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#26 OFFLINE   Mariah2014

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:27 AM

Between that and their price. It makes it awful temping with a dish network satellite on my roof too.

The way I read this: pressure was on pac-12 before. With the agreement with dish, pressure now on Directv. Dish scored a away victory, if you will, taking into account that pac-12 is available on Dish on Directv's home base.



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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:27 AM

Has anyone really analyzed what not having the block means in missed games for those who live in major DMA's on the West Coast?

I like the Pac 10—er whatever, but don't need or want to see every game of any particular school.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:28 AM

Also directv has a page dedicated to this issue.
http://support.direc...etail/a_id/3912


You can tell that Direct is not telling the full story when they say Pac12 is forcing all customers to have it. Look at the deal struck with Dish:
"Pac-12 Networks is available to all DISH customers as a free preview for a limited time. It is included in America’s Top 120+ package and above for customers in Pac-12 territory (which includes the six states with Pac-12 schools) and available nationwide in the Multi-Sport Pack for $9 per month."
There are lower tier packages than top 120 plus those outside the 6 states won't even get it without paying extra on the sports package.
I think Directv is pulling our chains on this one. I've taken Directv's side many times but not on this one.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:32 AM

Based on the deal dish got, I agree. which is why I'm making a call to the local Satellite installing company today about dish network.

You can tell that Direct is not telling the full story when they say Pac12 is forcing all customers to have it. Look at the deal struck with Dish:
"Pac-12 Networks is available to all DISH customers as a free preview for a limited time. It is included in America’s Top 120+ package and above for customers in Pac-12 territory (which includes the six states with Pac-12 schools) and available nationwide in the Multi-Sport Pack for $9 per month."
There are lower tier packages than top 120 plus those outside the 6 states won't even get it without paying extra on the sports package.
I think Directv is pulling our chains on this one. I've taken Directv's side many times but not on this one.



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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:36 AM

Based on the deal dish got, I agree. which is why I'm making a call to the local Satellite installing company today about dish network.


And it will be interesting to see how many people defect because of this in the quarterly report. I think Direct will take a hit especially if they dont get a deal by September 22nd.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:38 AM

You can tell that Direct is not telling the full story when they say Pac12 is forcing all customers to have it. Look at the deal struck with Dish:
"Pac-12 Networks is available to all DISH customers as a free preview for a limited time. It is included in America’s Top 120+ package and above for customers in Pac-12 territory (which includes the six states with Pac-12 schools) and available nationwide in the Multi-Sport Pack for $9 per month."
There are lower tier packages than top 120 plus those outside the 6 states won't even get it without paying extra on the sports package.
I think Directv is pulling our chains on this one. I've taken Directv's side many times but not on this one.


Or things are changing and this is a sign. PAC 12 was also pretty insistent on 7 channels. That appears to have changed as well.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:38 AM

And it will be interesting to see how many people defect because of this in the quarterly report. I think Direct will take a hit especially if they dont get a deal by September 22nd.


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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:39 AM

Based on the deal dish got, I agree. which is why I'm making a call to the local Satellite installing company today about dish network.


And it will be interesting to see how many people defect because of this in the quarterly report. I think Direct will take a hit especially if they dont get a deal by September 22nd.

And Mike White has been quoted saying he wants to "retain current customers" well lets hope he steps up to the plate now and gets a deal done "soon".

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:40 AM

yep. They will probably start to take a good hit early this week. Not to mention the people already heading back to Comcast and Time warner.

And it will be interesting to see how many people defect because of this in the quarterly report. I think Direct will take a hit especially if they dont get a deal by September 22nd.



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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:40 AM

Perhaps I'm missing something here, because as my avatar suggest I only follow USC (and only the football team at that). But internet streaming aside, how much more can adding only one national Pac 12 channel (which may be only in SD) contribute beyond what the main networks ESPN, ABC, and Fox provide?

To me to moan that "Dish now has the Pac 12 network" is an overreaction and is more in name than anything else without carrying any of the regional channels.

I think its more fitting to say that Dish today "barely" has the "Pac 12 network," which granted is technically more than DIRECTV has at the moment. But I certainly wouldn't say its anything to boast about with only one channel of it.


In few weeks your beloved SC will be on Pac12. The 1st two weeks the games were all over, but after that the best games will be alternating between ABC/ESPN, Fox/FX, and Pac12. The overflow channels are important before conference games begin and again during basketball season.

