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#1 OFFLINE   Laxguy

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 09:29 AM

Built-In Upscaler for Playing HD Video
The AVR-1913 is equipped with a video upscaler that converts standard-definition analog video into high-definition 1080p signals. As a result, you can enjoy standard-definition video sources in the detailed quality of high-definition.


Wow! Who knew! A true miracle in video engineering! Soon I will be able to blow up my cell phone images to rival that of high end Canon and Nikon DSLRs.

On a more serious plane, I am thinking of getting a Denon, and Link to sales blurb gives specifics of a 7.1 model, refurbished, that seems much more current than the 5.1 model, linked on the left side of that page.

I really don't need or want 7.1; 5.1 is more than enough for my needs.

Any thoughts on the relative merits of these two?
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 10:34 AM

FYI, the AVR 1913 has been on sale on and off at Frys for 299.99. You just missed their labor day sale, but I seem to catch it for that price every few weeks or so.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 10:46 AM

I just noticed this on the web site. I was surfing it to see the other models that they had.

Not In Stock - Order now and we'll deliver when available. Please call us for an estimated arrival date.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 10:50 AM

I just noticed this on the web site. I was surfing it to see the other models that they had.

Not In Stock - Order now and we'll deliver when available. Please call us for an estimated arrival date.


For which model are you looking?
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 10:57 AM

Denon 1913.
They only show 4 of the 13 Denon receiver model numbers to be in stock.
Link: http://www.macmall.c...=YBGA&man=Denon

Edited by jimmie57, 07 September 2012 - 11:16 AM.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 10:59 AM

Would you consider discontinued (by Fry's) Onkyo model TX-NR616 what is 7.2 and upscaling to 4K (!) THX for $329 ?
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:52 AM

Laxguy, for reference, Fry's had the AVR 1913 for 299.99 on 9/3 and 327.00 on 8/25. You can get a new one for less.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:29 PM

Thanks, gentlemen!

I am really looking for insights on the 5.1 unit vs. the 7.1 unit, not really sales prices! As mentioned, I'd prefer 5 speakers, but the 7.1 has many more (stated) features. Can a 7.1 be easily set up for just 5 speakers?
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:33 PM

It's just as easy to set up a 7.1 receiver to do 5.1, as it is to set up a 5.1 receiver to do 5.1.

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:37 PM

Good to know; thank you.

Do they tend to auto detect and send the signals for the two "missing" speakers to the existing five? Or is there a menu setting telling it to send to five and not seven?
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:47 PM

You will guide the AVR's FW about speaker's positions, etc - don't worry it is friendly system.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 05:54 PM

My son's Yamaha receiver is a 7.1 and he has it set up for 6.1 without any problems.
It is just a matter of the setup and telling the unit how many speakers you have and what size each of them is.

Edit: Originally said 5.1. My son tells me he added another speaker, so it is now 6.1.

Edited by jimmie57, 08 September 2012 - 07:31 AM.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 05:57 PM

Cool. thank you, gentlemen.

Now, some opinions on the two sets?
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 06:11 PM

Which 5.1 are you looking at?

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 09:11 PM

The 1319 is an odd receiver because it's at a price point of receivers with more features but not quite as high. I'm personally an Onkyo guy and I would go with http://www.amazon.co...s=onkyo txnr609 for the same price range. Overall it's a better receiver. I'd stay away from that specific site as they only warranty it for 90 days so unless you have another type of product protection you could have some issues.

The 616 is the 2012 model however Onkyo changes some chips inside and apparently this hasn't been a good year with bugs for them. You can read about them and they have pushed out many firmware updates but it appears there still may be some lingering problems.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 06:37 AM

Wow! Who knew! A true miracle in video engineering! Soon I will be able to blow up my cell phone images to rival that of high end Canon and Nikon DSLRs.

On a more serious plane, I am thinking of getting a Denon, and Link to sales blurb gives specifics of a 7.1 model, refurbished, that seems much more current than the 5.1 model, linked on the left side of that page.

I really don't need or want 7.1; 5.1 is more than enough for my needs.

Any thoughts on the relative merits of these two?


Shop around. Video upscaling is available on many A/V receivers.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 06:49 AM

Laxguy, I sold Denon for years. It is fine product, warmer sounding than most. I'd have no problem with the receiver you are looking at.

I also sold a lot of B-stock product, getting buy-ins from Polk Audio, Rockford Fosgate and others. B-stock is OK but I don't like this supplier's way of handling warranty. That was the first thing I looked at on the webpage. You have to buy a warranty and a two year warranty, which is Denon's manufacturer's warranty on A stock pieces, would cost you $76.99. So this piece is only about $100 less than an equivalent sealed in the box A-stock unit. For $100, I'd buy the A-stock piece.

