner with 4 Packer shares...does that count? :D

Actually, I'd prefer it cost the Commish HIS job.


Problem, though... it isn't the "commish" at fault here. He's just delivering the line agreed upon by the NFL owners.

Goodell didn't decide to lockout the refs anymore than he decided to lockout the players. The owners did that... and had Goodell deliver the message.

IF Goodell takes the heat, that's fine because he gets $20 million a year to take the heat... but fired? No way... IF the league tried to dump this on Goodell, that would be worse than what they are doing here thinking we are all stupid and accepting the replacements... to try and make the public think Goodell is to blame would be the height of arrogance.

IF they fired him at the end of this... then the NFL will only prove just how disconnected their owners truly are from reality.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 02:39 AM

Problem, though... it isn't the "commish" at fault here. He's just delivering the line agreed upon by the NFL owners.

He's empowered to make decisions, especially the tough ones. Look at the fiasco with the whole bounty escapade...he was judge, jury, and executioner on that despite even court challenges to his authority.

Nothing prevents him from saying "you know what...the integrity of the game is in jeopardy by the incorrect results of the MNF situation, and since known rules were implemented wrong (with evidence) and it was applied by temp refs...I am reversing the outcome.

That's called leadership, and only his ego prevents him from doing it. Right now, he's part of the problem and none of the solution.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 07:08 AM

Problem, though... it isn't the "commish" at fault here. He's just delivering the line agreed upon by the NFL owners.

Goodell didn't decide to lockout the refs anymore than he decided to lockout the players. The owners did that... and had Goodell deliver the message.

IF Goodell takes the heat, that's fine because he gets $20 million a year to take the heat... but fired? No way... IF the league tried to dump this on Goodell, that would be worse than what they are doing here thinking we are all stupid and accepting the replacements... to try and make the public think Goodell is to blame would be the height of arrogance.

IF they fired him at the end of this... then the NFL will only prove just how disconnected their owners truly are from reality.


Which ticks me off even more about him. No integrity. He doesn't need this job. Tell the truth. Do the right thing. If he says they need the refs back and the owners fire him, he is a hero. But, no. He will continue for the money that he really doesn't need.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:09 AM

He's empowered to make decisions, especially the tough ones. Look at the fiasco with the whole bounty escapade...he was judge, jury, and executioner on that despite even court challenges to his authority.

Nothing prevents him from saying "you know what...the integrity of the game is in jeopardy by the incorrect results of the MNF situation, and since known rules were implemented wrong (with evidence) and it was applied by temp refs...I am reversing the outcome.

That's called leadership, and only his ego prevents him from doing it. Right now, he's part of the problem and none of the solution.


He can't reverse the outcome because it was a judgment call, and NFL rules do not permit the commissioner to overturn judgment calls.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:14 AM

He can't reverse the outcome because it was a judgment call, and NFL rules do not permit the commissioner to overturn judgment calls.

Actually he can.

In this case...with rent-a-refs at the wheel...he is empowered to determine that a rule was not followed and over-ride it. One such rule includes following procedures for instant replay, as well as referee consultations.

It comes down to: If he wanted to....he could.

What's clear is he has neither the intent or leadership skills to do anything and take the easy way out.

For a guy who promotes himself as being intensely interested in "the integrity of the game", he's a major league wuss in this case.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:16 AM

He cannot determine a rule was not followed in this situation. It was a judgment call, good or bad. Consequently, per the NFL rules, it cannot be overturned. Nor should it be in this situation. Two wrongs don't make a right.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:17 AM

He cannot determine a rule was not followed in this situation. It was a judgment call, good or bad. Consequently, per the NFL rules, it cannot be overturned. Nor should it be in this situation. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:19 AM

It's not a question of agreeing or disagreeing; it's a question of what can or can't be done per the rules. I don't like the situation any more than you do, but the commissioner can't do as he pleases when specifically not permitted to do something like change a judgment call. That would make things worse.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:20 AM

Whether he can or not, the commissioner shouldn't overturn the decision.

That would keep us all just living in the past. Instead, the Packers have to get ready for the Saints this Sunday and Goodell has to settle this damn lockout.

It's over. It's done. It's time to play NFL football with the regular refs. The parties should focus on that.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:26 AM

It's over. It's done. It's time to play NFL football with the regular refs. The parties should focus on that.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:48 AM

Finally! The NFL and the Officials have reached an agreement "in principle."

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 11:03 AM

Shouldn't that be "without principles"? I bet we'll find the NFL caved to get these guys back on the field. The lockout had become an embarassment for the league.

In any case, I'm glad it's over.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 11:22 AM

Indeed.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 12:55 PM

Just to bottom line my earlier point...

Anything you think Goodell is doing on his own (Bounty thing, refs, issuing fines, etc.) you can be assured he is NOT acting on his own.

The owners hired him to do a job... they gave him some leeway in that job probably... but he also knows IF he does something that most of the owners do not like, it will be his head on the platter.

So... any time you see Goodell "acting alone" and being "judge, jury, etc." you should know that he isn't acting alone... and that the majority of the owners back the decision... or he wouldn't be taking those actions.

So, yes... he could step out and say "this isn't good for the game" and it wouldn't make a difference, because he would be fired on the spot for insubordination and replaced and the league would keep doing what it is doing.

I'm not saying he is a great and wonderful and principled man... I'm just saying he isn't alone in a vacuum. Ever word he utters has the backing of most of the owners. If he didn't, you would know it.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:18 PM

I don't know if Goodell be fired on the spot. That's a bit dramatic. But leadership in that office on a controversial issue.

Pete Rozelle is one model. He pushed the owners to accept revenue sharing and merger of the AFL and NFL into one league. He wasn't anybody's lap dog. Under his leadership, the NFL even sued one of the owners, Al Davis, to keep his team from moving from Oakland to Los Angeles. Rozelle made the NFL into the juggernaut it is today. When he took over the job as commissioner, the NFL was a third class league, behind both baseball and the NBA. Under his leadership, it became the most popular sport in America.

The one thing Rozelle was always conscious of was making sure the owners made money. He made them a ton of money and got their support because of that.

The other extreme is Fay Vincent. As baseball commissioner, he rubbed the owners the wrong way, so much that he was fired after three years. The owners then hired one of their own, Bud Selig, to take his job. Selig has served the owner's interests for two decades now.

Fay Vincent's biggest failure was money. Although he was personally popular with the fans, Vincent screwed up the television contract. He cost the owners money and lost his job.

See a trend here?

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 05:48 PM

I went to read a story on ESPN.COM about the negotiations, and got this:

The following content is exclusive to ESPN Insiders


Not enough that I already pay two providers for their content, but now they want me to pay $3.33 per month to read their website? ESPN...you can KMA just like the NFL. Greed is going to be the downfall of this country.

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