*the "rumored Pac12 Fox games" that were posted last week was not true as verified by Pac12

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:40 AM

And it will be interesting to see how many people defect because of this in the quarterly report. I think Direct will take a hit especially if they dont get a deal by September 22nd.


Why September 22nd?
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:44 AM

You can tell that Direct is not telling the full story when they say Pac12 is forcing all customers to have it.

The deal offered by Pac12 to DirecTV does not have to be the same as the deal offered by Pac12 to DISH. As noted above, BTN has different carriage on the two satellite providers. Pac12 may be pushing for placement in Choice nationwide. Pac12 may have requested "all subscribers" without understanding that DirecTV now has the "Entertainment" level subscriptions without RSNs.

One thing for sure ... if Pac12's offer included stadium advertising DirecTV has lost that opportunity - which may change the complexion of the negotiation.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:45 AM

Conference play starts.

Why September 22nd?



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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:49 AM

Wouldn't it be something if Dish got the new TWC RSN in addition to Pac 12 but D* doesn't?

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:53 AM

The deal offered by Pac12 to DirecTV does not have to be the same as the deal offered by Pac12 to DISH. As noted above, BTN has different carriage on the two satellite providers. Pac12 may be pushing for placement in Choice nationwide. Pac12 may have requested "all subscribers" without understanding that DirecTV now has the "Entertainment" level subscriptions without RSNs.

One thing for sure ... if Pac12's offer included stadium advertising DirecTV has lost that opportunity - which may change the complexion of the negotiation.


True we don't know the exact details but I would be surprised if it wasn't comparable to the same deal offered to Dish and even cable companies who aren't being forced to carry nation wide outside pac12 states.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:58 AM

True we don't know the exact details but I would be surprised if it wasn't comparable to the same deal offered to Dish and even cable companies who aren't being forced to carry nation wide outside pac12 states.


I actually think not. At least not initially. Mike White didn't make his no 7 channels statement to hear himself talk.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:59 AM

True we don't know the exact details but I would be surprised if it wasn't comparable to the same deal offered to Dish and even cable companies who aren't being forced to carry nation wide outside pac12 states.


I bet it's a lot different because of the advertising clause involved. That's likely playing a big monetary role.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:00 AM

I bet it's a lot different because of the advertising clause involved. That's likely playing a big monetary role.


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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:03 AM

Also directv has a page dedicated to this issue.
http://support.direc...etail/a_id/3912


That page is full of half-truths and totally misses the point of having the Pac-12 network for fans of the individual schools who demand to see ALL games for their team. They are not going to convince us that the Pac-12 network doesn't carry games of national importance.

That being said, it sounds like Larry Scott, the Pac-12 head, gave Dish a better deal.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:05 AM

From D*:. But, as it stands now, the price is much too high to accept their demand that we make it available to all customers, some of whom will have to take on this unnecessary cost for a channel they don’t want.

That statement doesn't wash.
How many of the hundreds of channels carried by D* that we all pay for but don't want and never watch?

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:10 AM

Too many to count. To give an idea of some, how about those Viacom channels I don't need or want but have to pay for.

From D*:. But, as it stands now, the price is much too high to accept their demand that we make it available to all customers, some of whom will have to take on this unnecessary cost for a channel they don’t want.

That statement doesn't wash.
How many of the hundreds of channels carried by D* that we all pay for but don't want and never watch?



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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:10 AM

I bet it's a lot different because of the advertising clause involved. That's likely playing a big monetary role.

I wonder who came up with that idea? I bet Dish went to the Pac 12 with it. I bet they did the same thing when the Versus dispute was going on with D*.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:11 AM

Too many to count. To give an idea of some, how about those Viacom channels I don't need or want but have to pay for.


Yeah. Compare channels that cost less than 10 cents to one that may want over an dollar.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:13 AM

And it will be interesting to see how many people defect because of this in the quarterly report. I think Direct will take a hit especially if they dont get a deal by September 22nd.


No way. It won't register as even a blip on subscriptions, less than that on financials. -Not that anyone here will have a definitive way to judge what causes subs to rise or fall, i.a.e.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:17 AM

However, those viacom channels add up to more than a dollar when added up together.

Yeah. Compare channels that cost less than 10 cents to one that may want over an dollar.






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