It's not a great deal.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:38 AM

Thanks, gentlemen!

I am really looking for insights on the 5.1 unit vs. the 7.1 unit, not really sales prices! As mentioned, I'd prefer 5 speakers, but the 7.1 has many more (stated) features. Can a 7.1 be easily set up for just 5 speakers?


That's how I set up my receivers. I tried 7.1 a few years ago and didn't see that much difference. I like the 5.1 sound. All my AV sets are capable of 7.1 sound.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:46 AM

Laxguy, I sold Denon for years. It is fine product, warmer sounding than most. I'd have no problem with the receiver you are looking at.

I also sold a lot of B-stock product, getting buy-ins from Polk Audio, Rockford Fosgate and others. B-stock is OK but I don't like this supplier's way of handling warranty. That was the first thing I looked at on the webpage. You have to buy a warranty and a two year warranty, which is Denon's manufacturer's warranty on A stock pieces, would cost you $76.99. So this piece is only about $100 less than an equivalent sealed in the box A-stock unit. For $100, I'd buy the A-stock piece.

It's not a great deal.


A 2 year warranty, huh? Buy it with an Amex card and you'll have a four year warranty on it. Gotta admit I've never had an AV set fail, but I usually buy a new one every year or so and give the oldest set away. As far as I know, all the old sets I gave away are still working.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:58 AM

I was trying to compare a Denon AVR-1612 5.1 with the Denon AVR-1913 7.1.

What sucked me in was a ca. $150 ad promo, then of course starting thinking that for just a "few" bucks more I could get this and that, pretty soon I am up over $300.

Lots of good info all around; thanks, gents.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:00 PM

Shop around. Video upscaling is available on many A/V receivers.


Thanks, but I do not need upscaling. I posted that as it's an outrageous bit of copy. I wonder how many believe it!? Surely no one here.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:04 PM

Laxguy, for reference, Fry's had the AVR 1913 for 299.99 on 9/3 and 327.00 on 8/25. You can get a new one for less.


Thanks. I rather like Fry's, and it make me feel I am shopping locally.

The ads makes me wonder what might be the source for a bunch of refurbished units? How do they get a lot of them into stock?
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:29 PM

Laxguy, for reference, Fry's had the AVR 1913 for 299.99 on 9/3 and 327.00 on 8/25. You can get a new one for less.


And the 1612 was $199 during those sales.

Someone at slickdeals stated that they got the 1913 yesterday at Fry's for $299.99.


My recommendation for a receiver is that in the sub $500 price point they're all pretty equal. I would just set up an alert at slickdeals for Denon, Onkyo, Pioneer and be ready to jump on a deal when it happens.

Incidentally, newegg currently has the Pioneer VSX-1022 for $280 with free shipping.

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 02:11 PM

A 2 year warranty, huh? Buy it with an Amex card and you'll have a four year warranty on it. Gotta admit I've never had an AV set fail, but I usually buy a new one every year or so and give the oldest set away. As far as I know, all the old sets I gave away are still working.

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Great! Can I put my name on the list for your next give away? ;)

And on the AMEX card, I believe you would end up with a 3 year warranty for that unit. I buy all my warrantied items with one of my AMEX cards and it double the manufacturers warranty up to a year. Then any longer warranties, it only adds 1 additional year [link].
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:43 AM

Laxguy, for reference, Fry's had the AVR 1913 for 299.99 on 9/3 and 327.00 on 8/25. You can get a new one for less.


Thanks. I rather like Fry's, and it make me feel I am shopping locally.

Just buy this, Laxguy. Fry's is a great store. That 2-year manufacturer's warranty I mentioned before is probably only at brick and mortar shops like Fry's. Yamaha goes down to a one year warranty on their Internet product. I wouldn't be surprised if Denon does the same.

The ads makes me wonder what might be the source for a bunch of refurbished units? How do they get a lot of them into stock?

It's usually a lot more benign than it may seem.

Yes, they could have a problem with this receiver and a bunch were returned to Denon defective. But that's really rare. Don't get me wrong. It's not rare for a model to have a problem. It's rare the company will take them back. Maybe 20 years ago, there was a line of Denon receivers with bad transformers. The company didn't exchange receivers. They just had service centers put in new transformers.

These were most likely returned to Denon because the dealer couldn't pay his bills. They are repo units. When the website talks about new in the box, they mean it. Many would be stock for the store. But others would be demos and since both the dealer and the receiver's history are shady, it's best to sell the whole lot as B-stock.
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